U.S. Gives Sweeping Guidance to Schools on Transgender Students

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a reply to: SisterDelirium

It's ok! You get your own bathroom! The guvment mandated it!

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: SisterDelirium

It's ok! You get your own bathroom! The guvment mandated it!

No kidding. I give up. The world's gone crazier than I'd ever have thought it would. At this point I'm not sure if people are just bored, if mental illness is the new normal or what.

DontTreadOnMe is treading on me!

One person when asked what bathroom they should use had the best answer, if they don't look like the gender they are using, don't obviously, those pictures posted don't matter because people can't tell, ignorance is bliss in this case, don't ask don't tell works. And if they look like some half something that is going to scare the ladies, then just use the unisex handicap washroom, problem solved and it's private it too.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

Your rights end where mine begin. If you want to be religious, do it in church. If you want to be conservative, do it in the voting booth. It's so wrong to force your beliefs on others whose beliefs are different.
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Forcing your BELIEFS on other people is not religious freedom. True freedom is: you are free do live your life as you see fit, and others are free to live their lives as they seem fit. You don't have to like opposing views, but you really should try to respect them.

Except that religious freedom itself is being attacked, and the freedom of people in general is also being attacked.

One thing is to teach children, and for people to respect each other's opinion. A completely different thing is to mandate government opinion.

Religious freedom has been attacked when what has been a religious practice of marrying a man and a woman was ordered by the government to include same sex marriage. Why change a religious ceremony that has existed for thousands of years? Why didn't the gay community make up their own ceremony, but instead wanted to change the one which existed for thousands of years into what they wanted.

I believe people can be with whomever they want to, it's nobody's business. But I also believe that the gay community shouldn't have hijacked marriage to impose their will on everyone else.

The freedom of choice of people should stay with each and every person. But mandating that all children of one sex should be okay with children of the opposite sex to go into their bathrooms is another affront and fight to destroy conservative values.

That's the end goal of this movement. It is not about being accepted, it is about completely destroying values that they don't identify with, and they want to impose their own values on everyone else.

Yes, people should be respectful of each other, but government mandated opinion of what is a small fraction of the population upon the rest, is an affront to freedom.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
One person when asked what bathroom they should use had the best answer, if they don't look like the gender they are using, don't obviously, those pictures posted don't matter because people can't tell, ignorance is bliss in this case, don't ask don't tell works. And if they look like some half something that is going to scare the ladies, then just use the unisex handicap washroom, problem solved and it's private it too.

From reading what transgenders say themselves - - - they (most, I assume) agree with you.

If you're going to go into the women's room, you need to be presenting yourself as appropriate.

Same for men's.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Religious freedom has been attacked when what has been a religious practice of marrying a man and a woman was ordered by the government to include same sex marriage.

Religion should never have had a stranglehold on this country in the first place.

It's not being attacked - - - its power is being diminished because it should be.

We are not a Theocracy - - - we are a Secular Democratic Republic

originally posted by: Annee

Religion should never have had a stranglehold on this country in the first place.

It's not being attacked - - - its power is being diminished because it should be.

We are not a Theocracy - - - we are a Secular Democratic Republic

A secular Republic which was founded under the principle that people are free to exercise their religion as they see fit. Yet we see the government now undermining this freedom and claiming values which have existed for over 200 years in this nation should not exist, and instead government mandated opinion should exist.

There are already cases in which some gay people want to bring lawsuits against different religious churches for not wanting to accept the government mandated opinion.

Millionaire Gay Couple Sues to Force Church Wedding
10:00AM EDT 8/20/2013

Barrie and Tony Drewitt-Barlow have launched a legal challenge to the right of churches to opt out of gay weddings. (Surrogacy-UK/Wikimedia/Creative Commons)

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Millionaire gay couple the Drewitt-Barlows have confirmed they have launched a legal challenge to the right of churches to opt out of gay weddings.

In fresh comments published by the Chelmsford Weekly News in the U.K. today, Barrie Drewitt-Barlow said legal action had started.

“We’ve launched a challenge to the government’s decision to allow some religious groups to opt out of marrying same-sex couples," he said.

“We feel we have the right as parishioners in our village to utilize the church we attend to get married.

“It is no reflection on our local church, who have been nothing but supportive towards us. We understand their hands are tied by a higher group of people within the church.”

Earlier this month, Drewitt-Barlow said he and his civil partner, Tony, would go to court to force gay weddings on churches.
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That's not counting the fact that any church defined as "for-profit" are also being forced to perform same sex marriage.

