Whatever they are, they are not normal cloud formations

originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Raise attention to what...you taking pics of contrails and then saying they could be chemtrails?

Pretty sure your safe taking those pics or vids.

As for proof...that is usually how you show things exist, something those who believe this BS have not been able to do.

I was talking about signed documents and screenshots of websites and sources before they disappear or get altered.

Taking pics of contrails is just for the aesthetics, nothing more

A signed document or a screenshot wouldn't impress me very much, actually.

Maybe you could start by explaining why what all of science thinks is a contrail really is something else. There must be an essential flaw with the physics, something comparable to having the boiling temperature of water wrong for all these years. Contrails are hardly any more complex than that in terms of physics.. it's just that chemtrail believers are unaware of- and uninterested in those physics.

Just check for yourself.. what do you really know about contrails? Do you know the basic physics? It's hardly any more complex than this:

1: What happens to water when it's really cold?
2: What do you get when you have a whole lot of frozen particles together?
3: What happens to those particles when the air is saturated?

There seems to be a link between knowledge of these physics and chemtrail belief. How do you explain that? I've yet to come across a believer who was able to explain the physics, and at the same time I've you to come across someone who does have some depth of understanding while being a chemtrail believer. One excludes the other, apparently. Is that just a coincidence?

I suppose I should make an exception for those who are deeply involved in this whole chemtrail scam. People like Dane Wigington and Michael J Murphy. They probably are aware of the basics. They should know anyway, as they've been told many times. But they're so deep into the rabbithole that they can't get out without an unscaved ego, never mind their bank account.

Anyway the fact remains that those white streaks in the sky have an explanation, and are an expected phenomenon given the interaction of an airliner with the circumstances up there at cruise level, much in the way you expect water to start boiling at 100 C. Chemtrail belief is like ignoring the properties of water at boiling point, and claiming that someone put a poisonous gas in water which is emitted from the water when it gets hot, when everyone else knows it's just steam.

That's the level of stupidity we're dealing with here. And entire herds fall for it, never checking anything for themselves.

I could go on and on about all the culty elements that come with the chemtrail beliefsystem, but I digressed too much already

a reply to: payt69

Hey, can you please paste to me where I said chemtrails? Youtube clip was just a reference to my proposed assumption to what might be happening. Contrails, chemtrails...matters not. What`s behind this phenomena is what we should be looking at.

So can you explain to me if they all know the physics and we all know physics behind contrails, then why is that they are doing it on purpose? You know, unscheduled private planes (plural) planting intentional trails above the specific area in specific conditions? I mean, what`s the point of it? You seriously don`t believe the geoengineering theory, do you?

Oh and I really hope you can discern chemtrails as a word and chemtrails as a name given to the phenomena because there is a difference to it. Usually the ones, who know it all, bring up the poisonous gas assocation which is just a poor attempt at diverting the subject into coo-coo direction, right?

As for your inquiry, please read this. Note that this sheet is from 1999 so many things have advanced since then. After you`ve done that and have learned of the basics and the official part of the story, you might want to read further. Note that some of these are so called fringe scientists but here it is all about the idea and the possibility of its exploitation.

Which brings me to the point where I say, again..., that I`m not saying this is happening but if there is a possibility of this happening, I have to assume the worst due to mankind`s lust for power and control as well as past unsuccessful or successful attemps of such wickedness...

I hope this clears it for you

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d

So can you explain to me if they all know the physics and we all know physics behind contrails, then why is that they are doing it on purpose? You know, unscheduled private planes (plural) planting intentional trails above the specific area in specific conditions?

How do you know "they" are doing it on purpose?

They aren't doing it on purpose. The planes fly where they fly. If the conditions are right persitent contrails are produced. If the conditions are not right contrails are not produced. It's a pretty straight forward concept. Easy to grasp.

Which brings me to the point where I say, again..., that I`m not saying this is happening but if there is a possibility of this happening,

But you did say it is happening. You said "they are doing it on purpose." Right there, right up there, you said that.

a reply to: Phage

But you did say it is happening. You said "they are doing it on purpose." Right there, right up there, you said that.

I`m sorry I was not clear enough. I said that they are intentionally making contrails but not what for. So therefore I did not say that it is definitely happening, the mind control...

How do you know "they" are doing it on purpose?

They aren't doing it on purpose. The planes fly where they fly. If the conditions are right persitent contrails are produced. If the conditions are not right contrails are not produced. It's a pretty straight forward concept. Easy to grasp.

In theory yes. Most rational explanation is that they are researching this field as mentioned in the 1999 sheet but back then they were doing it on regular traffic. Now it seems this is the next stage in the view of official explanation.

Only thing I`d say is to observe the skies. If you`ll notice it, you`ll know, then go and check the flight schedule of all known airports and calculate in your position to get the time when the planes should be above you, and needless to say that these planes come and go and not turn around and make some more trails.....Whatever they are doing, it is not random and it is not as frequent as some want to make you believe. Rest is just speculation but as said, if it`s possible, I have to assume the worst.

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d

Rest is just speculation but as said, if it`s possible, I have to assume the worst.

Why? What does it get you?

a reply to: Phage

Why? What does it get you?

