I Was A Professional 9/11 Truther (And I Gave It Up)

If anything, most of the conspiracy theories put forth seem as distraction, and they do not add up.

Do you have any evidence that you were actually a "truther" before?

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: Phage
A professional Truther?
Who signs their checks?

Who knows. Conspiracy theories are great for certain businesses.

This is a bit lazy. Who knows? If you make accusations you should have better evidence that who knows.

Any by the way, every military active duty member will vehemently disagree with anything other than the official story .

a reply to: v1rtu0s0
First of all that was tongue in cheek. So take it down a notch.

Second:

Any by the way, every military active duty member will vehemently disagree with anything other than the official story .

Where's your evidence?

I've known a few that don't believe the official reports.

I also don't believe there's not culpability for the government in the attacks. I just don't think the level of conspiracy is what 9/11 truthers think it is.

The 9/11 truth movement is no different than Sandy Hook denialism or in the context of this discussion, scientific denialism.

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: monkeyluv

Not true. (Apart from the bit about an inadequate investigation.)

The majority of the physical evidence is in the Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island, awaiting examination.

The average particle size indicates extraordinary demolition.

We only have assertions that the majority of the steel was shipped abroad. No major evidence of that as far as I'm aware.

The steel that disappeared must be in the cloud of dust, which was big enough to be seen with the naked eye from the space station.

How the steel became dust is a bit of a mystery to me.

How the concrete etc.became dust is described here. www.abovetopsecret.com...

The FEMA report shows that only around 200 pieces were documented and examined. Most of the steel debris was sold as scrap.

a reply to: monkeyluv

Not true

Some was sold as scrap - pieces from the impact zones were saved for examination

photoblog.nbcnews.com...

newyork.cbslocal.com...

Lot of the remaining pieces were saved for memorials and museums

a reply to: monkeyluv

The FEMA report shows that only around 200 pieces were documented and examined. Most of the steel debris was sold as scrap.

Did you expect them to save more ??
Other than the impact zones why save any at all ?

a reply to: projectvxn

I also don't believe there's not culpability for the government in the attacks. I just don't think the level of conspiracy is what 9/11 truthers think it is.

I disagree.


WHY AMERICANS REFUSE TO BELIEVE
THE 9/11 EVIDENCE!!!

The attacks of 9/11 were so unthinkable that most Americans would refuse to believe the complicity of their own government, even if presented with a mountain of evidence.

Very simply, it is possible to escape blame if you do something that nobody in the world believes you could do.

When I was 11 years old I sat next to my friend and fellow class clown Jeffery, quietly thinking of ways to torture the unsuspecting substitute teacher. Jeffery and I were competing comedians, always trying to "get over" on each other in school. Jeffery was good and there were no limits to what he would do.

On this particular day we sat next to each other, sharing one of the double desks with which Brooklyn school children of the 70’s were so familiar. As our unsuspecting substitute turned his back to write something on the black board, Jeffery raised his arm and launched all his own books across the room in the direction opposite from where I was seated, immediately turning towards me with a look of horror and shock plastered on his face. The teacher, alarmed by the noise of the book launching, spun around only to see Jeffery's books scattered around the room. His loose leaf binder had opened up and produced an explosion of confetti in the form of notes and homework sheets.

A quick glance our way by the teacher brought into view a shocked Jeffery, who appeared to be the victim, sitting right next to me and staring at me with an expression of, "What the hell did you just do?" splashed on his face. I sat there, speechless, as the person on the right side of Jeffery's books prior to their launch to the left. I had nothing to say because the truth was simply not believable and no convincing lie presented itself.

Anyone witnessing this scene from the teacher’s vantage point could only come to one conclusion, Jesse did it. Even if I tried to explain that Jeffery launched the books, who would believe me? After all, who would have done this to his own property? Jeffery would have to spend the next hour or so reassembling his loose leaf binder. There is no way he would have done this to himself. No way, except for one thing...he did do this to himself, his motive...comedy. I was the patsy for two good reasons. First, I was sitting right there when it happened’ and second - I had a history of being a clown. I understood why people thought I was guilty and let me be the first to commend Jeffery for executing the perfect crime. He did the unthinkable and set up a patsy with his convincing claim of innocence.

In this sad, but true story, I was kicked out of the class by our substitute teacher. I was only 11 years old but I knew enough to understand that there was no way in hell that anyone would believe me if I told the truth and said that Jeffery was guilty of tossing his books . And so, having no proof that I was blameless, I swallowed my defeat and walked out of the room wondering what form my revenge against Jeffery would take.

The point to be made is this: sometimes, the more outrageous an action, the easier it is to get away with. Sometimes, there is no way that people can connect the criminal with the crime: the very idea of guilt is so far out of the norm as to be unthinkable.

Very simply, it is possible to escape blame if you do something that nobody in the world believes you could do. If the deed is egregious enough, even if some proof of your culpability surfaces, you’ll be on safe ground. If people cannot imagine your involvement in an unthinkable action, they will simply not believe you could possible be complicit in its commission. Think about it.

www.tvnewslies.org...

I to have been in the same situation in my past and was set up as the pasty.

Beliefs and facts are not the same. Trust no one.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: monkeyluv

The FEMA report shows that only around 200 pieces were documented and examined. Most of the steel debris was sold as scrap.

Did you expect them to save more ??
Other than the impact zones why save any at all ?

