The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

a reply to: Ruiner1978

The Cern Haldron Collider was first fired up September 10, 2008.

a reply to: hidingthistime

"...He appears to know exactly what he is talking about and to be quite sincere and on the ball to me..."

I found him to be sincere, as well. And with it!! And what the heck is this "stuff" or even Old English "stuffe"?????????? I was very religious when younger and don't recall ever seeing that word in the Bible. It's just too weird.
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I keep forgetting to comment on the Interview with The Vampire vs. Interview With A Vampire ME. I, as stated previously, recall it as Interview with The Vampire, and also believe that that makes the most sense. LeStat was out of commission and the rest of the vampires, it seemed, were all dead. So there was only one Vampire left - The Vampire.

Here's a link to an article concerning an interview with Pitt about Interview With The Vampire. It's interesting to note that the next to the last paragraph says Interview With A Vampire. www.nola.com...
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I am open to any and all possibilities and will continue to follow this fascinating issue. I do think some of it is definitely faulty memory. Right now, I am also thinking that my initial gut reaction has it's place here too: Cern Haldron Collider. I cannot wait until I am caught up with this thread so I can actually participate. Right now I am so far behind everyone else, and I apologize for that!

originally posted by: Barcs

I don't claim that it's strictly confined to long term memory issues. I'm just saying you can't rule it out as a likely cause for most of the simple ones, so it's still a valid possibility. You seemed to be claiming that you have ruled it out and debunked it, but you are doing it via faulty comparisons to short term memory and subjective evidence.

10 years ago is hardly recent. That still qualifies as long term memory that gets foggier over time like all memories that aren't rehashed over the years. My point was that you were mistakenly suggesting that something everybody knows like the birthday song or your best friend's name, can be compared to a memory from 10 years back. There are studies that show this isn't true. People definitely remember things differently. It's not just a wild guess.

I'm not looking for easy spelling mistakes. Again, you can google and get 400,000 results for the misspelled word, "rediculous". That isn't evidence of ME, it's evidence that people heard the word over the years and pronounced it with an E because people say it with the long E sound, so they spell it that way. Back before spell check was everywhere, there were probably several times more hits for that word. There are just as many results for many of the MEs and tons of other misspelled words as well. Berenstain qualifies, regardless of how many people think they remember it differently. It's a difference of ONE LETTER. I know folks do not like when skeptics such as myself say things like this, but that doesn't mean we are wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a youtube ME video about "rediculous" changing spelling.

Prolonged exposure is irrelevant when they do not watch it for more than a decade afterwards, plus most people were children when they watched Mr Rogers. Memories deteriorate over time, do you not believe this? I watched Mr Rogers as a kid, THIS vs THE is another easy mistake to make. And you know what? I did remember it as THE when I hadn't seen it for almost 30 years, but after watching the intro song a few times on youtube recently, it came back to me and THIS actually is what I remember from childhood. It just needed to be refreshed in my mind to realize it was always that way. That's how the song always was, THE is just easier to say and remember, so folks remember it that way.

That why I'm saying we need to focus on MEs that are major, rather than distracting ourselves from the issue with simple misspellings and THIS vs THE that appeal to childhood emotions and memories. I'm looking for solid examples where numerous people remember a major event much differently and it isn't a simple misspelling or difference of a one letter or word. Can you name some of those things?

How about we discuss some major examples of ME, then? I'm tired of discussing Berenstein / THIS / Mcintyre / NO vs Luke, etc as well. If this thing is real it goes far beyond simple name spellings and old quotes. That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of.

Another easy mistake. 1 depend plus 1 depend = 2 DependS. It's easy to see how this mistake originated. You buy a pack of Depends. People add on the S to imply more than 1 or even a "pair" of depends, kind of like a pair of pants. Are we going to ever discuss these major MEs?

Misremembering is not being wholly ruled out, but it is the most miniscule of possibilities amongst all other possibilities. And that is the way it's going to remain regardless of how many barrages of "rational explanations" involving memory are thrown at us. The knowingness is as strong for many of these ME's as your knowingness is of the names of your parents and siblings, or what kind of car you own when you're not in it. As much of a possibility as you accept of being wrong about those things is about on par with the level of possibility many of us have that we are "misremembering."

