U.S. Gives Sweeping Guidance to Schools on Transgender Students

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Tempter

My point is that according to the vast majority of mental health experts, gender dysphoria is NOT a mental illness.

I disagree. Did you read the link?

It is a mental disorder.

GID is classified as a disorder by the ICD-10 CM[7] and DSM-5 (called gender dysphoria)

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Tempter

What's ironic is, you may have been around a transgender person and not even known it. (GASP!)

Again, that's cool. I hope those people are happy.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Tempter

Didn't twist a single word. "Nice one" trying to create distance from them though!

I notice you don't answer how any of that has anything to do with where they pee. The issue isn't who you decide to be friends with. Nobody is forcing you to have trans friends. So what your reasons are for not having any trans friends may be doesn't really pertain to the issue in any way.

Not sure how you use the restroom, but I don't go to them to hang out and make friends with people.

I already explained this. I don't want to be around them. Period. These feelings only increase in a bathroom.

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Tempter

My point is that according to the vast majority of mental health experts, gender dysphoria is NOT a mental illness.

I disagree. Did you read the link?

It is a mental disorder.

It was carefully written on purpose so those with Gender Dysphoria would qualify under their insurance.

It is not considered a mental disorder, except for insurance purposes.

a reply to: Tempter

NOT a mental disorder.

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Tempter

Didn't twist a single word. "Nice one" trying to create distance from them though!

I notice you don't answer how any of that has anything to do with where they pee. The issue isn't who you decide to be friends with. Nobody is forcing you to have trans friends. So what your reasons are for not having any trans friends may be doesn't really pertain to the issue in any way.

Not sure how you use the restroom, but I don't go to them to hang out and make friends with people.

I already explained this. I don't want to be around them. Period. These feelings only increase in a bathroom.

It sounds more like you don't want to be around "fringe" people. Those cast out by society that had to form their own culture.

Hmmmmmm, and who cast them out?

Homeless LGBTQ youth, living on the "fringe", is at epidemic proportions.

Their religious (mostly) parents kick them out.

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm normal. You are not.

It does amaze me how some can spew all kinds of insults (even though they're mostly oblivious to what they're saying), then get all pissy if you call them on it.

I'm not pissy. I haven't insulted anyone here. Your both spouting nonsense.

Maybe in your awareness.

Did you call transgenders "not normal"?

No I didnt. Might wanna check who your deriding before you let loose oh tolerant one.

Pretty sure that was me. I was disparaging the term 'cis-gender' as innane liberal verbiage.

a reply to: Tempter

Do these transgender ladies look like homeless wackjobs to you? If you saw one of them on the street, would you scream like a little girl and run away in horror?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: In4ormant

Here we go. People are going to be marrying their dogs and their toasters if we allow gays to marry each other.

That tired and ridiculous rebuttal was started by the Left to make the entire issue sound so bizarre that most people will automatically assume anything even remotely connected to the issues is trash.

Inanimate objects and animals are not mentioned in the 14th Amendment.

Still haven't gotten any takers on where the line is drawn.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: TonyS

The way I understand it is, these trans kids feel either safer or more comfortable going to the restroom of their affirmed gender, regardless of whether they are on hormones yet, or whether they are preparing for sexual reassignment surgery. At this point, they are usually just dressed like their affirmed gender, including hairstyles, make up, etc. It depends on their age as to whether they are on puberty blockers or hormones. The schools require that the parents of these kids contact administration to let them know that they are transgender (just meaning that they identify as the opposite gender from their birth sex and are undergoing counseling/puberty blocking/hormones/whatever).

Forcing them to go against their affirmed gender, while allowing others to go to the restrooms of their affirmed gender is seen as discrimination. Forcing these trans kids to go to "special" bathrooms, like the staff bathroom, sets them apart from everyone else, which would also be seen as discrimination (kind of like separate bathrooms for blacks).

As far as locker rooms and showers, most trans kids don't feel comfortable going to either boys or girls, so they usually try to opt out altogether, or they try to be as discreet as possible (but that's pretty much what all kids do).

Some states, like California, have had these anti-discrimination laws in place for many years now, so schools there have been allowing trans kids to go to the restrooms of their affirmed gender for a long time. There doesn't appear to be any great issue there.

mediamatters.org...

"Affirmed"? Meaning the parents found a hack who said the easiest thing to do is coddle their delusions...

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Tempter

Do these transgender ladies look like homeless wackjobs to you? If you saw one of them on the street, would you scream like a little girl and run away in horror?

No, they dont. No, I wouldn't.

a reply to: Annee

What do you mean there's no question?

You're obviously very strong on transgendered rights. The natural and logical extension of that is how to protect their rights while protecting the rights of the others. Simply whining about how unfair everything is for them doesn't accomplish that.

If you haven't considered how to fairly protect their rights without discriminating against others, to the point you don't even think it's a question or an issue, then frankly you're just blowing hot air and you're not concerned about their rights or treatment, of them or the other 99%.

It's far easier to sit their and whine about how unfair everything is for the fraction of the population which is transgendered than it is to come up with a solution. I hope for their sake they have some problem solvers representing them instead of whiners.