Because that's what investigators do in major crime scenes, fires, buildings collapsing (including one that was not even hit by aircraft), and airplane crashes. And in this case, all four.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: monkeyluv

Not true

Some was sold as scrap - pieces from the impact zones were saved for examination

photoblog.nbcnews.com...

newyork.cbslocal.com...

Lot of the remaining pieces were saved for memorials and museums

Read the FEMA report: only around 200 pieces out of hundreds of thousands of tons of debris were documented and examined. That means most were not examined at all.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: v1rtu0s0
First of all that was tongue in cheek. So take it down a notch.

Second:

Any by the way, every military active duty member will vehemently disagree with anything other than the official story .

Where's your evidence?

I've known a few that don't believe the official reports.

I also don't believe there's not culpability for the government in the attacks. I just don't think the level of conspiracy is what 9/11 truthers think it is.

The 9/11 truth movement is no different than Sandy Hook denialism or in the context of this discussion, scientific denialism.

Science involves collecting as much physical evidence and storing it for future examination. Most of the steel debris was not examined and discarded after only a few weeks, even as the investigation spanned years.

a reply to: monkeyluv

Read the FEMA report: only around 200 pieces out of hundreds of thousands of tons of debris were documented and examined. That means most were not examined at all.

Because thats all you need - you dont need every piece of steel .

Its logistically difficult to assemble and store that much steel - you take only what you need to study
The Study group was looking for pieces from impact zones to gauge the impact forces and effect of fires on the steel

Since the building collapse started from the impact zones that is where you concentrate your study

Also crews were working on time constraint - you have enormous mounds of debris onfire - entombed within are
remains of 2500 people. From practical point need to quickly disassemble the pile, put out the fire and recover the human remains

a reply to: monkeyluv

The first team doing the preliminary report went around the scrapyards spraying SAVE on the pieces of steel they judged relevant. Then they'd go back and the marked pieces would be gone.

Steel was only part of the debris. The majority of the building remains are on the Fresh Kills landfill awaiting examination, when the criminals have been overthrown.

Misdirection has been used to make people concentrate on the steel. The concrete is so important the St Paul's syndicate of LLoyds, who covered the smaller insurers, chose one of the worlds concrete experts to explain to them what they would be paying for.

He's an independent expert witness. As such he manages his own website which is why it looks amateurish. The content is what is important.
www.john-knapton.com...

originally posted by: Kester
The content is what is important.

You mean content like:-

The 35 tonnes of aviation fuel will have melted the steel.

a reply to: monkeyluv

Science involves collecting as much physical evidence and storing it for future examination.

You don't need to save the rear bumper in a head on crash.
You have to be practical.
Where would you lay out 3 sky scrapers for years of examination?

When a building burns down for suspicious reasons the arson investigator doesn't save sample from every floor, every corner.

It's just the conspiracy crowd is just looking for lame reasons to support their conspiracy beliefs.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: monkeyluv

Science involves collecting as much physical evidence and storing it for future examination.

You don't need to save the rear bumper in a head on crash.
You have to be practical.
Where would you lay out 3 sky scrapers for years of examination?

When a building burns down for suspicious reasons the arson investigator doesn't save sample from every floor, every corner.

It's just the conspiracy crowd is just looking for lame reasons to support their conspiracy beliefs.

You put them in four yards, which is what happened before the debris was discarded.

Also, it's the other way round: when you have a major event of this scale, then as much physical evidence is stored for further analysis.

And if you're looking for "lame reasons," consider the excuses given for discarding the evidence. In fact, it's even worse, as no reason was given in the report.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: monkeyluv

Read the FEMA report: only around 200 pieces out of hundreds of thousands of tons of debris were documented and examined. That means most were not examined at all.

Because thats all you need - you dont need every piece of steel .

Its logistically difficult to assemble and store that much steel - you take only what you need to study
The Study group was looking for pieces from impact zones to gauge the impact forces and effect of fires on the steel

Since the building collapse started from the impact zones that is where you concentrate your study

Also crews were working on time constraint - you have enormous mounds of debris onfire - entombed within are
remains of 2500 people. From practical point need to quickly disassemble the pile, put out the fire and recover the human remains

No, it's not "logistically difficult." The fact that they were trucked to the yards and kept there for weeks proves that.

The impact zones essentially involve that steel debris, among others.

And the "time constraint" for rescuing people has nothing to do with the decision to sell most of the debris as scrap weeks later.

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: monkeyluv

The first team doing the preliminary report went around the scrapyards spraying SAVE on the pieces of steel they judged relevant. Then they'd go back and the marked pieces would be gone.

Steel was only part of the debris. The majority of the building remains are on the Fresh Kills landfill awaiting examination, when the criminals have been overthrown.

It's an important part because it's the steel trusses that held up the towers.

originally posted by: Kester
Misdirection has been used to make people concentrate on the steel. The concrete is so important the St Paul's syndicate of LLoyds, who covered the smaller insurers, chose one of the worlds concrete experts to explain to them what they would be paying for.

He's an independent expert witness. As such he manages his own website which is why it looks amateurish. The content is what is important.
www.john-knapton.com...

It's not a misdirection, as the steel debris is needed to explain the collapse. Examination of the concrete should be helpful in terms of the way it was pulverized, but I don't see how that requires gathering a lot of the dust.

a reply to: hellobruce

He's hedging. Isn't it obvious?