U.S. Gives Sweeping Guidance to Schools on Transgender Students

a reply to: kaylaluv

I have no problem with Jenna as pictured using the womens washroom, she isn't going to disturb or scare anybody.

I do have a problem with what happened in the news not long ago when a guy claimed to be transitioning but was obviously all man went into swimming pool change room with little girls that were changing and proclaimed it was his right to be here since the laws had changed.
Guys can pretend to be confused about their gender and perv out the womens washroom, but I guess it's worth it to you.
How are teachers suppose to determine when it's real or fake, and if they make the wrong call they could lose their job???
Welcome to crazytown, this is insanity.

a reply to: tnhiker

What are you talking about? We already have laws to deal with sexual predators.
This is about where to pee. Everybody pees.
Predators will commit their crimes regardless of laws about potties. One has zero to do with the other. .

originally posted by: syrinx high priest

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: soulwaxer

I challenge you to find ONE case where a true transgender accosting anyone in a restroom.

I'm trying to find a post where anyone said that would happen. From what I have seen the concern is about standard sexual predators using the lowered security to stalk, voyeur, take pics, etc. Plus discomfort from the other people in the restroom if the 'odd man out' is obviously displaying the opposite genitalia of the room they are using.

lowered security ?

what ?

By allowing a man to go into a women's restroom with the backing of government force, a layer of security has been removed.

Previously, a correct gender person inside the restroom could have told an opposite gender person to get out. They could have called security to escort the opposite gender person out.

Previously, A husband/father waiting outside the lady's room for his wife or daughter to come out could stop an obvious male from entering the lady's room.

Now, they cannot take pre-emptive action. The opposite gender person has the law on their side, in places where liberal politicians want to show how 'compassionate' they are.

THAT IS INSANE.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Many states are already doing this. The responsible ones that didn't need to be told the right thing to do.
Some of those stubborn southern states though... they need to be told .

If that is how states and localities want to handle their business, so be it. The federal government should stay out of the issue.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: kaylaluv

I have no problem with Jenna as pictured using the womens washroom, she isn't going to disturb or scare anybody.

I do have a problem with what happened in the news not long ago when a guy claimed to be transitioning but was obviously all man went into swimming pool change room with little girls that were changing and proclaimed it was his right to be here since the laws had changed.
Guys can pretend to be confused about their gender and perv out the womens washroom, but I guess it's worth it to you.
How are teachers suppose to determine when it's real or fake, and if they make the wrong call they could lose their job???
Welcome to crazytown, this is insanity.

Let's be honest about this situation too. That dude was gonna be a perv no matter where he decided to change or pee but.......there are real concerns on the part of MANY people who seem to have their voices drowned out by others and when they voice that concern, real or imagined, they are labeled. No one is waving "I hate trans people" signs in the street. But they are being vilified as such because their concerns are met with such disdain and largely ignored.

This is where our country has a real problem going forward

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Regarding schools, did you read the part in the letter where it's required for the parents of the trans kid to communicate to the school officials what's going on with their kid? This way, the school knows exactly who the transgender kids are. Trust me, all the students know who the real transgender kids are. Any cis-gender 16 year old boy who wants to get into the restroom to peak on the girls is not going to be allowed to, no matter how much he says he feels like a girl that day.

Not to freak you out or anything, but lesbians can be pervs in the women's room too.

Seriously, where the hell did 'cis-gendered' come from? I prefer 'normal'

It's like liberal *need* to create buzz words for every thing in their lives. Simplicity is best.

Normal.

a reply to: syrinx high priest

Uh, did you read what I wrote?

I'm not for or against anything, its not an issue that affects me.........no kids in school, so I don't care how it turns out.

What my comment was directed at was the fact that Obama, in his "directives", is bringing about an unintended consequence of pushing the State and Local level officials and administrations even further from the Federal government.

Put another way, its demonstrating that the "fault lines" are widening every week.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Seriously, where the hell did 'cis-gendered' come from? I prefer 'normal'

It's like liberal *need* to create buzz words for every thing in their lives. Simplicity is best.

