U.S. Gives Sweeping Guidance to Schools on Transgender Students

a reply to: Tempter

From your link:

The American Psychiatric Association, publisher of the DSM-5, states that "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder.

I think they are taking a big chance and they probably know it, and they probably just don’t care. After all, if a man dressed as a woman is carrying a weapon (even if it is a part of his own anatomy) that can harm women or worse yet little girls then they should not be allowed to expose themselves and use the same bathroom. I know stalls no exposure, but a pervert is probably not going to use a stall.

So if they still possess the weapon, then they should be kept from the woman’s bathroom. I however, that if they have gone through a full sex change, and they no longer possess the weapon than by all means come into any woman’s bathroom they please.

Possession should be nine tenths of the law at least when it comes to male anatomy and the woman’s bathroom.

originally posted by: Tempter
I find they are mostly confused on multiple levels

Picture if you can how a person growing up feeling with all their soul that they are a woman/man, and to be trapped in the body of a man/woman might feel. Add to that the unrelenting social pressure (humans are social animals) of how one is 'supposed' to act when a man or woman, and how that would conflict with how you really feel.

Some degree of confusion would be pretty understandable.

, are social outcasts

So now try to picture how it must feel to ALWAYS have to be on guard... maybe your own parents and siblings might consider you a 'freak' or 'pervert' just because you happen to be mixed up on how you feel and how you look from the outside. You have to be extremely careful who finds out the truth about you, and you run a very real risk of getting beat up or killed for the same reason... your insides don't match your outsides.

It is not by their choice that some transgender people are social outcasts.

and also experience financial difficulties

So it is really hard to find a job, because any time any boss finds out the truth about you, they can fire you for no reason other than that your insides don't match your outsides. So you have to settle for anything you can get. Those jobs don't often pay very well. Add to that the trouble you can easily have just finding a place to live.

It is not surprising that many transgender people have economic challenges above and beyond the norm.

These aren't the type of people I want around me or my kids.

So you are not comfortable being around people who have been put through the wringer, often for no reason other than that their insides don't match their outsides...

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm normal. You are not.

It does amaze me how some can spew all kinds of insults (even though they're mostly oblivious to what they're saying), then get all pissy if you call them on it.

I'm not pissy. I haven't insulted anyone here. Your both spouting nonsense.

Maybe in your awareness.

Did you call transgenders "not normal"?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Tempter
Transgender people can literally, by virtue of their numbers, be labeled freaks of nature. That's what we're dealing with here. Freaks.

I know that isn't very nice to hear, but percentage-wise they truly are.

Redheads and Lefthanders would be considered freaks by your way of thinking.

I suppose you're right. But I have experience with redheads (I myself have red hair along with my two boys), and the difference to me isn't shocking or seem unnatural. Boys acting like girls does. Girls wanting to use boys bathrooms do.

Hair color isn't a mental illness.

If your body was totally mangled, you'd still know in your brain who you are. Even though looking at your mangled physical body doesn't match what's in your brain.

It's not a boy acting like a girl. It's a girl (in her brain), who happened to be born into the wrong packaging.

You'll find no argument here regarding a diagnosis. I'm not qualified to resond to that. What I am able to say is I'm not comfortable being around people with a mental illness. In my mind it's an indication it's only the tip of the iceberg in terms of what may be wrong mentally or biologically.

Have you ever seen a person have a seizure up close? I have, only a few times. Anyways, when it happened I had a very PROFOUND reaction to it, watching this person malfunction they way they did. It was a very powerful seizure and it shook me to the core because I was young and I'd never seen anyone "break" like that. It felt very unnatural to me and I was scared of it and have been since that day.

I get the same uneasiness around Trans people, persons with obvious mental retardation and other visually unnatural behavior. Can you blame me for not being normalized to thsee experiences? Can you really not understand why I don't want to be around those things?

It's nothing personal.

a reply to: StarsInDust

What about men hurting little boys in the men's room with their "weapon"? Guess we need to ban men from the men's room then, as long as they have their "weapon".

a reply to: Tempter

Just curious:

What does any of that have to do with where they pee? You have a problem with somebody peeing in the same place you do because they have financial problems? How do ever find anywhere to pee?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm normal. You are not.

It does amaze me how some can spew all kinds of insults (even though they're mostly oblivious to what they're saying), then get all pissy if you call them on it.

I'm not pissy. I haven't insulted anyone here. Your both spouting nonsense.

Maybe in your awareness.

Did you call transgenders "not normal"?

No I didnt. Might wanna check who your deriding before you let loose oh tolerant one.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Tempter

From your link:

The American Psychiatric Association, publisher of the DSM-5, states that "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder.

I'm not sure what your point is. Gender non-conformity is being pointed out in that article to differentiate between an actual diagnosis of gender dysphoria vs someone refusing to conform to a specific birth gender. The point of that sentence was to show the difference between the two.

Or are you saying that if I choose to to not conform to my birth gender because I want to revolt against society, and not because my brain is telling me I'm actually different, that I should be able to use the opposite bathroom?

