How we CELEBRATE people killing & getting killed in pursuit of EMPIRE (Memorial Day)

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

OH yes we are ,you see all the EXPERTS have been booted MOST of the best are now vets.
We have better training. We have bought and outfitted ourselves with better rifles than M4s.
Automatic fire isn't any advantage when your enemy can school you .
As to the Oligarchs,Sociopaths aren't superior they are sick.
There isn't a viable test so these types and psychopaths are attracted to positions of power,it's part of the narcissistic tendancies that accompany these illnesses
I am not showing any dimensia as of my last visit but I could VERY easily fight in a civil war if they actually tried to take us on.
We would own them.www.bob-owens.com...

Hey sorry guys I was off doing other stuff. Did OP ever actually do anything he/she/ze said people should be doing or did they not make it off the couch long enough to stop posting online?

Either way, heroic as all hell.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I've been enjoying watching you squirm in wait for me to bite on this retarded topic you've repeated for days now....

Didnt you see me on the news? Last week I built a trebuchet, and then the other day I towed it down to Dubya Bush's Neverland Ranch. He was in there all trying to rape the 'civil liberties' from some wild liberals they had rode down and lasso'ed the night before, when out of no where a crate of rotten tomatoes came crashing in through the window. They were so startled, Bush Sr. had a heart attack and EMS had to show up. Luckily we had happened to show up like that out there and foil Dubya's plan to wrap those wild liberals in tin foil and serve them up rack of ribs style at his annual dead veterans BBQ celebration yesterday.

Well perhaps this is a good thread to bring up the following as well:

Hatred is a strong emotion exploited by propagandists. Loaded language is particularly effective in triggering it. There seems to be a nearly endless supply of nasty words that promote and exploit hatred toward particular racial, ethnic, or religious groups.

Some propagandists play on pride. Often we can spot appeals to pride by looking for such key phrases as: “Any intelligent person knows that . . .” or, “A person with your education can’t help but see that . . .” A reverse appeal to pride plays on our fear of seeming stupid. Professionals in persuasion are well aware of that.

Slogans and Symbols

Slogans are vague statements that are typically used to express positions or goals. Because of their vagueness, they are easy to agree with.

For example, in times of national crisis or conflict, demagogues may use such slogans as “My country, right or wrong,” “Fatherland, Religion, Family,” or “Freedom or Death.” But do most people carefully analyze the real issues involved in the crisis or conflict? Or do they just accept what they are told?

In writing about World War I, Winston Churchill observed: “Only a signal is needed to transform these multitudes of peaceful peasants and workmen into the mighty hosts which will tear each other to pieces.” He further observed that when told what to do, most people responded unthinkingly.

The propagandist also has a very wide range of symbols and signs with which to convey his message—a 21-gun salvo, a military salute, a flag. Love of parents can also be exploited. Thus, such symbolisms as the fatherland, the mother country, or the mother church are valuable tools in the hands of the shrewd persuader.

So the sly art of propaganda can paralyze thought, prevent clear thinking and discernment, and condition individuals to act en masse. How can you protect yourself?

Source: The Manipulation of Information: Awake!—2000
Answer to the last question is on the next page which is linked in my sig.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

"Actions speak louder than Internet rants" is a retarded subject?

I think we've just solved your issue, buddy.

Ps - didn't read anything else you said. A simple "nope I haven't done anything" would have sufficed. It's adorable you think I've been worried about you "biting" on the "retarded subject" of actually doing something instead of just talking about doing something.

Seems you bit anyway, though.

a reply to: Shamrock6

On and on you push this 'big' 'smackdown'....

What, me I'm just gonna show up out someplace with some sign that has some big long message on it and stand there by myself like an idiot hootin' & hollerin'; nobody passing by wont have a clue what its about as I never posted the premise online to generate some soundbite material, or better yet make it extra short and simple which means it'll come off with only one shortsighted outcome: a car load of veteran meathead killers jump out and beat me down???

Counter-propaganda (persuasion via media, that is countering the .gov/Media's indoctrinations) to reach out to others, in pursuit of affecting change ('planting seeds' etc) IS action genius. And hey, I know that I since 2004 have spent something on the order of 20,000 hours doing hardcore research, propagation AND actual boots on the ground activism to be / to affect the change I want to see in the world (i.e. to end mass human suffering, and resisting obliteration of our rights in this nation / the undermining of our peoples by the elites that rule US, etc). For 6 straight years my life was totally dedicated to said activism's (even when at work); And in the 6 years since I exhibit the same dedicative zeal to scouring the world for the rarest edible & medicinal plants, and growing / mass propagating them, in pursuit of making them available to all the world over; my new job all day all night.

Do note, I barely even get around to doing a heavy thread like this online but barely even once a year if even that, and the first time I do in like 2 years I'm going to be ridiculed as some sort of douchebag chump??? LOL

Way to go you brilliant HERO!

