I Was A Professional 9/11 Truther (And I Gave It Up)

a reply to: projectvxn

In analyzing any story, the last step is to determine if that story is true or false, and realizing that it can be only one or the other, because of any part of a claim is false, the entire claim is. If any part of a story is false, the story must be false.

I finished my analysis by about 2007, though I occasionally learn new things related, even all these years later. By 2007 I had concluded that the official story about 911, Newtown, Murrah, TWA800 and all the rest are pretty much bull#, just like Gulf of Tonkin.

Invoking science to support the official story is a big mistake. Science tends to contradict the official story.

a reply to: Salander

Yeah, there's a reason for it. It's called scientific fraud.

That does not make 9/11 conspiracies true.

a reply to: Salander

just like Gulf of Tonkin.

What was that...??

The first incident on August 2 1964, destroyer USS MADDOX (DD 731) was attacked by 3 North Vietnamese P4 torpedo
boats which launched torpedoes (all of which missed) and exchanged gunfire with the ship. 2 F8 "Crusader" jet fighters
armed with rockets strafed the boats, which returned fire damaging one of the aircraft. MADDOX was hit by one machine gun bullet. All 3 of the torpedo boats was damaged, 4 NVN were KIA, 6 WIA.

Now 2 days later on August 4 was more problematic - Jittery US sailors thought saw NV torpedo boats on radar and
heard them them on hydrophones triggering a "phantom battle" by US navy ships in area.

NV boats were actually out that night salvaging the damaged boats ......

a reply to: projectvxn

Very true.

But what scientific fraud DOES is render the official conspiracy theory, the official story, false.

The official theory is false when analyzing the facts, and that is really all that matters in my opinion. I am not sure exactly what happened, but it is painfully obvious that nearly all elements of the official story could not possibly have happened.

a reply to: firerescue

LOL, are you next going to tell me that the Israeli air force thought the USS Liberty was an Egyptian vessel?

I'm not arguing the tiny details of the Gulf Of Tonkin incident, no. What is relevant is how the incident was used to greatly expand the war in Vietnam. It is useful to observe a pattern of deception by the US Government, as revealed in the Pentagon Papers and many other events as propaganda tools.

a reply to: Salander

LOL, are you next going to tell me that the Israeli air force thought the USS Liberty was an Egyptian vessel?

So why did the Israeli air force use rockets, 30 mm cannon, and napalm against a ship ...??

These are weapons suited to attack land targets not ships.

While destructive and causing number of casualties would not sink the ship

Or course the follow up torpedo attack almost did .......

Israeli called it off once saw ship was American

If not for bunch of communications and other screw ups possibility would have been combat between Israeli and
A/c from US 6th fleet..

I used to believe in the Official 911 Story and I never questioned it.

Can you believe that?

Yes sir, back in 2002 I was a blind sheep who followed CNN religiously, and all other News Outlets.

I never question anything specially 911. Why would I? I had always believe in those days that our government always had our best interest.

I read some reports after 2002 claims, that 911 was an inside Job. All I could do is laugh, I thought people like this who could make such a statement were mentally ill. I honestly did.

I guess it was around 2004 that one of my dear old friend told me that I should go to Block Busters and rent a documentary called Fahrenheit 9/11. I asked my fried why should I, am not a Michael Moor supporter.

Against my Irish stubbornness I did.

I truly wished I had never seen that documentary.

Although Micheal Moor doesn't prove there is something wrong with the Official Story of 911, Mr Moor did ask the right questions.

After watching how the politicians in Washington treated Moor and slamming doors in his face, I felt he might just be on to something here.

Because of Michael Moors film, it later ended up changing my world views on everything and politics.

I decided to first explore what facts where credible in the Official Story of 911.

To my shock and dismay I couldn't prove much because a lot of the information was coming from US authorities, and mainstream media, it was only hearsay information, based on no credible sources or facts.

For the first time in my life I now questioned my government, where they capable of pulling off such a stunt?

I spent 12 years researching all the 911 events, I have been down all the 911 Rabbit Holes.

