Proof that the Bible was not written by mankind!

a reply to: GetHyped

Very funny

originally posted by: jimmyriddler
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I just gave you a link so you can see the calculations and confirm yourself.

And I just told you that I don't care about that. I care about the claim you made earlier in the thread about this idea having been confirmed by others.

Oh yeah. I have a new question. If the number 7 is so important to these "calculations", why are they done in base 10 and not base 7? In fact, I can invalidate literally every one of your calculations by just changing the base.

PS: I put calculations in quotations because they aren't really calculations. They are just confirmation bias arbitrarily giving meaning to random numbers then applying various mathematical expressions to numbers so the result is your arbitrary number. All of your calculations are meaningless. Hence why I don't need to perform them.

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
But we know the Bible was written by man. Interesting stuff... I find it difficult to accept this as proof of what is suggested in the OP though.

The collection we call the Bible was written by a number of men, the Bible itself attests to that, but the OP shows that these individual men were just the writing instruments. The mind revealed to be ultimately behind the Bible, exceeds even exceptional human capability.

So, if a mind greater than any human mind directed the writing of the Bible, the set of possible authors is small. Why not then attribute it to the ultimate mind - God (as revealed in the Bible)? I can think of no other apt candidate.

originally posted by: chr0naut
So, if a mind greater than any human mind directed the writing of the Bible, the set of possible authors is small. Why not then attribute it to the ultimate mind - God (as revealed in the Bible)? I can think of no other apt candidate.

-notes all nations since the historic starting of the bible that accepted biblical leadership has become war torn, murderous, crusading blood nations-
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I can think of another candidate actually...

I don't see any proof that God or any supreme being created the Bible?

anyone willing to take the time/patience and have concept of math can do this or a group of people in collaboration to create it. No God needed.

Edit to add..If God did create the Bible then why so many versions of the same book? Gods word cannot be changed or the Bible has failed in giving Gods true word/voice, it's been talking from many sources.


If it was God then he wouldn't want his book/Bible changed cause it may not be correct or taking out of context by others whom read his words/voice...What do i know right?

originally posted by: Klassified
Granting for a moment, that what he says is true about the numbers, it still sounds like...We don't think men could have done it, ergo...god.

I would be interested in seeing peoples response to this as I often see posts continually mocking the Bible without any sound reasoning or argument to the contrary.

There are threads all over ATS showing evidence the bible is full of errors, contradictions, and pseudo-history, let alone the miracles that never happened. You can start with the Flyers Fan threads on Abraham and the Exodus. I think there's plenty of "sound reasoning and argument to the contrary."

... and threads on ATS are NOT full of errors, contradictions and pseudo-history?

We don't really have many archaeological finds relating to Abraham and the Exodus. Many once said that there was none, but as time has passed, supporting archaeology has come to light.

Additionally, the Hebrew peoples did not carve their writings in stone or use clay tablets, they almost exclusively used scrolls made of skins. The Bible attests to this as being established by Moses, probably during the wandering years after the Exodus from Egypt and prior to the taking of Canaan.

A single scroll was not allowed to be touched by human hands and special implements were made to assist in reading the scrolls. This gave each scroll a usable life of 800 years. The transcription process of creating copies of the master scrolls were also highly systematic and accurate. Books of tables were kept that showed word and letter counts. Also, positional placings of significant letters and words are included. The result is that we can be assured that the Hebrew scrolls did not change significantly over time. The most ancient copies of the manuscripts that we have are in extremely close agreement with the more modern Hebrew translations (i.e: the Masoretic), showing that the copying and verification processes did actually work and gives confidence that the sources for the Bible have not changed significantly over time.

As for "miracles that never happened", where is the proof for that statement?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
So numerology is proof that the bible wasn't written by man? Man invented numerology so I don't see how that can be proof of the bible's divinity.

Yeah, just like Newton invented gravity.

originally posted by: jimmyx
gee, isn't it great that everybody back never lied, or told stories, or were psychotic, or were delusional...or never used any drugs of that period.....and the payoff for every religion always happened....AFTER YOU DIED!!!......give all of us critical thinkers a break

No-one is denying that there was just as much woo-woo back then.

Now explain how the gemmatria we see in the Bible got there if it was all BS?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jimmyriddler
Oh cool another one of those threads where people who don't understand what math is and how it works try to misuse math to prove the bible.

Please, explain what math is?

My conception is that math is something to do with numerical systems that we consistently find buried in reality, the majority of these being fairly comprehensively notated in the Principa Mathematica by Isaac Newton.

The mathematics used in the gematria of the Bible is very easy and consistent with the Principa Mathematica.

a reply to: chr0naut

No. Numerology and physics are not even CLOSE to the same type of math. Numerology is assigning random and arbitrary meaning to various numbers then trying to pretend like a repeated occurrence of said numbers in a piece of art or document is somehow meaningful in regards to a deeper meaning (usually derived from preexisting biases the person has). Numerology simply falls apart if you change the base of the numbers you are calculating. Meanwhile, since physics has actual meaning behind its calculations, if you change the base you will still get the same result and same meaning (you may have to convert it to a base you understand to understand the meaning though). To compare physics to numerology like they are on the same level is a completely laughable concept.

