Whatever they are, they are not normal cloud formations

I am sure this has been discussed many times before I got here and I am sure it will continue to be after I am gone. I am not going to claim that I know what the heck they are. Apparently ATS has declared that they exist in some form of rational or there wouldn't be a dedicated thread for the topic.

I do not see them everyday, but when I do, they do not appear to be normal airplane vapors that just evaporate like condensation from engines traveling at a certain altitude. They act very strange. They start out as these seemingly narrow somewhat straight lines, then they do what can only be described as spread out and become clouds. They even crisscross over each other from different angles, sometimes in multiple formations rapidly. They come from different planes.

I am not a meteorologist or a person that studies different cloud formations. I am just a simpleton that thinks he has some above average common sense. I like chocolate, bacon and sex, rainbows and kitty cats and occasionally looking at the sky. Usually, I am just admiring natural cloud formations that look like animals or people or checking out the sunset or sunrise or trying to locate constellations, airplane jet engine vapors is very low on the list, but sometimes they just can not be ignored, especially when they decide to linger for hours upon hours and morph into something totally unique and far from natural.

I have heard many theories as to what they are for and I do not have a clue, really, no clue what the heck they are made of or what their purpose is or who the heck is responsible for their sudden appearance; like I said I am just observing behavior of vapors from planes that do not vaporize.

One thing I will say with no doubt whatsoever, these vapor trails that I do see that behave this way are not normal anything, they are extremely purposeful and far from random. Of course, the fact I have written this OP without any actual agenda in mind, I am not here to debate anything, I am merely trying to articulate an observation of behavior by animate and inanimate objects.

There will be some that agree and there will be some that disagree, all are entitled, but do not expect me to accept studies of any kind as being factual accounts. I do not need pictures or videos detailing any of it, my own eyes give me all the evidence of their existence and since I can do absolutely nothing about the nefarious agendas of the offending parties, whatever they are being used for is hardly relevant.

They exist and what you want to call them doesn't change that fact.

a reply to: INEVERQUIT

Persistent contrails have been known to exist since around WWI. The first one was reported around 1918. They're more common today, but they're still just contrails.

originally posted by: INEVERQUIT
I do not see them everyday, but when I do, they do not appear to be normal airplane vapors that just evaporate like condensation from engines traveling at a certain altitude.

Contrails do not always dissipate. It depends entirely on atmospheric conditions, which vary quite a bit day by day and at different altitudes.

If you take a look at this link you will see that contrails have indeed been around for a very long time. With the increase in air travel, you will continue to see more and more of these in the sky. It's unavoidable. You can spend just a little time learning about clouds (cirrus) and what it takes for them to exist, then check out contrails and you will quickly see that they are the same thing, just one is made by man, and the other, nature.

a reply to: INEVERQUIT

I think some of them are more than contrails. Why shouldn't they be? The government has sprayed different poisons on us in experiments numerous times.

Not directed at OP:
These threads should be given a little breathing room before the exact same people show up to debunk it. There is a thread about that now.

If you have typed "they are persistent contrails 500 times", your opinion has probably been established by now.

a reply to: reldra

You realise this is an open forum with the motto "Deny Ignorance" and not "Echo Chamber"?

To the OP. You've described contrails to a T. There is no evidence that they are anything but contrails.

originally posted by: INEVERQUIT
They act very strange. They start out as these seemingly narrow somewhat straight lines, then they do what can only be described as spread out and become clouds.

When conditions air right (right temperature and humidity), the ice crystals in a regular contrail that would normally be short-lived (would normally dissipate quickly) gives the invisible moisture already present in the relatively humid air something to latch on to -- i.e., a "nucleation point".

That moisture that is originally in the form of water vapor latches on to the ice in the contrail and condenses out of the air and freezes into ice crystals of their own, become additional nucleation points. This caused a chain reaction where more ambient water vapor condenses onto those additional nucleation points and freezes -- one so on and so on, as long as the right temperature and relative humidity persists.

...And that's how contrails spread out and create a cirrus cloud cover.

They even crisscross over each other from different angles, sometimes in multiple formations rapidly. They come from different planes.

There are a lot of planes that travel the air-routes in the skies, and sometimes those air-routes cross, juts like sometimes automobile highways cross.

I have heard many theories as to what they are for and I do not have a clue, really, no clue what the heck they are made of or what their purpose is or who the heck is responsible for their sudden appearance; like I said I am just observing behavior of vapors from planes that do not vaporize.

A contrail forms because of the warm, moist air (and some engine soot) coming out of the jet engine can cause that moisture -- plus the additional ambient water vapor already present in the air -- to condense and freeze into ice crystals.

That's a normal contrail. Sometimes those ice crystals last only a short time, and that's why contrails sometimes dissipate quickly. However, sometimes that don't dissipate quickly, and instead persist and spread -- and I described how that happens above.

One thing I will say with no doubt whatsoever, these vapor trails that I do see that behave this way are not normal anything, they are extremely purposeful and far from random.

No -- They aren't random.

They are primarily caused by airline traffic, and that airline traffic flies along specific air routes in the sky -- although those routes can be wide, and have several parallel "lanes" where planes may fly, causing parallel contrails. As I mentioned above, sometimes the "highways" in the sky cross each other (say a mostly North-South lane intersecting with a mostly East-West lane), and thus those parallel lines of contrails may also cross.

Commercial air traffic (nor most military traffic, for that matter) fly willy-nilly wherever they want. The fly in these set "highways" in the sky.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: INEVERQUIT

Persistent contrails have been known to exist since around WWI. The first one was reported around 1918. They're more common today, but they're still just contrails.