Seriously, dont hit an IED when you're over there in the Middle East blowing away 'barbarians', for their oil, "so that we can have the right to free speech".

a reply to: Shamrock6

Following your logic, Ben Franklin was a LOSER, as when writing propaganda and printing it in his printing press that wasn't activism... nobody should even know he ever did it as it had no meaning considering apparently if people use todays digital media formats to get a message out its the stuff of losers.

Only people who blow people away with guns get to be a hero in your twisted grim reaper world of blood & guts, eh?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Aww and now we lash out with personal attacks.

If that's your impression of what Ben Franklin contributed to the revolution, I suggest you brush up on your history. He did a wee bit more than sit around on his ass and write pamphlets.

I'll not be addressing any of the other crap you made up and then assigned to me, so my response is brief. Toodles.

It does not take two sides to make a war. While I won't condone everything the U.S. does.. nor will I for any other country (no country has blood-free hands, you are fooling yourself if you think otherwise), it is foolish to scorn a holiday that supports those that have to fight to uphold liberty and the way of life American's take for granted nearly every day.

originally posted by: fleabit
it is foolish to scorn a holiday that supports those that have to fight to uphold liberty and the way of life American's take for granted nearly every day.

Actually, it's not. It's quite sane to call them on it and to say: "you guys are the cause of or the contributors to so many of the woes of this modern world".

If they don't understand it, because their acceptance is necessary for them to justify their participation in illegal wars, then that isn't just my problem, it's everyones. They have blood on their hands and they need to justify it, and their propaganda machine is vast.

How does it feel to be a murderer?

No moral high ground.

originally posted by: aorAki

originally posted by: fleabit
it is foolish to scorn a holiday that supports those that have to fight to uphold liberty and the way of life American's take for granted nearly every day.

Actually, it's not. It's quite sane to call them on it and to say: "you guys are the cause of or the contributors to so many of the woes of this modern world".

If they don't understand it, because their acceptance is necessary for them to justify their participation in illegal wars, then that isn't just my problem, it's everyones. They have blood on their hands and they need to justify it, and their propaganda machine is vast.

How does it feel to be a murderer?

No moral high ground.

That shows such a lack of understanding, I'm amazed, frankly.

You want to blame someone for war, blame the people that start it.

Calling vets murderers just makes you look, thick (because you fail to understand what being in a combat zone is like), belligerent (because it's loaded and confrontational language) and, frankly just plain nasty (Because you deliberately chose words that you hoped would provoke and hurt those you are aiming them at).

@everyone:

Mr. Franklin, a fellow inventor whom I admire many times over, did many great things related to the Revolutionary War, and a big fat double slice of that pie had to do with propaganda via the mass media of his day. And I'd wager that ten times over his propaganda works, opposed to his visiting the Hellfire Club in England, and picking up a musket, etc, ten times over his propaganda was more important to the greater cause than any. So next time some "17 confirmed kills war 'hero'" treats you like trash for trying to reach out via todays mass media to try to FIGHT FOR HIS FREEDOM, remember these words.

From there, a soldier who was lied to isn't an 'enemy', a murderer, etc... unless they come into a discussion and balls out admit that the wars they're so proud to fight and kill in aren't even about freedom of speech (yet still play that card over and over to troll the discussion), but instead they're willing to blow up babies if ordered to all in pursuit of empire building, special interests groups (defense contractors wanna sell more weapons, etc), ambition of warmonger politicians, and so on... To admit to all of that, and then keep soldiering on in the service, and then spend their free time out demagoging discussions with nothing but fallacious 'Soldiers Honor Fallacy' based remarks, makes such individuals just as guilty as the lying establishment mouthpieces that convinced the soldiers to go fight, and the masses to support them. Therefore, such individuals rightfully garner themselves titles (not 'names'-callings, TITLES) such as baby killers, just like the politicians whom they blindly worship.

Likewise, anyone else a soldier, or not, likewise garners themselves the same branding if they admit wars are for empire, and concede that babies get blown up as a result, and yet still will go argue in favor of empire building, they too deserve the title of 'baby killers' (as after all they support babies getting blown up so they can have cheaper guzoline).

This sums up modern day American blind patriotism and our military minded culture. We wonder why the rest of the world look down on us.

Or how about this one...


or this one...


Get the point yet?

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Maybe it's the crazy self flagellation?

I can't speak for anyone else, but the only things that I see as a failure of the USA are access to health care and education. With a small side order of being too keen to prop up despots but that can be excused in view of the bigger picture sometimes.

I still maintain its healthy to respect the (mostly working class) men and women that wear the uniform. Without them, the world would be a painful place.

a reply to: SprocketUK

I still maintain its healthy to respect the (mostly working class) men and women that wear the uniform

I was among those ranks and what I saw pushed me away from that mindset, most of the people I encountered were not good people worthy of anyone's praise. There were a few here and there but they are also the ones that could see and understand what it was and they fulfilled their contractual duty, did their 4 and moved on to bigger and better things than being a poorly paid imperialistic mercenary.

