Chicago Public Schools Now Forcing Students To Use Requested Transgender Pronouns

Freija and kaylaluv, I give you this study. It is pretty extensive though.

Study

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: Freija

How exactly does one research transgender people?

Well, thanks to Kaylaluv, you should have a good start. You might also scan through some of my post history because that's all I'm here to talk about and I advocate for transgender youth and their families. An organization I am involved with and support has some info too you might find interesting Gender Spectrum's Resources Page. You may explore other transgender related information at places like the Human Rights Campaign website but this is less hard research and more of the human side of things.

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) publishes the internationally accepted Standards of Care but this is anything but light reading. This is the medical bible compiled by decades and decades of professional research for the diagnosis, treatment and care for transgender, transsexual and gender non-conforming people followed by all major health organizations throughout the world.

You might also nicely ask. I was transgender as a child in the 1950's and '60's however my experience growing up was very different from transgender kids today. Some of the more recent things I've written on transgender kids can be found here and here

PS,
I think you are one of the most naturally artistic folks on this site. Love your work, even the dark stuff.

originally posted by: Vector99
Freija and kaylaluv, I give you this study. It is pretty extensive though.

Study

Dude! That PDF is about sexuality. This has nothing to do with being transgender. Transgender isn't even mentioned.

You are way off base. Sorry but try reading some of the links and information that has been provided.

a reply to: Freija

Thank you and I never mean to be rude perhaps i am abrasive. I do mean well. And I wasn't aware you know my art but that is awesome too thank you.

DP

originally posted by: xuenchen

new guidelines mandating all students and employees to use the pronouns and names requested by the transgender and "gender non-conforming" individuals, or face consequences

Waits for some kid wanting the name

Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel

to be used for them!

a reply to: kaylaluv

Cisgender was a term coined by the medical profession first. Another fact.

wiki is not a source for medical expertise. Cis is actually latin in origin. It never has medically been used in gender classification until recently, by transgenders. I don't mind the classification, but is there really a need for it? It's another divisive tool, and it's only a word.

Did you bother to read the conclusions of this study?

Yes I did. Did you notice the statistical suicide rate decreased exponentially as age did? AKA the younger the person, the more likely they committed suicide. But hey, let's just disregard that fact.

Now, here's a study that shows children who are allowed to transition earlier are happier.

Your own link says treatments were not started until 12.5 years old, and on average puberty starts between the age of 8-9 years old.

Your link also does not indicate the age that the 42 people involved started their transition. It does however state that 26 of them were depressed and cutting themselves beforehand, and 11 had psychiatric problems ranging from ADD to autism.

Yep. You did.

And again, no I didn't

Look, I do not have an issue with transgenders at all. I'm simply stating scientific fact that a child doesn't possess the chemical balance to determine these things until puberty starts.

a reply to: Vector99

Yeah, I get it - you are trying to say that same sex parents lead their children to be homosexual. And no, this study does not confirm that. As a matter of fact, it states:

In terms of sexual identity, the large majority of young adults with lesbian mothers identified as heterosexual.

Young people often times experiment sexually. It's actually pretty common. Doesn't mean they are confused. It means they are exploring.

Your study (which is a pretty old study, by the way) also says:

How the changing social climate may influence exploration of same-gender relationships
remains open to speculation. It is conceivable, however, that children born at the present time to heterosexual parents
who are accepting of lesbian and gay relationships will be just as open to same-sex exploration in adulthood as their counterparts from lesbian families are today.

And that is pretty much what has happened. It's kind of the "in" thing for kids at college these days (especially girls) to experiment with sex with other girls. Most of the time, they still identify as hetero, and it hasn't seemed to cause great confusion or distress. Bi-curious is not a horrible mental condition.

And nothing in this study addresses gender identity.

a reply to: Freija

Transgenderism and sexuality go hand in hand.

a reply to: Vector99

Oh my god. It is so hard to talk to someone who is so totally clueless.

A sexologist/psychologist came up with the term cisgender (well, actually it was cis-sexual). He put it in a peer-reviewed study back in the 90's. Other psychologists picked up the term cisgender and started using it in their papers. That's where the term originally came from. GAH!!!!!!!!

Puberty has several stages. Endocrinologists recommend that trans kids go on puberty blockers after the initial stages of puberty, but before the later stages of puberty. The age of 12.5 is typically just before the later stages. Puberty blockers just delay puberty to give the kids more time to be counseled on whether they want to move on with the process of transition. They are totally reversible. Puberty blockers have been used for years on kids with early puberty conditions, with no bad results.

a reply to: kaylaluv

If you want to cherry-pick the study I can too

studies that have demonstrated a link between boyhood cross-gender behavior and adult homosexuality suggest that feminine boys, and possibly masculine girls, in lesbian families may be more likely than their counterparts in heterosexual families to develop a sexual orientation toward partners of the same sex

Regardless of the age of it, it is an extensive study worth reading cover to cover.

It doesn't favor either one of us.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Endocrinologists recommend that trans kids go on puberty blockers after the initial stages of puberty

There are also no studies on long term effects of such treatments. Claiming they are safe just because you think they are doesn't make them safe.

Oh look, another ranting thread by conservative loons claiming that it's some kind of attack on their freedoms and liberties to show someone BASIC f-ing respect to others.

