The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

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This is a picture of canada, (where Alaska looks alot more like it did before*, so this might please those people aswell) - with lots of seemingly Ice above it.
Could it perhaps be something like this you remember? Greenland is incredibly huge, and as we all know - seeing as earth is a globe - every map drawn will have different types of distortions.

The memory could easily confabulate this image, or images just like this one, into a firm memory of the north pole above Canada.

* supposedly alot of MEers, remember alaska in this shape, and not how it looks on a map of the world, like this.
world.euratlas.net...
edit: its the same shape but different angles tricks the mind AND memory

originally posted by: hidingthistime
a reply to: Profusion

Are they trying to say beijing is no longer in this reality???

You mean the capital of China?

Yeah, it's still there.

a reply to: TerryDon79

One person had a memory of China's geography being different, and Mongolia not its own country.

So, let-s talk about big thing, continents and lands shifting. Hope someone will verify my hypothesis.

We need two or more people that will take the same route or airline, let's say from New Zealand to Australia. At least one person among them must have experienced ME about New Zealand shifting from Australia or vice versa and at least one person must be that is sure that such shift never happened.

If there are two different realities, one for person with ME and one for person without, existing at the same time, then both people can't depart from New Zealand and land in Australia at the same time, right? If for person with ME New Zealand had shifted away from Australia, then the person without ME should land in Australia first, which means this person should simply disappear from the plane while person with ME still being in the plane and flying towards Australia.

I bet this won't happen.

But if two people will land in Australia together, then there is an option that one of them was completely wrong or that one reality merged with the second reality and by the time it took from departure to landing you can see which reality prevailed (knowing the time it usually takes in both realities to reach destination).

The main goal is to make pairs of ME and nonME people and observe what happens to effect in question while they are together, let's say two people going to same factory from same place and one of them has ME that the factory locationd moved in he has to walk 20 minutes more than before ME appeared. Anyone?

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: TerryDon79

One person had a memory of China's geography being different, and Mongolia not its own country.

I missed that.

2 problems if they didn't exist.

1, Beijing Olympics in 2008 (summer) and possibly 2029 (winter)

2, genghis khan.

a reply to: Krneki

The main goal is to make pairs of ME and nonME people

Dunno why but that was incredibly funny.
But I dont think it would work, considering we're all in the same reality now. :/
Good plan otherwise

originally posted by: UnBreakable
While we're at it the Bible's been changed too. It is believed CERN has something to do with the supposed ME, going back in time and changing some superficial things.

what an excellnt short but extremely well put together example of evidence.

It brings a whole new meaning to the term, "learned it by heart"

Now I can see why I had such an obsession with the bible for 20 years, and then I just dopped it one day about 6 months ago....

Maybe that is when the changes happened in bibles?

The only thing is, I just feel sooooo unworthy to be one of the people who has this memorized by heart.

a reply to: raymundoko

You know full well that when you ignore our points, state the same points over and over again and then accuse of not answering your points (which we have done countless times,) call us names, put us down, manipulate the conversation with immature psychological bullying and pollute the thread with all of the above, over and over again, that it is in fact pestering, but in a personal way. Terms such as "special snowflake" make that pretty apparent. You and others have still failed to respond to my question, for you to explain why so many people have the same, vivid memories, of the same exact alternative. This has been outright ignored by those of you who have hounded the thread with the same questions.

You talk to us as if we are avoiding your points when the exact opposite is the case and you know it.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Question: Why so many people agree on similar faulty memories?

Answer: Cognitive biases based on singular confabulation.

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: tigertatzen

Indeed. When I first learned that it was "No, I am your father," I accepted "Luke, I am your father" as a false memory, even though I was sure how it was. The video evidence of how it is seemed pretty conclusive. I even watched the film and he said, "No, I am your father." Any doubts that I had faded after hearing it in the actual film.

Strange thing: after accepting my memory as wrong, the memory actually faded away. Now I can only remember remembering. It was "Berenstein Bears" that really grabbed me and made me believe that something supernatural was at work, because I had so many vivid memories of that spelling, as well as various memories of discussing the spelling/pronunciation and of kids and parents mispronouncing it because of the spelling, as well as looking over the books for sentimental reasons here and there. It was then that I learned about the Mandela Effect and first believed that something was up.