Some other LGTB groups want for all churches to lose their tax exempt status if they do not perform same sex marriages.

EXCLUSIVE - LGBT GROUP: SHUT CHURCHES DOWN!
April 01, 2015

Today, in a stunning statement, Jeran Artery, Chairman of Wyoming Equality argued that churches who do not support same sex marriage should lose their tax exempt status.

"Churches that lobby to have freedoms and rights taken away from ANYONE should absolutely have their 501(c)3 status revoked!!"

Talk about tolerance, freedom of speech, and religious freedom. Disagree with Artery's views of same sex marriage and your church will be shut down.

Gone are the days of pluralism. This is what tyranny looks like.

Wyoming Equality, Artery's organization, seeks to enhance the lives of gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people in the Equality State by providing: Education, Information, Activities, Support, a Networking System, and an Advocacy System for people impacted by gender and sexual orientation issues.

www.conservativecolorado.com...

Now we have the government mandating that all children should be okay with having children of the opposite sex in their bathroom.

Yes, there is an obvious and blatant affront to religious freedom, and to impose the values and views of a group of people upon the rest.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Is there are is there not a law that prohibits discrimination based on sex in federally funded education? Based on that, couldn't non-adherence to this law result in lawsuits or removal of federal funding?

Isn't Obama just pointing out facts that currently exist? How is that authoritarian?

...If there were restrooms for women and none for men that would be discrimination...But since that's not the case there is no discrimination...

originally posted by: tkwasny
There is no legal avenue for the teeth of enforcement. Funding to schools is current law passed by congress and signed by the president. That cannot be unwound without an act of congress.

Regardless, the president does not have the equivalent of a line item veto nor can trigger points be instituted in a budget. The money is either issued and is distributed or it is withheld and not in the budget.

People are over reacting...They should just sit back, point their fingers at Obama and laugh, a lot...

I'd go after the BALLs but i can't find them. I think they've been removed or something.


ugh... groan...

a reply to: kaylaluv

Thanks for that. I'd really not kept track of this issue. I hadn't even heard about the Cali experience.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Nobody is attacking the Christian religion. Christians are free to worship in church. They are free to abstain from sex before marriage, or birth control or abortions. They are free to believe gayness is a mental illness, no matter how uninformed that is. They are free to suppress their own homosexuality if they want to choose religion over happiness. They are free to use the bathroom of their biological status at birth.

They should not be free to block other people's rights. They should not be free to deny birth control access to people who 'believe' in birth control. They should not be free to make abortion rights illegal for rational people who don't 'believe' it's murder. They should not be free to force a transgender person to use a restroom that doesn't correspond to the sex they feel they were born as in their heart and soul- and with no intention of raping or molesting anyone, just a desire to take a leak. They should not be free to prevent people in love from being married and enjoying the insurance, power of attorney and tax benefits that come with it. They should not be free to prevent gay couples from adopting children and giving them loving homes.

Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves. And we urge you, brothers, admonish the idle, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with them all.
See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seeks to do good to one another and to everyone.
I Thessalonians 5:11-5:15

You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to like it. But according to your own God you should be loving and kind to others, not going out of your way to put them down and make their lives harder. And, might I add, it's mighty pretentious to think you know the will of God enough to pass judgement on others. God put these people on earth, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't just for Christians to jack with them.

Love thy neighbor, yo!

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

What does your religion have to do with where somebody else pees?

I haven't taken a catechism class in many years, but I don't recall any lessons on bathrooms.

Furthermore, citing "freedom of religion" as somehow being related to where people pee is in contravention of Supreme Court rulings that hold "the law of God is not superior to the law of the land." The court has ruled time and time again that while a person may hold any belief they damn well please, they do not have the right to act on every belief they hold.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Your first story is in the UK, where church and state are not separate. Your other story is just one group making a statement, nothing more - I see no indication that any church in the U.S. has been or will be forced to perform a same sex marriage ceremony under threat of being shut down by the government.

Where kids go to the bathroom/locker room in public schools has nothing to do with freedom of religion.

This is all kind of absurd. Especially with obama getting involved in such issues. Transgenders will go into what bathroom theynfeel comfortaboe with. No law is going to stop that. Trans folk have not been accepted for awhile. Now that they are accepted, people treat every tran issue like a national debate. Its absurd. Im glad lgbt is being discussed on some level because they are still truely suffering worldwide. Yet, it is getting slighty overblown at this point. We still have things like homeless folk, high unemployement, faulty drug wars, ridiculous laws, factory farming, insane politicians, legal public pollution ect...