And do we even need to act surprised by the fact that the linked article is also extremely selective and extremely biased to the right-wing in describing what is actually happening here?

If you are a transgender person you deserve to be treated with respect by others, especially in education where they have a DAMNED DUTY to make it accessible to ALL students, whether you f-ing well like it or not.

School is not a place for you to pick out the black kids to bully, the gay kids, the trans kids, the Muslim kids... you do not have a right to be an abusive cretin to others just because you're a white, heterosexual Christian. You are not more worthy than anyone else, you are not more deserving of an education than anyone else, you are not in some privileged class of people with exclusive rights to be hateful and damaging to other people.

This is a measure to stop ignorant little tw@s in a school from being abusive to other students, in the same way they would be punished for being sexist or racist to other students.

Any measure which stops ignorant kids of ignorant parents from being hateful and abusive to other students is absolutely right, and I hope they uphold this absolutely and start weeding out the racists, the homophobes, the xenophobes and the cretins who seem to think (likely from parents who think like many conservative members here) that they are somehow "superior" to others and are somehow "permitted" to abuse people.

School is for all kids, not just your ignorant kids.

a reply to: namelesss

You have spammed that rubbish in multiple threads now as though one biased study is confirmation of your preconceived notions. That article is nothing more than propaganda to slander those who maintain conservative/traditional views.

The truth is that there are highly intelligent people that are prejudiced, as there are very simple people that are prejudiced as well. There is no correlation between maintaining prejudiced views and low IQ level.

History shows us that some of the greatest minds ever recorded maintained views that could be classified as prejudiced. Intelligence is far more likely to be determined by genetics, whereas prejudice is far more likely to be determined by external influences or personal experience.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: kaylaluv

There are also no studies on long term effects of such treatments. Claiming they are safe just because you think they are doesn't make them safe.

Now your "concern" has gone too far.

The drug used to block puberty in children, Leuprorelin has been approved for this purpose since 1989. It just hasn’t been used on transgender kids. So yes, we don’t know what it does 40 years down the road.

But then again, by the same standard, we don’t know the effects of a lot of drugs 40 years down the road either. However, the most recent study on the effects of Leuprorelin, on transgender children show considerable benefit so far. The study found that the children who had used blockers, “were no longer experiencing mental health consequences related to gender dysphoria, their quality of life and happiness levels were on par with their non-transgender peers and none expressed any regret about delaying puberty or transitioning.” A new, $5.7 million dollar, 5-year large-scale study has just been launched to settle this matter.

So why does concern troll show so much concern? Because concern troll is afraid happy, healthy, beautiful transgender people will convince others that transgender people aren’t so scary after all.

Been used in Europe on transgender kids for 20 years. In this country for about 11.

Six year old Endocrine Society guidelines recommend puberty blockers at Tanner Stage 2. New guidelines coming out this summer recommending same but changing recommendation to wait until 16 for HRT to when it is appropriate on an individual basis.

a reply to: Freija

Star for the idea that I'm a "concern troll"

The drug you linked is used to treat prostate cancer, breast cancer, and premature hormonal development in pre-pubescents

but the recommended duration of its use in this clinical setting is limited to 6 months because it reduces bone mineral density

Yea, nothing could go wrong with using that on a regular basis

*ETA
Looking more into this drug you claim has been used for decades on children...you are wrong.

I guess I am a concern troll, because this drug has devastating effects when used long-term.

And it never has been used for transgender therapy on a long-term basis. It's not safe to use it for that.

Gosh, what's next?

Some dictatorial rule that kids can't stand up during class and dance if the spirit moves them?

Some draconian edict that students must attend class and do homework?

When did we allow the freedom of young people to be so harshly obliterated by the school system???

Oh ... wait ... that's right ... always.

The horrors of teaching kids that some folks are different and that they deserve respect just as anyone else does.

Damn the Tyrant Obama!!!

Save the pronouns!

Another prime example of ATS Conservatives running around like chickens with their heads cut off, panicked over yet another gross exaggeration by right wing spin.

It truly can't be that hard to acknowledge a person as they wish to be acknowledged, can it?

I don't like the name Bob so every Bob I meet must accept the fact that it's against my beliefs to call him Bob and take on the name Tim in my presence otherwise Tim is a PC snowflake trying to oppress me.

originally posted by: Kali74
It truly can't be that hard to acknowledge a person as they wish to be acknowledged, can it?

You obviously didn't get the memo about this, so I'll fill you in...

The Conservatives believe that it's their "God given right" to be nasty to people, to be disrespectful to others, to be intolerant of everyone not like them, that they are somehow superior to all others outside of their collective (whether that's political opinion, race, gender, religion, sexual identity...) and if you dare to even suggest that they just be damn decent people and treat others with respect you're a "liberal fascist" and part of some evil progressive plot sent by "commie" Obama to destroy all that's good about America.

originally posted by: hellobruce
new guidelines mandating all students and employees to use the pronouns and names requested by the transgender and "gender non-conforming" individuals, or face consequences

Waits for some kid wanting the name

Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel

to be used for them!

Dear Principal,
from now on you shall address me with the gender pronoun "Conquistador". This can be shortened on my enrollment forms as Cqt.
Yours sincerely,
Cqt Ronald.