As for what you call the "simple ones," I'm assuming you consider the Depend(s) ME a simple one. But it has been established in the new ME thread here in Skunk Works that this one cannot be a long-term memory mistake, because Depends never went away. They have been on the market for 30 or more years, so they have remained contemporary in the collective psyche throughout. Being one of the more "recent" ME's, this is not a case of "remembering differently," but a case of a sudden inexplicable change infiltrating into many consciousnesses at this juncture.

Now, you say "10 years is hardly recent," implying that the more time goes by, the more likely things are to be misremembered. That may be true in a "baseline" sense, in a scientifically cookie cutter sense, but remember, we are talking about repetitive, ingrained memories established over prolonged periods of time. Do you really and truly think you would be likely to forget the lyrics to Happy Birthday if 10 years were to pass without you singing or hearing it? Do you really think you would be likely to forget the name of a close friend or immediate family member after not seeing or talking to them for 10 years?

If you have that little confidence in your memory, you may want to keep yourself in a padded room, away from sharp objects.

I keep using the Happy Birthday example because it is the most comparable "simple song" I can think of in regards to the Mr. Rogers theme song. If there are now 17 and 18 year-olds claiming adamantly (and there are) they are certain of a different version they heard repeatedly 10 or less years ago, how likely is it that they are all "misremembering" the exact same alteration? No one is claiming to remember "our neighborhood," or "your neighborhood," etc. At some point, deductive reasoning about these type of things should start being used by the skeptics.

You yourself claim you remembered it as "the" also, but after watching a few times, you just accepted that you were wrong and had misremembered. Why would you ever do this??? Several of us in this thread have talked about how thinking about it too much or overanalyzing begins to put uncertainties into our psyche that conflicts with the intuitive knowingness within, and this is a dangerous slope. Tangible evidence be damned.

There are multiple implications of this "Mandela Effect," and one of the aspects of it is that there is a now a war being waged for consciousness; in actuality, it is an agenda of soul-enslavement. It would be very detrimental at this point to abandon your intuition and inner-knowingness for things that can be "verified" from outside of yourself, such as through "tangible evidence."

Many, whether consciously or subconsciously, are deathly afraid of what is happening here; not frightened by the Mandela Effect itself, but by the implications of the Mandela Effect. It may be wise to do a self-examination and see if this applies.

The Mandela Effect is a double-edged sword. It may be uncomfortable to face when confronted with it, but accepting it while also holding fast to your truth within will ultimately bring redemption; rejecting it will only drive out your inner-truth more and more, ultimately resulting in the relinquishing of your own soul to the nefarious entities who are orchestrating these anomalies for that very purpose.

Hey TombEscaper: I've read most of this burgeoning thread, and have been quite interested in the anecdotal, the visceral responses to fight the ever rising consciousness of such and all inbetween.....

Unfortunately, it all seems to descend into nitpicking, because, in part, I think, it's all we have to try to nail it down as something other than a memory slip. But memory slips can be caused, too....and I think that's valid to mention. Any one of us could wake up in the morning, think we've only been asleep one night, and find that it's much more than that. Or not, really.

In other words, once you begin to truly question the validity of what is "keeping time" for you around you that you depend on and believe, then nothing is really sure anymore, is it?

Two things: I remember quite well an advertisement for Depend"S" many years ago that said: " You can depend on Depends...."
Which would have meant, the brand name at that time, at least, was "Depend"S"," quotes added and caps on the S for emphasis only. It wouldn't have made any sense, that ad, if the first name of the adult diapers wasn't plural.
Unfortunately, I don't think any of that proves anything, whatsoever. A company can at any time decide to be called something different, and wish all remnants of the past to be removed, and perhaps, even, request that search engines delete the previous name.....

History is an altogether different matter, but perhaps even more subjective.

The second thing: You've referred to this as the "Mandela Affect." I believe you mean Mandala, perhaps?

The word "mandala" is from the classical Indian language of Sanskrit. Loosely translated to mean "circle," a mandala is far more than a simple shape.

www.mandalaproject.org...