It's really odd...because if I allow myself to give in to the (very specific) suggestion that it has always been this way, it has almost a hypnotic effect on me and then every time I think about it afterward, it sounds more and more natural.

But if I stop thinking about it for a while that particular way, it suddenly seems to clear the fog the next time I do think of it again. I don't like that feeling one bit. It feels like I'm being subtly coerced or guided. Like a mind game. And it sets off every alarm bell in my intuition. Every time I have ignored my intuition in the past, it has been to my detriment. So I'm not ignoring it anymore.

That's exactly how it feels to me too! Like some kind of subtle mental persuasion, rather than a shove or abrupt command. It's like a faint whisper, pulling us to sleep, into forgetfulness of how things were. And you're right, simply by clearing your mind and relaxing the true memory of things becomes clear. It seems to be a keen intuitive sense that locks our alternate memory of things in place.

originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: tigertatzen

That's fine. If she just had a baby, she's definitely got her plate full right now. No rush at all.

I understand that posting in this thread might not be the best thing, which is why I hope to do it candidly via PM if you guys are comfortable with that

Thanks again!

I'll talk to her in a few days and see how she's doing. At the very least, I can ask her more specific questions. I just don't want to freak her out with the whole ME thing. I haven't spoken with my daughter about it either, because she's a high risk mom to be, too.

originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: TravelleOn

Even more interesting is that this YouTube video author also seems to be a "Flat Earther" as well. Not a very good source IMO.

You can't write someone off because you don't agree with their beliefs. An argument either stands or falls on its own merit. Who stated it is besides the point. A professor might teach his class something incorrect and a homeless man on the street might teach something true. You can't go by credentials, or what you perceive as credentials.

You guys please just stop. Your about to unseat the flat earthers and I would hate that. They are such easy targets.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

You and others have still failed to respond to my question, for you to explain why so many people have the same, vivid memories, of the same exact alternative.

Because certain types of mistakes are easy to make, which is why many people make the same ones.

1) Fill in the blanks:

A:
Frankenstein
Milstein
Einstein
Bernstein
Beren____

B:
Sterling silver
Sterling character
Pounds Sterling
Rod S______

2) Identify all the continents on the following map:



3) Indicate the distances and direction of the Asian continent and New Zealand on this map:

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: tigertatzen

Actually the delusional bit, was for those who connect CERN to this.
And I seriously doubt an invited guest would be mocked. She might be questioned, but not mocked. Thats my firm belief anyway.
That said, I do understand that youre catious about that.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Yup. But logic seems to be a very troublesome thing to grasp, regarding ME. It seems that way, anyway.

I have said this before, but if I were to believe that our reality actually shifted or something like that, CERN would be my number one suspect. The reasons for that are many, but the statue of Kali at their facility is eerie in this context. She was the creator of time. More specifically, she was the beginning and the end of all time and every moment in between. She WAS time. And I've always thought that CERN put her up as a little joke, because of that. Scientists usually have a wicked sense of humor.

But I do not believe that. Although, I do respect the fact that others do believe it, because there always exists the possibility, however illogical it may seem to me, that I am dead wrong. I have respect for that, from solid experience.

originally posted by: hidingthistime

Take the time to watch, and , i may take the time to discuss. Otherwise, excellent video of the heart on the left.

Thanks god for my education!!! I can't believe how people can make a 15 min video about heart position and referring to movie pictures and commercials and misexplaining what is on the pictures. Oh, boy was shot in the heart.. no, he was shot in the left side of chest and people bleed if shot there. Oh, they have a a heart attack and they put their hand on the left.. people with heart attack can feel pain in arm, left or right chest, neck, even jaw. It's just the way actors play a heart atatck for commercials it has nothing to do with real heart attack. Why the hell you think there is a medical university and not everyone can be a doctor...

IF USA is famous for their stupidity there is really no need to spread your completely wrongly perceptions and knowledge to other parts of the world and poison the rest. Go dig up a freshly buried coffin and open the guy in there or look at many anatomy videos on Youtube.

