Proof that the Bible was not written by mankind!

I found the above video and following article to be one of the closest to what could be considered 'proof' for the Bible - the works of numerologist Ivan Panin has been in the public domain since the late 1800's and has yet to be disproved mathematically. He studied the Gemetria of the Bible, which is the numerical value of letters. Some languages such as Hebrew and Greek don't have distinct digits but each letter possesses a numerical value. Gematria is the calculation of the numerical equivalence of letters, words, or phrases.

Some of the things he discovered shows beyond reasonable doubt that the Bible creators could not possibly have been human, or had the ability or knowledge to write the Bible, considering they would have to have colluded together to create it, even though the authors lived at different times and was only compiled much later into what we now know as the Bible. I would be interested in seeing peoples response to this as I often see posts continually mocking the Bible without any sound reasoning or argument to the contrary. For the full article please see

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The Heptadic Structure

The recurrence of the number seven - or an exact multiple of seven - is found throughout the Bible and is widely recognized. The Sabbath on the seventh day; the seven years of plenty and the seven years of famine in Egypt; the seven priests and seven trumpets marching around Jericho; the Sabbath Year of the land are well-known examples.

Also, Solomon's building the Temple for seven years, Naaman's washing in the river seven times, and the seven churches, seven lamp stands, seven seals, seven trumpets, seven bowls, seven stars, and so on in the Book of Revelation, all show the consistent use of the number seven.

But there turns out to be much more below the surface. Ivan Panin noted the amazing numerical properties of the Biblical texts - both the Greek of the New Testament and the Hebrew of the Old Testament. These are not only intriguing to discover, they also demonstrate an intricacy of design which testifies to a supernatural origin!

Vocabulary

One of the simplest - and most provocative - aspects of the Biblical text is the vocabulary used. The number of vocabulary words in a passage is normally different from the total number of words in a passage. Some words are repeated. It is easy, for example, to use a vocabulary of 500 words to write an essay of 4,000 words.

An Example

The first 17 verses of the Gospel of Matthew are a logical unit, or section, which deals with a single principal subject: the genealogy of Christ. It contains 72 Greek vocabulary words in these initial 17 verses. (The verse divisions are man's allocations for convenience, added in the 13th century.)

The number of words which are nouns is exactly 56, or 7 x 8.

The Greek word "the" occurs most frequently in the passage: exactly 56 times, or 7 x 8. Also, the number of different forms in which the article "the" occurs is exactly 7.

There are two main sections in the passage: verse 1-11, and 12-17. In the first main section, the number of Greek vocabulary words used is 49, or 7 x 7.

Why not 48, or 50?

Of these 49 words, the number of those beginning with a vowel is 28, or 7 x 4. The number of words beginning with a consonant is 21, or 7 x 3.

The total numbers of letters in these 49 words is 266, or 7 x 38 - exactly! The number of vowels among these 266 letters is 140, or 7 x 20. The number of consonants is 126, or 7 x 18 - exactly.

Of the 49 words, the number of words which occur more than once is 35, or 7 x 5. The number of words occurring only once is 14, or 7 x 2. The number of words which occur in only one form is exactly 42, or 7 x 6. The number of words appearing in more than one form is also 7.

The number of the 49 Greek vocabulary words which are nouns is 42, or 7 x 6. The number of words which are not nouns is 7. Of the nouns, 35 are proper names, or exactly 7 x 5. These 35 names are used 63 times, or 7 x 9. The number of male names is exactly 28, or 7 x 4. These male names occur 56 times or 7 x 8. The number which are not male names is 7.

Three women are mentioned - Tamar, Rahab, and Ruth. The number of Greek letters in these three names is 14, 7 x 2.

The number of compound nouns is 7. The number of Greek letters in these 7 nouns is 49, or 7 x 7.

Only one city is named in this passage, Babylon, which in Greek contains exactly 7 letters.

And on it goes. To get an indication of just how unique these properties are, try the example in the inset.

Gemetria

There are even more features in the numerical structure of the words themselves. As you may know, both Hebrew and Greek uses the letters of the alphabet for numerical values. Therefore, any specific word - in either Hebrew or Greek - has a numerical value of its own by adding up the values of the letters in that particular word. The study of the numerical values of words is called gemetria.

The 72 vocabulary words add up to a gametrical value of 42,364, or 7 x 6,052. Exactly. If one Greek letter was changed, this would not happen.

The 72 words appear in 90 forms - some appear in more than one form. The numeric value of the 90 forms is 54,075, or 7 x 7,725. Exactly.

We will defer other examples of gametrical properties of the Biblical text for subsequent articles, but it becomes immediately obvious that hidden below the surface are aspects of design that cannot be accidental or just coincidence. Remember, the rabbis say that "coincidence" is not a kosher word!

Other Implications

There are words in the passage just described that occur nowhere else in the New Testament. They occur 42 times (7 x 6) and have 126 letters (7 x 18). How was this organized?