Historically speaking, the Mandala as I've seen it depicted before, is an image of the snake curled in a circle swallowing its own tale. Very fitting for the discussion, I must say.

Take care. Excellent thread.
tetra50

a reply to: jacygirl

i remember eli whitney as being a white guy.

a reply to: tetra50

The second thing: You've referred to this as the "Mandela Affect." I believe you mean Mandala, perhaps?

Hi Tetra, I know you weren't replying to me, but just thought I'd chime in that, although I love your analogy with the mandala, it really is called the Mandela Effect due to the fact that many people remember Nelson Mandela dying before he 'died again.' And when people began to talk about it, they realized other things too, and someone ended up naming the phenomenon after Nelson Mandela.

Check out: mandelaeffect.com...

Carry on...

As I research deeper into this, what I've described, the snake eating its own tail, is actually, historically called the "Ouroboros."

The ouroboros or uroboros (/ˌjʊərəˈbɒrəs, ˌjʊəroʊ-/,[3] from the Greek οὐροβόρος ὄφις tail-devouring snake) is an ancient symbol depicting a serpent or dragon eating its own tail.

The ouroboros often symbolizes self-reflexivity, introspection, or cyclicality,[4] especially in the sense of something constantly re-creating itself, the eternal return, and other things such as the phoenix which operate in cycles that begin anew as soon as they end. It can also represent the idea of primordial unity related to something existing in or persisting from the beginning with such force or qualities it cannot be extinguished. While first emerging in Ancient Egypt and India,[5] the ouroboros has been important in religious and mythological symbolism, but has also been frequently used in alchemical illustrations, where it symbolizes the circular nature of the alchemist's opus. It is also often associated with Gnosticism, Hermeticism and Hinduism.

Carl Jung interpreted the ouroboros as having an archetypal significance to the human psyche.[6] The Jungian psychologist Erich Neumann writes of it as a representation of the pre-ego "dawn state", depicting the undifferentiated infancy experience of both mankind and the individual child.[7]

LINK

If you search these terms, as I have, you'll get a conglomerate of aggregate synopses of both those terms, which reflect equally upon the ideas of cyclical life and time. Here:

Below: Text taken from my mandala diary: 1st of April 2011
“This mandala was inspired by Ram Dass’ book ‘Be Here Now’, it depicts the Buddha reaching enlightenment under the naga (snake like being) Mucalinda who came from beneath the earth and sheltered the Buddha. The naga used its’ hood to protect the Buddha from the elements which torrented down from the sky for 7 days after his enlightenment. The image of this scene in my mandala is contained in a light bulb to symbolise the enlightenment.

Inside the lightbulb is the devanagari (Indian script) symbol for OM or AUM which is synonymous with the absolute, and is all the sounds in the universe condensed into one. The word means one, or unity and refers to the connectedness of everything and everyone. The Mandukya Upanishad states that the ‘A’ in AUM refers to the waking state of consciousness, the ‘U’ refers to the state of dreams, the ‘M’ refers to the state of deep sleep’, while as a whole, AUM refers to the fourth transcendental state of consciousness (enlightenment). OM is the reflection of the absolute reality, God, the self, the void and the life energy (shakti). This is surrounded by a circle which is a symbol of unity, wholeness, infinity.

Excerpted from: LINK

What's interesting about the alchemical adherences to this and everything else referred to about creation, unity, self actualization and realization, is it's all a study of realizations about time and our place within it, and the cycle of life.
Just my fifty cents or so....
tetra

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: tetra50

The second thing: You've referred to this as the "Mandela Affect." I believe you mean Mandala, perhaps?

Hi Tetra, I know you weren't replying to me, but just thought I'd chime in that, although I love your analogy with the mandala, it really is called the Mandela Effect due to the fact that many people remember Nelson Mandela dying before he 'died again.' And when people began to talk about it, they realized other things too, and someone ended up naming the phenomenon after Nelson Mandela.

Check out: mandelaeffect.com...

Carry on...

Ahh thanks, new_here:

I get it.
In fact, I remember that myself. One of the many reasons I've read and watched the thread closely... Time anomalies and reported deaths and "reliving" and "redying" (excuse that reference) are why I am fascinated by this subject matter.
I happen to have experienced this, anecdotally, myself.