After reading the 911 Commission Report, I notice many things wrong with it. First thing I realized is, the 911 Commission Report exonerate all government official of any wrong doings during all the events.

That is when I resized the 911 Commission Report was a complete white wash.

Later I read from Thomas, & Ken two of the 911 Commissionaires made some public statements claiming the facts they were set up to fail from the beginning, also stating the fact, their investigation were all stonewalled from the beginning. They even told the truth ,that the story they gave us, was not the story told to them.

In fact the 911 Commissioners tried to get the Justice Department to look into criminal behaviors of the Pentagon, FAA, and the White House because all these agencies where caught outright lying. However we all learned later that the Justice Department was corrupt and only protected the government.

It's been 12 years since I have turned on the News in my house.

My only rule in my house is: You can make yourself at home and turn on TV if you like, however you will not be allowed to watch any Lame stream properganda News in my home.

I can say this with absolute confidence, I am properganda free.

a reply to: Informer1958

I can say this with absolute confidence, I am properganda free.

I disagree
I've seen some of your sources.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: dashen

See this is the point i am making.

WTC7 took about 13 seconds to collapse fully, for it to have been falling at free fall it would have taken about 6 seconds so your claim that the building fell at free fall its untrue is it not.

PS: Sources all in this thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You are making stuff up with that claim. Here's 14 minutes of every angle of the collapse. Even if you count the unit on the top of the building as the start time you are well short of 13 seconds.

a reply to: Vector99

The penthouse collapsing, was the first outward sign that anyone on the North side could see. The collapse, started several seconds before the penthouse dropped and signifies that the south face of the building was collapsing. And looking at the seismograph readings, it indicates that the collapse was 18 or more seconds from start to finish. The dramatic drop you see, is actually the final part of an action that started much earlier.

a reply to: Phage

I disagree
I've seen some of your sources.

The fact is, I have been very cordial towards you.


I seen your comments to, did anyone ever teach you any manners?

a reply to: Informer1958

My experience was similar to yours, but it was not Moore's movie that changed things, it was the knowledge about Building 7 that changed me. For several years I had no idea that building 7 had collapsed.

If a person takes the time to inform himself of all the details, every one I've been involved with comes to the same conclusion--the official story is impossible and the cover-up by the government is blatant.

a reply to: Salander

If a person takes the time to inform himself of all the details, every one I've been involved with comes to the same conclusion--the official story is impossible and the cover-up by the government is blatant.

I agree.

Most people I have met in person, and I met many people since 911, also believe the truth has never been told.

Most of the people I talked to about 911 have all agreed, the government has covered up the real crime, and that alone speaks volumes that the government played a major role in 911.

We all know the evidence supports a major cover up, all the way to the White house.

Ridiculing and insults are the only way to support the Official narratives, because the real fact is, there is very little evidence to support it.

Soon it will be 15 years since this all happened conspiracy or not, if Trump is elected he has already said he will release more information on 9/11. If he learns it was a false flag in any way shape or form this will all be coming back. Clinton will keep this as the status quo. In my opinion this election is the most important event in either moving the truth of 9/11 what ever it is back or forward. It will be interesting to see what Trump says about 9/11 on the 15th anniversary when the general election is fully underway.
Just remember the attack was on "his" city, it's very personal for him.

a reply to: Salander

So your memory failed you in the years since then right? Since WTC 7's collapse was covered at the time it happened and then shown numerous times in the days after.....

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

No, my memory did not fail, I was simply ignorant of the collapse of 7. It did not happen until late that afternoon, and after the towers had come down, I did not watch TV for days.

a reply to: Salander


So because you failed to pay attention at the time, your "discovery" that a third building fell years later fueled your belief in 9/11 conspiracies? Interesting....

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

No, once I became aware of how ignorant I had been I began to study and inform myself. Acquiring knowledge leads to truth and can be empowering.

a reply to: Salander

Then you studied the wrong things. Especially about WTC 7.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Salander

Then you studied the wrong things. Especially about WTC 7.

Like how NIST had to fudge everything to get their computer model to collapse sort of like a controlled demolition. And they admitted it could never happen in reality.