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic

originally posted by: Tempter
I find they are mostly confused on multiple levels

Picture if you can how a person growing up feeling with all their soul that they are a woman/man, and to be trapped in the body of a man/woman might feel. Add to that the unrelenting social pressure (humans are social animals) of how one is 'supposed' to act when a man or woman, and how that would conflict with how you really feel.

Some degree of confusion would be pretty understandable.

, are social outcasts

So now try to picture how it must feel to ALWAYS have to be on guard... maybe your own parents and siblings might consider you a 'freak' or 'pervert' just because you happen to be mixed up on how you feel and how you look from the outside. You have to be extremely careful who finds out the truth about you, and you run a very real risk of getting beat up or killed for the same reason... your insides don't match your outsides.

It is not by their choice that some transgender people are social outcasts.

and also experience financial difficulties

So it is really hard to find a job, because any time any boss finds out the truth about you, they can fire you for no reason other than that your insides don't match your outsides. So you have to settle for anything you can get. Those jobs don't often pay very well. Add to that the trouble you can easily have just finding a place to live.

It is not surprising that many transgender people have economic challenges above and beyond the norm.

These aren't the type of people I want around me or my kids.

So you are not comfortable being around people who have been put through the wringer, often for no reason other than that their insides don't match their outsides...

Yes, I'm sorry if it is cold hearted.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Tempter

Just curious:

What does any of that have to do with where they pee? You have a problem with somebody peeing in the same place you do because they have financial problems? How do ever find anywhere to pee?

Lol, good one.

But you've clearly twisted my words. Financial problems are just one of the things I attribute to Trans people on a general level. It's not the ONLY reason I choose not to be around them.

a reply to: Tempter

Didn't twist a single word. "Nice one" trying to create distance from them though!

I notice you don't answer how any of that has anything to do with where they pee. The issue isn't who you decide to be friends with. Nobody is forcing you to have trans friends. So what your reasons are for not having any trans friends may be doesn't really pertain to the issue in any way.

Not sure how you use the restroom, but I don't go to them to hang out and make friends with people.

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm normal. You are not.

It does amaze me how some can spew all kinds of insults (even though they're mostly oblivious to what they're saying), then get all pissy if you call them on it.

I'm not pissy. I haven't insulted anyone here. Your both spouting nonsense.

Maybe in your awareness.

Did you call transgenders "not normal"?

No I didnt. Might wanna check who your deriding before you let loose oh tolerant one.

Just asking.

I do have to sleep sometimes.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Tempter

Didn't twist a single word. "Nice one" trying to create distance from them though!

I notice you don't answer how any of that has anything to do with where they pee. The issue isn't who you decide to be friends with. Nobody is forcing you to have trans friends. So what your reasons are for not having any trans friends may be doesn't really pertain to the issue in any way.

Not sure how you use the restroom, but I don't go to them to hang out and make friends with people.

I'm curious as to where it ends. Does it end at restrooms?

Does it overlap into sports teams?
All girl schools?
All boys schools?
Augusta Country Club?
Stripclubs?
Movie roles?

Where is the line at or is everyone proposing there is no line?

a reply to: Tempter

What's ironic is, you may have been around a transgender person and not even known it. (GASP!)

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: In4ormant

I'm normal. You are not.

It does amaze me how some can spew all kinds of insults (even though they're mostly oblivious to what they're saying), then get all pissy if you call them on it.

I'm not pissy. I haven't insulted anyone here. Your both spouting nonsense.

Maybe in your awareness.

Did you call transgenders "not normal"?

No I didnt. Might wanna check who your deriding before you let loose oh tolerant one.

Just asking.

I do have to sleep sometimes.

And you weren't asking you said I got pissy when called out.

I'll give ya a pass, you been holding down the minority viewpoint in this thread for a while. Probably hard to keep track of them all.

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Tempter
Transgender people can literally, by virtue of their numbers, be labeled freaks of nature. That's what we're dealing with here. Freaks.

I know that isn't very nice to hear, but percentage-wise they truly are.

Redheads and Lefthanders would be considered freaks by your way of thinking.

I suppose you're right. But I have experience with redheads (I myself have red hair along with my two boys), and the difference to me isn't shocking or seem unnatural. Boys acting like girls does. Girls wanting to use boys bathrooms do.

Hair color isn't a mental illness.

If your body was totally mangled, you'd still know in your brain who you are. Even though looking at your mangled physical body doesn't match what's in your brain.

It's not a boy acting like a girl. It's a girl (in her brain), who happened to be born into the wrong packaging.

Have you ever seen a person have a seizure up close?

Yes.

My mom had polio when I was 5. She belonged to a disabled club. All kinds of disabilities. I grew up with these people who were physically "different". Just like any group of people, they varied on personality and temperament. Some were nice, some were not. But, they were who they were, not their disability.

Uncomfortable I can understand. Open minded, but curious I can understand.

Shunning them just because they are "different"? That I don't understand.

a reply to: Tempter

My point is that according to the vast majority of mental health experts, gender dysphoria is NOT a mental illness.

a reply to: In4ormant

Here we go. People are going to be marrying their dogs and their toasters if we allow gays to marry each other.

a reply to: In4ormant

It's hard to keep track of all the insults thrown at the transgender folks, I'll grant you that.