Not only of hearing of famous people whom I thought had already departed, being alive again, and departed again, but my own, quite personal, although anecdotal, memories of living situations all over again, and memories that just don't seem to fit with what's currently happening.

At one time, I had a lot of research about a "time" thread, because these attendant memories lead me to research time keeping and history, itself, and what I found, both scientifically and about calendars, and solar and lunar time, and radioactive half life decay time keeping was quite fascinating. So from every aspect that I've looked at this dilemma, it continues to fascinate. The change from Gregorian to Julian calendars, for instance, accounted for a difference of so many days in the calendar, accounting for quite a discrepancy over a certain period of "time......" LOL.

However, I think the "popular" recognition of this issue, and calling it after someone famous whom many remember as dead or alive within a discrepant period of time, may be selling the effect, itself, short, in its entirety of meaning.....as the "mandala" applies quite specifically, I think, to what may be discovered, therein.

Sincerely,
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

However, I think the "popular" recognition of this issue, and calling it after someone famous whom many remember as dead or alive within a discrepant period of time, may be selling the effect, itself, short, in its entirety of meaning.....as the "mandala" applies quite specifically, I think, to what may be discovered, therein.

Fair point, especially reading what you posted above about the mandala. That said, if I wake up tomorrow and the Mandela Effect is now called the Mandala Effect, well... all bets are off on my sanity, lol.

Newest submissions to that web link I posted...

It's Jonny Quest not Johnny Quest.

It's Oxiclean not Oxyclean. (Really...? They even advertise it's with the power of Oxygen for pete's sake!)

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: tetra50

However, I think the "popular" recognition of this issue, and calling it after someone famous whom many remember as dead or alive within a discrepant period of time, may be selling the effect, itself, short, in its entirety of meaning.....as the "mandala" applies quite specifically, I think, to what may be discovered, therein.

Fair point, especially reading what you posted above about the mandala. That said, if I wake up tomorrow and the Mandela Effect is now called the Mandala Effect, well... all bets are off on my sanity, lol.

Newest submissions to that web link I posted...

It's Jonny Quest not Johnny Quest.

It's Oxiclean not Oxyclean. (Really...? They even advertise it's with the power of Oxygen for pete's sake!)

LOL, new_here. I guess Dylan described is ever-presently the best.....for, "The Times They are A'Changin....."

And further I would suggest everyone interested in these anomalies read about Time Dilation, special relativity and CERN, as seen on this link, perhaps, and others:

One of the most surprising features of special relativity is that a number of statements and results which we usually think to be absolute turn out to be observer-dependent. In particular, statements about space and time, distances and duration turn out to be relative.

For example, in Einstein's theory, simultaneity is a relative concept. Imagine that there are two events which an observer in space station A judges to be simultaneous - say, the explosion of a firecracker at one point in space and an alarm clock going off a few miles away. For an observer in space station B, which is moving relative to A, this statement will not necessarily be true: In general, such an observer will come to the conclusion that one of the events happened earlier than the other. (More about this unfamiliar state of affairs and about the necessity to first of all define simultaneity can be found in our Spotlight topic The definition of "now".)

Similarly, temporal duration depends on the observer. This relativistic effect is called time dilation. Summarized briefly: Moving clocks are slower than stationary ones. A bit more precisely: An observer on station A measures time using his on-board clock. Station B, passing A at high speed, has an exact copy of A's clock on board. Yet, from the point of view of A, the clock in station B runs more slowly than his own. A down-to-earth version of this effect can be tested with the help of elementary particles such as those particles accelerated inside the "proton synchrotron" of the European research centre CERN.

LINK
Oh yes, it's all very real. What that means and what's responsible and what the outcome may be is what's really the basis for further discussion. If only we can get there.....to further the discussion, imho.
tetra

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: tetra50

However, I think the "popular" recognition of this issue, and calling it after someone famous whom many remember as dead or alive within a discrepant period of time, may be selling the effect, itself, short, in its entirety of meaning.....as the "mandala" applies quite specifically, I think, to what may be discovered, therein.