This reminds me of ancient Greek explanation about women hysteria. that the womb is moving around the body. But if anyone thinks that assumes the body parts positions shifted based on T-shirts and movies, then maybe it needs a brain shift.

Ok, I know the poster wanted to put forward a question why would anyone present the heart on the left in the first place. My answer is, cause people learn wrong and instead to check and learn right, the just keep repeating the mislearned stuff. It's the same reason why most people can't calculate sin45°. People don't care where heart lies, cause even if it would be in their heels they would be satisfied until it beats and they are alive. And they simply won't operate themselves on the heart, so it's enough if doctor knows.

It's perfectly acceptable to not know stuff, but assuming things had changed when people have no idea about basics is plain wrong. I blame USA and their stupidity export effort, their corn surely does miracles... omfg.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Actually that is Shiva, the cosmic dancer. She creates worlds and she destroys worlds.
en.wikipedia.org...

And its all fine to believe that! People believe lots of things that cannot be proven.
But since there is actually not a slightest form of proof, that CERN has anything to do with tihs, other than conspiracy theories, then it is by defnition a delusion to connect the two.

an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: Krneki

The main goal is to make pairs of ME and nonME people

Dunno why but that was incredibly funny.
But I dont think it would work, considering we're all in the same reality now. :/
Good plan otherwise

Why would all ME people be always in my nonME reality where NZ and Australia had always been at the same spot? Why can't I join their reality and e.g. shorten my flight time from Europe to Australia by half?

But you know, as yogis says a word repeated a million times becomes matter. And we are supposed to create our own reality. So maybe if 2 billion people would focus their minds that Australia is in Mediterranean sea than I could pick up koalas from my beach.

Now I just need 1.999.999.999 more people to test it.

a reply to: Krakatoa

I appreciate that, unlike others, you are attempting to make sensible arguments

This conversation has gone on for a long time, the topic discussed on previous ATS threads a while back. Many of us have noticed that the official release of something (a book, film or other product) always has the new spelling, while we can find many professional news reports, personal blogs, YouTube videos, etc., using the spelling that we remember. As I have said previously, the consistency of those of us with alternate memories remembering the same exact alternative spellings is rather remarkable. It is not simply a matter of misspellings, for a number of reasons. Firstly, we all remember the same exact alternative/s. Secondly, our alternate memory of things includes geological and biological differences, not just wordings.

Your best point is that people will intentionally misspell a product name if doing a parody or something (sometimes at least) in order to avoid possible legal complications. You are right. They sometimes do. The fact that these skits are using "Depends" and not "Rely" or "Dependent" (a more likely spin on the name "Depend,") supports what we are saying however. "Depends" is what we remember, not "Rely" or "Dependent." Also, I don't think simply adding an "S" would avoid a lawsuit. If I were to make jokes about how McDonald's food sucks and called it "McDonald," I seriously doubt that cover me. When looking at the sheer numbers of such 'misspellings', between skits, personal videos, etc., you can surely see a pattern (since they are all the same.)

Reality has shifted for us. This 'shift' includes the past. If Froot Loops cereal used to be "Fruit Loops" and that was easily proven online, then you would be the one with the alternate memory, not us

My main point is that too many people are remembering the same exact alternatives for the same specific things, with little or no debate between them on such matters, and finding various evidence online (and in published books, magazines and newspapers) for it to simply be written off as misspelling or faulty memories.

It seems to me that whenever a naysayer does not receive absolute turnarounds after reading their argument, they get upset and either leave or rant on and on how we ignored them, even though we responded to their points (we just disagree.) I hope that you are different. I did notice on another Mandela Effect thread where you re-posted this same argument and stated that you won't be participating in the topic anymore. That is your prerogative, but I wanted you to understand why your argument is not convincing for me.

There are non-believers who listen to all our arguments and still do not believe, and that is fine with me (and with everyone here, it looks like.) We can make our arguments to each other, listen and disagree without taking it personally. I appreciate that you have tried to make intelligent arguments here. I just hope that you respect why it is not convincing for those of us who remember what we do.