Normal.

That made me laugh

You know there's no funding without a label mate!

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: syrinx high priest

Uh, did you read what I wrote?

I'm not for or against anything, its not an issue that affects me.........no kids in school, so I don't care how it turns out.

What my comment was directed at was the fact that Obama, in his "directives", is bringing about an unintended consequence of pushing the State and Local level officials and administrations even further from the Federal government.

Put another way, its demonstrating that the "fault lines" are widening every week.

I believe you and I are of the same mind here.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

It's actually a technical medical term coined by doctors, psychologists and endocrinologists.

But if technical terms are too difficult (and not transphobic enough) for you, do what you gotta do.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: Annee

haha kids don't care? You're funny Annie.

That's like saying One Size Fits All, so deal with it, then having a fit because people don't agree with you trying to force a square into a circle or a triangle or whatever your twisted version of reality wants other people to agree with.

Kids are influenced by their parents neuroses.

If we accept your 'neuroses' explanation for a moment, does this mean you believe children should be influenced by *your* neuroses instead of their parents'?

I teach my kids "people are their heart".

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Previously, A husband/father waiting outside the lady's room for his wife or daughter to come out could stop an obvious male from entering the lady's room.

So what would said husband/father/boyfriend do then, if a transgender male (i.e. someone who identifies as male but who was born female), complete with beard and mustache tries to conform to one of these stupid laws and use the women's rest room?

What then?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Teikiatsu

It's actually a technical medical term coined by doctors, psychologists and endocrinologists.

But if technical terms are too difficult (and not transphobic enough) for you, do what you gotta do.

Personal attacks now huh

LifeSiteNews, a Christian website covering stories appealing to social conservatives (pro-life, anti-gay, you get the drift) has plenty of stories worth picking apart, but they’re not interested in a true dislogue.

originally posted by: Open_Minded Skeptic

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Previously, A husband/father waiting outside the lady's room for his wife or daughter to come out could stop an obvious male from entering the lady's room.

So what would said husband/father/boyfriend do then, if a transgender male (i.e. someone who identifies as male but who was born female), complete with beard and mustache tries to conform to one of these stupid laws and use the women's rest room?

What then?

There is already cases of lesbians being thrown out of women's restrooms because of their appearance.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: kaylaluv

I do have a problem with what happened in the news not long ago when a guy claimed to be transitioning but was obviously all man went into swimming pool change room with little girls that were changing and proclaimed it was his right to be here since the laws had changed.

It was a straight guy and he never claimed to be transitioning.

He was being obnoxious in saying these laws give him the right to be in the women's locker room.

a reply to: In4ormant

I am not the one who was putting down transgender people.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Seriously, where the hell did 'cis-gendered' come from? I prefer 'normal'

It's like liberal *need* to create buzz words for every thing in their lives. Simplicity is best.

Normal.

It is a way of avoiding "normal" and "abnormal" so as not to define those terms to the detriment of the "trans" folk. "Cis" means on the same side and "trans" means across from, borrowed from organic chemistry. Cis = you are as you were born. Trans = you are not as you were born. Given the latest confusion of who is what and various definitions and splinter groups redefining their positions in the gender spectrum, it is a concise way of stating things that seems to solve the problem without entanglement in strange definitions. We have better things to do than to worry about contrived, tortuous definitions.
Some profs are also avoiding pronouns and using last names only because of the confusion. There are some dolts who want new pronouns such as 'xe' but that also requires knowledge of what people prefer to be called, exacerbating the problem and making the physics class one of psychology and politics. Many, self included, can't be bothered with this nonsensical stuff, and avoid the problem. When last names reflect gender, such as in the Russian language, one presumes that the individuals involved will put the proper ending on.

a reply to: Annee

Yep... that's how it starts. Then at some point some mouth-breathing knuckle dragger who can barely generate enough brain power to walk and who thinks they have a direct line to God's Word is going to decide they have the authority to do anything about it, and somebody is going to get killed or hurt.

Then we'll be hearing for months about how violent the trans-gender community is.