Fair point, especially reading what you posted above about the mandala. That said, if I wake up tomorrow and the Mandela Effect is now called the Mandala Effect, well... all bets are off on my sanity, lol.

Newest submissions to that web link I posted...

It's Jonny Quest not Johnny Quest.

It's Oxiclean not Oxyclean. (Really...? They even advertise it's with the power of Oxygen for pete's sake!)

LOL, new_here. I guess Dylan described is ever-presently the best.....for, "The Times They are A'Changin....."

I'll see your Dylan, and raise you a David Bowie: "Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes..Turn and face the strange ch-ch-changes..."

a reply to: tetra50

LINK Oh yes, it's all very real. What that means and what's responsible and what the outcome may be is what's really the basis for further discussion. If only we can get there.....to further the discussion, imho.

Very cool, and I look forward to reading more into it after I get some shut-eye! Goodnight for now...

originally posted by: new_here

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: tetra50

However, I think the "popular" recognition of this issue, and calling it after someone famous whom many remember as dead or alive within a discrepant period of time, may be selling the effect, itself, short, in its entirety of meaning.....as the "mandala" applies quite specifically, I think, to what may be discovered, therein.

Fair point, especially reading what you posted above about the mandala. That said, if I wake up tomorrow and the Mandela Effect is now called the Mandala Effect, well... all bets are off on my sanity, lol.

Newest submissions to that web link I posted...

It's Jonny Quest not Johnny Quest.

It's Oxiclean not Oxyclean. (Really...? They even advertise it's with the power of Oxygen for pete's sake!)

LOL, new_here. I guess Dylan described is ever-presently the best.....for, "The Times They are A'Changin....."

I'll see your Dylan, and raise you a David Bowie: "Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes..Turn and face the strange ch-ch-changes..."

ah yes, new_here. great, truly great, lyric representations, they are.
I don't think this is very new, as in if the Mandala or Ouroboros is representative of any truth, nothing is very new, is it?
The lyrical representations of time dilation and history literally repeating itself, and lyricists appearing to be talented in precognition, all this is fascinating. How brilliant was Orwell, really, predicting, then, what had already happened so many times before?

This is one of the many reasons I find the anecdotal perspective and historical perspective of time dilation so interesting is it really calls into question how we think of absolutely everything and everyone, and if fooling with it all is possible, what we can be led into thinking, quite purposefully, when it isn't true at all. Nothing can be nailed down if our perspective of the train of events is called into question, or our entire perspective on any of that. This is the true rabbit hole, imho.

Goodnight to you, my friend, as well. Sleep well and sweet dreams.

Most of you know me as one who debunks this effect, based totally on the abilities of our minds to replace memories with impostors because the impostor (stimulation, what ever that may be) is not only very similar, but it gets more "air time" if you will, through repetitive communication.

Ok, so let's say that is false. The only other alternative then, is a displacement of time or split (fork?) of realities....
So if that is indeed what is going on.. what about physical things themselves? Will they just not "appear" or "disappear"?

Surely, if we are talking about time displacement or distortion... hey, some day a building will disappear, or a jet may disappear (err... let's leave that one out) . Simple objects around the house will suddenly not be there, or you will get new things, and not know where they come from... Sounds like fun, but things like that could indeed drive you nuts.

So an exercise here would not be trying to prove what people experience in their minds, but on some physical things, big or small, that change. It would be interesting to read those instances as well, and if enough people concur with what ever that brings out, it would be interesting, to say the least.

originally posted by: charlyv
Most of you know me as one who debunks this effect, based totally on the abilities of our minds to replace memories with impostors because the impostor (stimulation, what ever that may be) is not only very similar, but it gets more "air time" if you will, through repetitive communication.

Ok, so let's say that is false. The only other alternative then, is a displacement of time or split (fork?) of realities....
So if that is indeed what is going on.. what about physical things themselves? Will they just not "appear" or "disappear"?

Surely, if we are talking about time displacement or distortion... hey, some day a building will disappear, or a jet may disappear (err... let's leave that one out) . Simple objects around the house will suddenly not be there, or you will get new things, and not know where they come from... Sounds like fun, but things like that could indeed drive you nuts.