Even if Matthew contrived this characteristic into his Gospel, how could he have known that these specific words - whose sole characteristic is that they are found nowhere else in the New Testament - were not going to be used by the other writers? Unless we assume the absurd hypothesis that he had an agreement with them, he must have had the rest of the New Testament before him when he wrote his book. The Gospel of Matthew, then, must have been written last.

It so happens, however, that the Gospel of Mark exhibits the same phenomenon. It can be demonstrated that it would have had to be written "last." The same phenomenon is found in Luke. And in John, James, Peter, Jude and Paul. Each would have had to write after the other in order to contrive the vocabulary frequencies! You can demonstrate that each of the New Testament books had to have been "written last."

But we know the Bible was written by man. Interesting stuff... I find it difficult to accept this as proof of what is suggested in the OP though.

Granting for a moment, that what he says is true about the numbers, it still sounds like...We don't think men could have done it, ergo...god.

I would be interested in seeing peoples response to this as I often see posts continually mocking the Bible without any sound reasoning or argument to the contrary.

There are threads all over ATS showing evidence the bible is full of errors, contradictions, and pseudo-history, let alone the miracles that never happened. You can start with the Flyers Fan threads on Abraham and the Exodus. I think there's plenty of "sound reasoning and argument to the contrary."

OP you forgot to post the proof.

What about all the proof that it WAS written by man? SMH.

GetHyped
OP you forgot to post the proof.

Tell me which part of the video is incorrect?

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
But we know the Bible was written by man. Interesting stuff... I find it difficult to accept this as proof of what is suggested in the OP though.

We "know" or we "think we know"?

So numerology is proof that the bible wasn't written by man? Man invented numerology so I don't see how that can be proof of the bible's divinity.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
So numerology is proof that the bible wasn't written by man? Man invented numerology so I don't see how that can be proof of the bible's divinity.

I guess you didn't watch the video right?

gee, isn't it great that everybody back never lied, or told stories, or were psychotic, or were delusional...or never used any drugs of that period.....and the payoff for every religion always happened....AFTER YOU DIED!!!......give all of us critical thinkers a break

originally posted by: jimmyx
gee, isn't it great that everybody back never lied, or told stories, or were psychotic, or were delusional...or never used any drugs of that period.....and the payoff for every religion always happened....AFTER YOU DIED!!!......give all of us critical thinkers a break

His works have been scrutinised by many for over 100 years, how does what you say relate to the subject?

a reply to: jimmyriddler
Oh cool another one of those threads where people who don't understand what math is and how it works try to misuse math to prove the bible.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jimmyriddler
Oh cool another one of those threads where people who don't understand what math is and how it works try to misuse math to prove the bible.

His works have been publicly available and studied for over 120 years, and confirmed to be correct. You'll need to try a bit harder than that.

a reply to: jimmyriddler

Man has been to the moon and sent robots to other planets and outside of our own solar system, that seems a lot more impossible than putting numerology into a book yet it's a reality.

There is absolutely nothing stopping man from writing books with numerology at their heart, we're the ones who invented the practice to begin with. Your "proof" is unconvincing.

"In the beginning was Adamu and Lilith, created from the same dirt..." (read "Equal") Better be replaced with:

"In the beginning was Adam and Eve, Eve created with Adam's rib..." (read Female subservient)

They 'probably' also omitted the part about paying taxes when that time came..

But don't read what I typed as I'm currently wearing cotton/lycra and wearing hemp shoes so certainly I'll be en route to Hell (You know if I 'bought in' and didn't cherry pick)

"In for a dime, in for a dollar.."

a reply to: jimmyriddler

Confirmed by who? Other Christians nuts who believe in the bunk science of Numerology? By the way, you saying how long the idea is, you are making an appeal to tradition fallacy. Just because the idea is 120 years old doesn't mean it is true or a good idea.

There is a reason and it is because the shape of the symbol 7 leads to the identity of a guy living right now.



He was born 7 -28-76 and his initials are 322 (C.B.B.)

Just do searches for those numbers and you should find some information about the guy.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Did you watch the video? Any critical thinker could see that it would be impossible to put this numerology into the bible, considering some of the authors were not even properly educated, most of them weren't even alive at the same time or in the same location, yet the maths is still perfect.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Actually he wasn't a christian at all, after studying it for a number of years he was convinced and became a christian later, so you can't just call them 'nuts'.

a reply to: jimmyriddler

The math works because someone went after the fact and made a bunch of loose connections to MAKE the math work. That's how Numerology works. You think of a number then you find all sorts of ways to attach that number to what is said by adding or subtracting numbers to get your number. Yet you can start with ANY number in the word and add or subtract from it to get to your desired number.

Then you carefully discard all the times that your "math" didn't work out correctly, or just manipulate the numbers some more by making it a multiple or factor of the original number (which gives you an infinite number of expanded choices to get to your result).

This all works because people are gullible and because confirmation bias is a thing.