So why was there a meeting in California attended by Doctors, Pilots, and Scientists testifying that chemtrails are real and use soil samples to help state their case? When there are high amounts of Aluminum and Barium found in the soil, the same ingredients used to seed clouds during Operation Popeye in Vietnam. I could go on and on, but some people are stuck in their ways and refuse to be informed.

originally posted by: network dude
If you take a look at this link you will see that contrails have indeed been around for a very long time. With the increase in air travel, you will continue to see more and more of these in the sky. It's unavoidable. You can spend just a little time learning about clouds (cirrus) and what it takes for them to exist, then check out contrails and you will quickly see that they are the same thing, just one is made by man, and the other, nature.

The only contrails that last are from military jets. I have never seen a commercial airline freighter leave contrails that last more than a few seconds.

a reply to: Sometimes

Soil samples don't prove anything except that aluminum and barium are present. That doesn't show where it came from, or anything of the sort. Aluminum is one of the most common metals occurring naturally. Saying there's a lot of aluminum in the soil proves there's a lot of aluminum in the soil. That's all.

Cloud seeding is not chemtrails. Cloud seeding requires clouds to be present, it doesn't leave long white lines behind aircraft.

a reply to: Sometimes

And you can tell the difference how? The military flies some commercial type aircraft. I'm outside all day every day, and I see commercial aircraft leaving trails that last a long time constantly.

originally posted by: Sometimes

originally posted by: network dude
If you take a look at this link you will see that contrails have indeed been around for a very long time. With the increase in air travel, you will continue to see more and more of these in the sky. It's unavoidable. You can spend just a little time learning about clouds (cirrus) and what it takes for them to exist, then check out contrails and you will quickly see that they are the same thing, just one is made by man, and the other, nature.

The only contrails that last are from military jets. I have never seen a commercial airline freighter leave contrails that last more than a few seconds.

Then you're not looking closely. I see commercial jets forming contrails several times a week, on average.

Chem trails are absolutely real. I have flown enough and have 2 pilots in my family who both agree that what we are seeing in the skies these days is not normal condensation coming from those jets in the air dumping their poisons down on us. Most people just refuse to open their eyes and question anything spewed out by the MSM

originally posted by: RobertBedford
Chem trails are absolutely real. I have flown enough and have 2 pilots in my family who both agree that what we are seeing in the skies these days is not normal condensation coming from those jets in the air dumping their poisons down on us. Most people just refuse to open their eyes and question anything spewed out by the MSM

Prove it. Do you have any idea the volume of chemicals/whatever it would take to leave supposed chemtrails? Hint: No plane on the planet could carry enough. The 'chemtrails' would only be a few thousand feet long (if that). They're contrails. Deal with it.

a reply to: reldra

If you have typed "they are persistent contrails 500 times", your opinion has probably been established by now.

Same goes for the chemtrailers, their opinion is well established too, why aren't you berating them as well?

a reply to: INEVERQUIT

As I said, you are all entitled to an opinion, however, some of you are wrong and some of you are right. Contrails exist and then there is something entirely different that pretends to be. People that do that thing where they try to ridicule others and question there sanity by implying they are just making stuff up for the hell of it are usually arrogant enough to think they are always right in spite of obvious contradictions to the contrary.

ATS decided to create this forum, I didn't. They thought the subject required a specific venue, I didn't. I do not know who has been frequenting this forum and who has not. I have not read any other threads on the subject. I was simply outside today and was just having a leisurely stroll enjoying nature when from above I was inundated with these "normal" whatever strange things they are (not contrails, because I am not an idiot) from every direction and before I knew it the sky looked like a huge ################ Tic Tac Toe play ground.

No this is not the first time in my life that I have noticed them, in fact I used to hang out at the airport when I was younger and for some strange reason regardless of the weather or temperature the frequency of contrails was consistent, they were evident regularly, what was not evident then is the strange "persistent" contrails that have surfaced lately with much more frequency.

Maybe there are such a thing as persistent contrails, but this forum specifically alludes to the very fact that something called geo-engineering and chemtrails have some merit or everything in this forum would end up in the trash bin or that LOL forum.

Just because you yell something louder doesn't mean it is truer. I am not yelling fire in a crowded movie theater just to see everyone run for their lives. These supposedly "natural condensation trails do not behave in any normal capacity, again, I am not an idiot so don't insult my intelligence by claiming to know what you simply have no clue about, is or is not a contrail created by normal condensation.

I don't care what is in the soil and I do not care what credentials any of you claim to have or who knows pilots or has a weatherman in the family, none of it changes what I see and what my opinion about these vapors are, I know the difference, I am not an idiot.

a reply to: INEVERQUIT

Persistent contrails are well documented, and can even be predicted. The military accurately predicts where and when they will form before they fly missions with stealth aircraft, so they can avoid the areas where they will be.

As for things being different now than before, of course they are. Do you think the technology from 30 years ago is still being used today? Or that air travel levels are the same as they were then? Of course things changed.

a reply to: reldra

You are 100% correct. The same debunkers show up, right on time.

Chemtrails exist.

a reply to: NewzNose

And yet, after years of repeating that, no one has been able to provide any conclusive evidence that they do.

originally posted by: Sometimes

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: INEVERQUIT

Persistent contrails have been known to exist since around WWI. The first one was reported around 1918. They're more common today, but they're still just contrails.

So why was there a meeting in California attended by Doctors, Pilots, and Scientists testifying that chemtrails are real and use soil samples to help state their case? When there are high amounts of Aluminum and Barium found in the soil, the same ingredients used to seed clouds during Operation Popeye in Vietnam. I could go on and on, but some people are stuck in their ways and refuse to be informed.

That is a great video and there are actual experts stating definitively that these clouds are not normal. Not just that they contain aluminium and barium.