So an exercise here would not be trying to prove what people experience in their minds, but on some physical things, big or small, that change. It would be interesting to read those instances as well, and if enough people concur with what ever that brings out, it would be interesting, to say the least.

Hey Charlyv: I get your wanting to hinge some proof in a realistic, physical realm. However, in order for that to be "proof" of something, we'd all have had to observe the physical things that changed. That's a tough one.

Though I have to say, I saw a picture of Manhattan island many years ago that depicted the Trump towers standing at a certain point, and then again, later, of them standing at a totally different location than before.....which if I could find those two pics would certainly be an interesting basis for things reoccurring, as well as being based on exactly what you describe, something physical, that changed its location, nodding to the idea that what happened, perhaps, happened already.....
tetra

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: jacygirl

i remember eli whitney as being a white guy.

I remember Michael Jackson as being a black boy.

a reply to: tetra50

I get your wanting to hinge some proof in a realistic, physical realm. However, in order for that to be "proof" of something, we'd all have had to observe the physical things that changed. That's a tough one.

Yep, that is the premise. But, just like in the memory recollections, there would have to be some corroboration, and many would say it did not happen as well.

originally posted by: TombEscaper

originally posted by: Barcs

I don't claim that it's strictly confined to long term memory issues. I'm just saying you can't rule it out as a likely cause for most of the simple ones, so it's still a valid possibility. You seemed to be claiming that you have ruled it out and debunked it, but you are doing it via faulty comparisons to short term memory and subjective evidence.

10 years ago is hardly recent. That still qualifies as long term memory that gets foggier over time like all memories that aren't rehashed over the years. My point was that you were mistakenly suggesting that something everybody knows like the birthday song or your best friend's name, can be compared to a memory from 10 years back. There are studies that show this isn't true. People definitely remember things differently. It's not just a wild guess.

I'm not looking for easy spelling mistakes. Again, you can google and get 400,000 results for the misspelled word, "rediculous". That isn't evidence of ME, it's evidence that people heard the word over the years and pronounced it with an E because people say it with the long E sound, so they spell it that way. Back before spell check was everywhere, there were probably several times more hits for that word. There are just as many results for many of the MEs and tons of other misspelled words as well. Berenstain qualifies, regardless of how many people think they remember it differently. It's a difference of ONE LETTER. I know folks do not like when skeptics such as myself say things like this, but that doesn't mean we are wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a youtube ME video about "rediculous" changing spelling.

Prolonged exposure is irrelevant when they do not watch it for more than a decade afterwards, plus most people were children when they watched Mr Rogers. Memories deteriorate over time, do you not believe this? I watched Mr Rogers as a kid, THIS vs THE is another easy mistake to make. And you know what? I did remember it as THE when I hadn't seen it for almost 30 years, but after watching the intro song a few times on youtube recently, it came back to me and THIS actually is what I remember from childhood. It just needed to be refreshed in my mind to realize it was always that way. That's how the song always was, THE is just easier to say and remember, so folks remember it that way.

That why I'm saying we need to focus on MEs that are major, rather than distracting ourselves from the issue with simple misspellings and THIS vs THE that appeal to childhood emotions and memories. I'm looking for solid examples where numerous people remember a major event much differently and it isn't a simple misspelling or difference of a one letter or word. Can you name some of those things?

How about we discuss some major examples of ME, then? I'm tired of discussing Berenstein / THIS / Mcintyre / NO vs Luke, etc as well. If this thing is real it goes far beyond simple name spellings and old quotes. That's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of.

Another easy mistake. 1 depend plus 1 depend = 2 DependS. It's easy to see how this mistake originated. You buy a pack of Depends. People add on the S to imply more than 1 or even a "pair" of depends, kind of like a pair of pants. Are we going to ever discuss these major MEs?

There are multiple implications of this "Mandela Effect," and one of the aspects of it is that there is a now a war being waged for consciousness; in actuality, it is an agenda of soul-enslavement. It would be very detrimental at this point to abandon your intuition and inner-knowingness for things that can be "verified" from outside of yourself, such as through "tangible evidence."