Awareness or...delusion...you tell me

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d
That's a false dichotomy. You left something out.
Pointless fear. The companion of ignorance.

originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
a reply to: Phage

Why? What does it get you?

Awareness or...delusion...you tell me

No. It doesn't offer you awareness mate. It just makes you paranoid. What's the benefit of living like that?

a reply to: Phage

possibly

a reply to: 3danimator2014

synchronicity you guys make....do you know eachother?

No. It doesn't offer you awareness mate. It just makes you paranoid. What's the benefit of living like that?

Nah, no paranoia, just an observation of suspicious activity that in my opinion is worth further investigation. As said surely there is a rational explanation for it but, so far, for some reason I`m not convinced this has anything to do with geoengineering.

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d

As said surely there is a rational explanation for it but, so far, for some reason I`m not convinced this has anything to do with geoengineering.

You are very probably correct in that assessment. It doesn't. It's simply a matter of atmospheric physics.

a reply to: Phage

I thought we went beyond that. Of course it is, question is why are they tampering with it?

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d

Of course it is, question is why are they tampering with it?

Because people and stuff have to move from there to there and air travel is a pretty efficient means of doing so. And because that efficiency is increased by flying at high altitudes it means that contrails will form and persist when the atmospheric conditions are conducive.

a reply to: Phage

Because people and stuff have to move from there to there and air travel is a pretty efficient means of doing so. And because that efficiency is increased by flying at high altitudes it means that contrails will form and persist when the atmospheric conditions are conducive.

Doesn`t explain why people have to travel extra miles doing circles but let`s just say that they are doing scientific research on the phenomena of contrails influencing climate and leave it at that.

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d

To say contrails are being made intentionally is an assumption with no basis for it.

To say it is for research is not a rational explanation, it is a complete stab in the dark, given that you have assumed trails are deliberate in the first place.

To talk of checking schedules of all known airports to calculate when planes should be above you ignores charters and also fails to account for delays. It's not only flawed in that respect, it's an unnecessarily complicated alternative to just tracking flights and identifying the aircraft you're observing which, to be frank, is a piece of piss to do.

So what you are doing is failing to understand what you are seeing in the sky and making up guesses about it. You are then "assuming the worst" in order to come with an explanation for your own assumptions.

Pointless fear indeed. Read Payt69's analogy again. He hit the nail squarely on the head with it. In failing to understand that water freezes in sub zero temperatures and that ice cannot go anywhere when the air is saturated, you are indeed failing to grasp that boiling water results in steam, not a secret added chemical that looks like a cloud. Or in this case "why are they experimenting by producing clouds of steam on purpose when they boil the water, what is the steam for?" When the steam is just a byproduct of making tea. You do get analogies I take it.

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d

Doesn`t explain why people have to travel extra miles doing circles but let`s just say that they are doing scientific research on the phenomena of contrails influencing climate and leave it at that.

Well there are these things called holding patterns. Military tankers also fly in circles. And, as you say, so do research aircraft.

But it's better to be helplessly frightened that informed, right? Easier anyway, physics is hard.

a reply to: waynos

I don`t know what you have read but seem to cannot comperhend what I was implying at.

Here just for you...

Persistent contrails are of interest to scientists because they increase the cloudiness of the atmosphere. The increase happens in two ways. First, persistent contrails are line-shaped clouds that would not have formed in the atmosphere without the passage of an aircraft. Secondly, persistent contrails often evolve and spread into extensive cirrus cloud cover that is indistinguishable from naturally occurring cloudi- ness (See Figure 3). At present, it is unknown how much of this more extensive cloudiness would have occurred without the passage of an aircraft. Not enough is known about how natural clouds form in the atmosphere to answer this question.

Changes in cloudiness are important because clouds help control the temperature of the Earth’s atmosphere. Changes in cloudiness resulting from human activities are important because they might contribute to long-term changes in the Earth’s climate.

source

This is a sheet from 1999 so care to explain why they might not be doing the research? Who wouldn`t want to control the weather?

Oh and just for the record, no guesses here, delays and charters easy to find thesedays...lol, seems you don`t know how to use internet.

a reply to: Phage

But it's better to be helplessly frightened that informed, right? Easier anyway, physics is hard.

Well if you put it this way, who am I to disagree

originally posted by: Op3nM1nd3d
a reply to: Phage

Because people and stuff have to move from there to there and air travel is a pretty efficient means of doing so. And because that efficiency is increased by flying at high altitudes it means that contrails will form and persist when the atmospheric conditions are conducive.

Doesn`t explain why people have to travel extra miles doing circles but let`s just say that they are doing scientific research on the phenomena of contrails influencing climate and leave it at that.

Here is another example of you filling in the blanks with guesswork. Going in circles must mean experimental spraying of contrails on purpose to you. Airliners in the hold,tankers flying a racetrack patter and AWACS and other ISTAR aircraft flying their operational route have no place in your theory.

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d

This is a sheet from 1999 so care to explain why they might not be doing the research?

Here's one from before that. From before anyone was talking about "chemtrails."
From 1970:

The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.

journals.ametsoc.org...

The thing is, the formation of contrails depends on the weather.