What you've presented is:

Person A: The transgendered are discriminated against, people of all ages suffer because they aren't accepted in society and are discriminated against, they even commit suicide over it. If you don't see that, you're a bigot and ignorant.

Person B: Ok, so what is your solution to protect their rights, end the discrimination agains them and allow both the transgendered and everyone else to get along with their rights protected?

Person A: I don't understand. That's not even a question. I haven't considered a solution because the question of a solution doesn't exist. I don't care enough about this to consider a solution.

And what exactly is anyone supposed to make of that aside from it's a bunch in insincere whining?

originally posted by: In4ormant
Still haven't gotten any takers on where the line is drawn.

It should be drawn democratically. Let's vote on it!

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Tempter

Didn't twist a single word. "Nice one" trying to create distance from them though!

I notice you don't answer how any of that has anything to do with where they pee. The issue isn't who you decide to be friends with. Nobody is forcing you to have trans friends. So what your reasons are for not having any trans friends may be doesn't really pertain to the issue in any way.

Not sure how you use the restroom, but I don't go to them to hang out and make friends with people.

I already explained this. I don't want to be around them. Period. These feelings only increase in a bathroom.

Oddly enough, I'm quite confident they probably have even less interest in being around you and your curled lip than you have in being around them.

And yet everybody has to pee somewhere. I'm gobsmacked that you seem convinced that the act of sharing a public restroom with somebody has any effect on you.

Them there queers need their own bathrooms around back, amirite?

a reply to: xuenchen

Are you telling me that no one from the right ever said that if we allow gays to marry, then we would have all kinds of crazies jumping out of the woodwork to marry their dogs or a turtle or the Eiffel Tower? Seriously?

Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, told a group of Tea Party supporters on a conference call that gay marriage would be a slippery slope to polygamy and bestiality.

"When you say it's not a man and a woman anymore, then why not have three men and one woman or four women and one man?" Gohmert asked. "Or why not, you know, somebody has a love for an animal or-? There is no clear place to draw a line once you eliminate the traditional marriage."

abcnews.go.com...

One of the oldest tricks in the book when it comes to scaring people into not supporting gay marriage is using the “slippery slope” method.

You tell people that if gay marriage is made legal, it’s only a matter of time before the state or country will be full of polygamists or men marrying turtles, as Bill O’Reilly has suggested, or, as Michele Bachmann’s new Iowa campaign Co-Chair, Tamara Scott, is warning, women marrying the Eiffel Tower.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

How quickly the right forgets the "red herring"...

a reply to: Tempter

Awesome. That's a small step forward for you. You are broadening your knowledge of transgender people beyond your limited experience.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Those "hacks" are following the guidelines of the American Psychiatric Association, not Billy Bob's Come to Jesus "Pray the Gay Away" Revival Organization.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: Annee

What do you mean there's no question?

You're obviously very strong on transgendered rights.

NO

I support Equal Treatment/Equal Rights. Usually a minority being bullied by a majority.

I also have no patience for ignorance, especially intentional "padlocked brain" not going to budge ignorance.

If your right to go to the bathroom of your gender (in the brain) is not being infringed, you have your equal rights.

Because you don't understand transgender or don't like it - - - too bad - - - your rights to go to the bathroom is not being infringed.

For people who are so stuck on the cause and haven't considered solution, this is an example of potential issues.

But some girls at the high school say Student A has not fully transitioned, which makes some of them uncomfortable sharing a locker room.

“What bothers me is the fact that this student is still anatomically a male,” a 16-year-old sophomore told The Daily Signal on the condition of anonymity. “If the student had already undergone surgical procedures, this would be another story entirely, but as it stands I just don’t feel comfortable with it.”

A 15-year-old told The Daily Signal “it just doesn’t feel right.”

“I know Student A poses no harm to me, but it just doesn’t feel right knowing someone with male anatomy is in the bathroom with me,” she said, adding:

I have nothing against Student A and would be her friend if I knew her better, but when it comes down to it, I don’t feel right changing in the same room as a transgender student. The locker room is already filled with so much judgment, and I barely feel OK changing in front of my naturally born girl peers.

A third student, a 16-year-old sophomore, expressed frustration.

“[W]e are supposed to accept this and feel like nothing really is happening, but the fact of the matter is that this did get pretty big and now we have someone with male genitals in our girls’ locker room when we are changing,” she said.

We have a school who wanted to do the right thing and protect the rights of a 15 yr old boy who identifies as a girl. The problem? He's still anatomically a male. So we end up with a a male teen, along with his manhood still intact, changing in the girls locker room with other 15, 16 and 17 year old girls.

Many are caught up on his "rights". How about the rights of the girls in that locker room who not only prefer to not change with a naked male but also don't want to be seen themselves, undressing, around a naked male?

And it doesn't appear full grown adults could handle this. Identifying as a woman or not, if a guy with a penis walked into my gym's women's locker room, undressed and jumped in the showers, the women would riot. To put this situation on teens who generally are far more self- conscious seems ridiculous.

When adults decide it's fine to have coed locker rooms with mixed anatomy, then at least some of the arguments hold weight. But adults in our society aren't ready for that. Expecting teens to handle and simply deal with situations adults won't is the height of ridiculousness.