Many, whether consciously or subconsciously, are deathly afraid of what is happening here; not frightened by the Mandela Effect itself, but by the implications of the Mandela Effect. It may be wise to do a self-examination and see if this applies.

The Mandela Effect is a double-edged sword. It may be uncomfortable to face when confronted with it, but accepting it while also holding fast to your truth within will ultimately bring redemption; rejecting it will only drive out your inner-truth more and more, ultimately resulting in the relinquishing of your own soul to the nefarious entities who are orchestrating these anomalies for that very purpose.

"A war being waged for consciousness."

CERN. Bending the Arc of History. Magic circles. Alchemy. Aleister Crowley. The snake eating its tail. Apollyon the Destroyer. Words being changed in the Bible. CERN.

Photohelix continues on with the video he was making. This is a serious video for those who can fathom on the deeper levels the implications of the Mandela Effect. It's almost 40 minutes long and contains a bit of what I'd call silly video work in the beginning which kind of takes away from the seriousness of what he is saying in the rest of the video, in my assessment, but perhaps he is trying to lighten the effect of what he has to say.

If you don't watch to the end you won't "get it."



What I will term the "global planners" talked long ago about their plans for humans and photohelix excerpted a part of the following video for his video concerning the changing of words in the Bible. Many of those plans have been implemented since. Check them off if you take the time to listen! I listened in stages because of the length.

Published on Aug 17, 2014 The main tapes are recordings of Dr. Lawrence Dunegan from 1988. Even since then, much of what Dr. Day said was going to happen in the world has happened - and there is more to come. In this recordings Dr. Lawrence Dunegan recalls a meeting with Dr. Richard Day on 20th March 1968, in which Dr. Day revealed the world plans of a secret group of powerful people who he referred to as the New Order of Barbarians.

I've listened to parts one and two of this long video below and found part 3 very difficult to listen to because of an annoying background noise from the recorder so I eventually stopped. The part photohelix concentrates on in his video about the changing of words in the Bible begins at about 40:00 minutes in the next video but most of the plans for humanity contained in parts one and two I learned about years ago. I was never aware of this particular video until the 26th of May.



Caution: if the reader is having trouble tolerating what some of us understand as the implications of the Mandela Effect I'd advise taking care in watching or listening to these videos or perhaps not watching or listening at all. Viewer discretion advised.

I'm not asking anyone to agree with what I've posted. I'm posting it because I find it to be pertinent to this ongoing discussion we're having due to my years of study into the true nature, not the ostensible, of the world.

I remembered the term '"Yup"ie' meant a young "urban" professional at first, then was DEFINATELY changed to "upwardly mobile", as awkward as that sounds, and it doesn't even fit the anagram.

I KNOW it was coined about 1990, but by 1993-95 the meaning was changed, as a political slide toward inclusiveness or ~whatever~.

It was the first case of "NewSpeak" that I noticed creeping into the record. It seems worth citing here. This is my first post on the subject, and want to contribute.

a reply to: tweetie

I've been away for a while, thank you Tweetie for adding the video - it's simply incredible. I am another who knows his Scripture, and this is becoming very disturbing.

The great deception, or the great delusion, of the End Times. The Mandela Effect fits the bill perfectly.

The modern word 'stuff' instead of 'possessions'..? Even written as 'stuffe' in the Olde Englishe version? Ridiculous! The word 'bottles' instead of 'wineskins'? The ancient Israelites used wineskins, not bottles - again, it's ridiculous! The use of the word 'bottles' is limited only to the King James Bible itself, and not the books which refer to the relevant scripture, in which 'wineskins' is still in use. That's very telling in my opinion... And the scripture from Isaiah, 'The lion shall lie down with the lamb' being changed to 'The wolf shall lie down with the lamb'. It's just plain wrong! There's even an ATS member called LambsToLions, and he or she was almost certainly obliquely referring to that scripture when choosing the username.

The fact that it's the King James version which has the errors is key - it's the original, and thus best known translation. The common memory, the lingua franca of memory - that's what's been changed.

Deuteronomy 4:2
"You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Revelation 22:19
And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

Whoever is behind the ME, even if it is the 'powers of the heavens' (the Archons?), is in deep # now.