I'm sorry but most people who serve(d) do not understand it for what it is, them and their families are blind and biased to the truth. Everyone wants to feel good about the part they played its human nature to be blind to ones own flaws and indiscretions. No one wants to think of themselves as the bad guy but it doesn't stop it from being true if one contributes to acts of evil plain and simple. Playing the part of foreign invader at the behest of the military industrial complex, oil cartels, opium/heroin/pharma cartels and central banks certainly does not make anyone a hero or worthy of praise.

I wish more people would be honest with themselves and stop living in delusions of grandeur.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Not so black and white though is it?

The damaged freak that laughs as he fires indiscriminately at a block of flats one day, could be risking his ass to drag someone out of a vehicle under fire the next.

We all posess the capacity for good and evil, we are rarely 100% one thing or the other all the time.

The fact is, just being the barrier between society and what might wish to hurt it is worthy of some thought as to what price they may have to pay on our behalf.

originally posted by: SprocketUK


Calling vets murderers just makes you look, thick (because you fail to understand what being in a combat zone is like), belligerent (because it's loaded and confrontational language) and, frankly just plain nasty (Because you deliberately chose words that you hoped would provoke and hurt those you are aiming them at).

I'm with Harry Patch on this. Check the link on the previous page.
Sometimes the truth does seem to hurt those who are living in denial.

originally posted by: aorAki

originally posted by: SprocketUK


Calling vets murderers just makes you look, thick (because you fail to understand what being in a combat zone is like), belligerent (because it's loaded and confrontational language) and, frankly just plain nasty (Because you deliberately chose words that you hoped would provoke and hurt those you are aiming them at).

I'm with Harry Patch on this. Check the link on the previous page.
Sometimes the truth does seem to hurt those who are living in denial.

Sure, and how many other Harry Patches have you slandered?

There's no justification for calling soldiers, sailors and aircrew murderers, so long as they stick to their ROE's .

Maybe if you were alive in 1916 you'd have been sat safe at home calling the same man one of the murderers for being in France.

a reply to: SprocketUK

If they enable it, they're part of the problem.

Not in my name...

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I’m a veteran, and I hate ‘Happy Memorial Day.’ Here’s why

I’ve attended more than 75 funerals and memorial services since September 11th, 2001. Services for men and women I knew personally, or knew of before they died. Men and women who were friends of my friends. People who’d eaten dinner at my house. Husbands of my friends. Sons of my friends. Brothers of my friends. Sisters of my friends.

Men who served with my friends. Men who died with my friends. Men who were my friends.

I realize I’m not alone in this crowd, but for a decade my every day included reading reports about men and women killed or wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan and managing how the media reported or didn’t report, as time went on, the circumstances.

I share their names and talk about their lives and their deaths because if we don’t remember, we’ll forget. If we don’t share, they’ll be lost:

Gannon, Fontecchio, Winchester, Rowe, Clay, Best, May, Torres, Gibson, Valdez, Dunham, Nice, Funk, Fitzgerald, Galvez, Newman, Kenyon, Williams, Baucas, Butterfield, Hanson, Watson, Stevenson, Stahlman, Holmason, Modeen, McClung, McElveen, Martinez, Kaiser, Huhn, Bedard, Escobar, Spears, Figueroa, MartinezFlores, O’Day, Graczyk Love…

I’ve visited their graves at Arlington, in Florida, California, Texas, Louisiana, Tennessee, North Carolina, Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland— and I owe a visit to a grave in Maine.

I had the privilege of escorting my friend Gunnery Sgt. Elia Fontecchio home for burial in August 2004. That assignment, escort duty, remains one of the single most honorable things of which I’ve ever been a part. It was certainly the hardest. There’s no script for the moment the flight crew announces you’re escorting precious cargo and should be allowed to leave the plane first. No brief prepares you to meet the tidal wave of grief and anger from parents or a wife or siblings. No PowerPoint slides teach you how to stash your own emotions while you stand firm and comfort the survivors.

So yeah. I’m frustrated by Memorial Day. And I’m angry about apathy.

I want to see people besides the small percentage of us who are veterans, know veterans, love veterans or lost veterans, understand what the day is about. It’s the one day on the American calendar meant to exemplify what it costs to be American and to be free… and we’ve turned it into a day off work, a tent sale and a keg of beer.

I’m not going to Arlington this weekend. Instead I’ll spend time on the phone with friends whose lives were changed as a result of someone’s personal sacrifice. We’ll talk, laugh, share stories, say their names and we’ll remember. I’ll surround myself with those who lived and we’ll raise a glass in honor of those who died.

We’ve all heard, “Freedom isn’t free.”

Since 1776, it’s actually cost us more than 1.3 million lives.

I hope you enjoy your weekend — but I hope you pause to remember, too.

The whole article is worth a read, if you would like to go to the link. I have not read the whole thread so I don't know if anyone has shared this, but it is worth sharing.