Wow, people are so gullibly fanatical about this crap.... and my house wasnt built by a carpenter, the proof is well, I'm too bored already to offer proof other my "the house that God built" crocheted mantle piece. Ughh...

a reply to: chr0naut

and threads on ATS are NOT full of errors, contradictions and pseudo-history?

Plenty. It's up to the reader to research the information.

We don't really have many archaeological finds relating to Abraham and the Exodus. Many once said that there was none, but as time has passed, supporting archaeology has come to light.

What we do have points to myths, legends, and an embellished history.

A single scroll was not allowed to be touched by human hands and special implements were made to assist in reading the scrolls. This gave each scroll a usable life of 800 years. The transcription process of creating copies of the master scrolls were also highly systematic and accurate. Books of tables were kept that showed word and letter counts. Also, positional placings of significant letters and words are included. The result is that we can be assured that the Hebrew scrolls did not change significantly over time. The most ancient copies of the manuscripts that we have are in extremely close agreement with the more modern Hebrew translations (i.e: the Masoretic), showing that the copying and verification processes did actually work and gives confidence that the sources for the Bible have not changed significantly over time.

The same care and discipline could have gone into preserving any ancient text. That doesn't mean the preserved text is truthful or an accurate account.

As for "miracles that never happened", where is the proof for that statement?

Where is the proof for the biblical miracles? If you think the bible is proof, then Homer was no doubt telling the truth about the Cyclops and Sirens. Yet neither the biblical miracles, nor Homer's imagination have any evidence for their existence but a book that says those things happened. The onus is on those who say they did.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: chr0naut
So, if a mind greater than any human mind directed the writing of the Bible, the set of possible authors is small. Why not then attribute it to the ultimate mind - God (as revealed in the Bible)? I can think of no other apt candidate.

-notes all nations since the historic starting of the bible that accepted biblical leadership has become war torn, murderous, crusading blood nations-
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I can think of another candidate actually...

Name a nation which has not "become war torn, murderous, crusading blood" nation?

Name a nation which is ruled by God?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: chr0naut

No. Numerology and physics are not even CLOSE to the same type of math. Numerology is assigning random and arbitrary meaning to various numbers then trying to pretend like a repeated occurrence of said numbers in a piece of art or document is somehow meaningful in regards to a deeper meaning (usually derived from preexisting biases the person has). Numerology simply falls apart if you change the base of the numbers you are calculating. Meanwhile, since physics has actual meaning behind its calculations, if you change the base you will still get the same result and same meaning (you may have to convert it to a base you understand to understand the meaning though). To compare physics to numerology like they are on the same level is a completely laughable concept.

No meaning was attached to the numbers themselves in the OP. It was merely an observation that the numbers seem to be multiples of 7, even down to the counts of the numbers of the letters in words (and their numerical value in alphabetic sequence).

That is why it isn't numerology. We are all calling it gematria, which is different.

... and Physics isn't as rigourously consistent as you say. Depending upon scale, we have to use different equations entirely to describe the quantum realm.

There is no mathematical reason or a physical equation set that fully explains and rationalizes the dichotomy of scale, no Grand Unified Theory. So, that being the case, would you discard Physics on the same principles that you discard a God concept?

a reply to: chr0naut
So seven repeats itself? There are 10 digits to choose from. One of them is bound to show up rather often. It's inevitable. And you can't dodge the fact that your math only works in base 10.

... and Physics isn't as rigourously consistent as you say. Depending upon scale, we have to use different equations entirely to describe the quantum realm.

That has nothing to do with changing the base of the numbers in the calculations.

a reply to: chr0naut

Numerology is a man-made system, gravity is not. There's a huge difference between Newton explaining gravity and men writing numerology into the bible.

Numerology didn't exist until we created it, gravity did exist before we could explain it.

i think we underestimate our old ways, i mean people had amazing memories by being able to recount there own religious works from memory, homer and ancient greeks were known for amazing memory feats so imagine what the mathematician could do.
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originally posted by: jimmyriddler

originally posted by: jimmyx
gee, isn't it great that everybody back never lied, or told stories, or were psychotic, or were delusional...or never used any drugs of that period.....and the payoff for every religion always happened....AFTER YOU DIED!!!......give all of us critical thinkers a break

His works have been scrutinised by many for over 100 years, how does what you say relate to the subject?

they had all kinds of mysticism and religions back then. maybe 7 was important to the BS they were spilling out of their gullet, to the dumb and ignorant at that particular time and location. look, the bible has some good stories and some life lessons...this "bible" you speak of however, is missing some 60 odd books, that were not included, or were simply removed altogether down through it's history. and on top of that, it has gone through the translation "wringer" over 1800 years, with language and dialect changes, where to this day, has biblical scholars arguing over meanings of the words, and contextual understandings of entire passages.....so, to say this guy has the "answers" is to me, simplistic and naïve.

I may be wrong but isn't the bible the "inspired" word of God?. It is, if you adhere to Christianity of course, written by man with inspiration from God.

I mean i'm pretty sure this is accepted amongst all major denominations. I'm not going to go into how early Christianity may have been corrupted from it's original intended teachings, just the "inspired word of God" thing.

I'm not an expert so if i'm wrong here i'd appreciate the correction.

originally posted by: jimmyriddler
His works have been publicly available and studied for over 120 years, and confirmed to be correct.

So how about you show us this "confirmation"!

Funny how threads that have the word "proof" in the title never actually show the proof that they claim!