The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

a reply to: alienDNA

Who started it? How did they start it? What methods have they used? How have they managed to convince us, beyond any doubt, that our false memories are correct? Is there a website, book or magazine that got this going? If your theory were correct there must be a source.

a reply to: In4ormant

My time is somewhat limited these days. Surprise surprise, go figure, I didn't wish to read 66 pages of an argument which we have already debunked. If you are capable of understanding what you read then you are capable of explaining it here, if it brings anything new to the table.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

I have no idea who started it. You are convincing yourselves. You are reinforcing each others memories.
All that had to happen, for it to begin, was a meme regarding lets say Berenstein vs Berenstain.
That wouldve been enough to trigger the same incorrect memory in another person - and voila - it spreads like a virus, to people who lack critical thinking and rationality.

a reply to: Raxoxane

And your point is? All I see is you calling me a bunch of names. You did that once before aswell
Too bad those tactics are extremely childish and will not work.

a reply to: TerryDon79

I never said that confabulations have never happened. The word exists because it has happened. I am talking about the Mandela Effect, the subject of the thread: many people remembering the same exact alternatives to multiple wordings in our culture, celebrity deaths, geological and biological changes.

a reply to: In4ormant

You seem to have trouble understanding this thread. You may want to do some research and then go back and read this thread over from the beginning

Yes, there is the Internet. I remember it being a fairly big thing back in 1995. "Why now?" does apply as a valid question. Explain why it would not.

a reply to: DJW001

Go back and read this thread. It's free and you obviously have Internet access

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Exactly. Confabulation exists because its real. Mandela Effect doesnt exist because its not real.
Well, the effect is real obviously, but what it is, is something that will be described in the DSM in the future, Im sure of it.
At the very least, in a few journals and books
I lack the language to describe it scientifically, but I dont have to, cause just a few pages back, its explained perfectly.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

I think youre the one who should go back and read it. Everything is already explained. Its done and done.

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: In4ormant

My time is somewhat limited these days. Surprise surprise, go figure, I didn't wish to read 66 pages of an argument which we have already debunked. If you are capable of understanding what you read then you are capable of explaining it here, if it brings anything new to the table.

You have not debunked any scientific study on memory conformity. I need to spoon feed you your sanity now?

Why do you want this fantasy to be real so much? I'm curious. Why this need to throw science and logic and study after study from scientists away so your fantastical theory can stand?

It's all so fascinating.

a reply to: In4ormant

You have not debunked any scientific study on memory conformity. I need to spoon feed you your sanity now?

Why would he need to.

Have you proven that confabulation is causing this, or do you only have proof that confabulation is something that exists?

These are two different things.

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: In4ormant

You have not debunked any scientific study on memory conformity. I need to spoon feed you your sanity now?

Why would he need to.

Have you proven that confabulation is causing this, or do you only have proof that confabulation is something that exists?

These are two different things.

Just because you won't accept the science and arbitrarily say that "it's not that" doesn't mean it's not true.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Even if a scientist walked up.to.you guys individually and stated that you are suffering from memory conformity you still wouldn't believe it.

And that my friends is what interests me so.

a reply to: In4ormant

I am being very clear yet your replies don't seem to relate to what I said. I am not denying any science. You are making the false claim that science has proven that these specific memories are due to bad memory.

The only thing that is proven is that humans can remember things wrong, which is not denied by anyone as far as I can tell.

a reply to: CollidinParticules

Considering there is nothing ELSE to prove it..

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: CollidinParticules

Considering there is nothing ELSE to prove it..

Apart from the theory Jung came up with after listening to the ramblings of a mad man about the sun's ding dong though right?

originally posted by: CollidinParticules
a reply to: In4ormant

I am being very clear yet your replies don't seem to relate to what I said. I am not denying any science. You are making the false claim that science has proven that these specific memories are due to bad memory.

The only thing that is proven is that humans can remember things wrong, which is not denied by anyone as far as I can tell.

Let us go another route. If we aren't going to accept that these instances are caused by faulty memories then what is it?

What is your explanation for it?What is your proof? Why do you believe it?

a reply to: alienDNA

Yes, so like I said previously, a moderator has asked that we do not attack each other personally and it looks like we are now being attacked as a group. This is how it looks.

I keep trying to consider that a handful you who have been continually at us are actual human beings with real feelings on the matter and are here to debate things, yet I keep getting drawn back to my initial feeling that you are just baiting us and trying to keep us on the defensive so that we cannot discuss the topic. When it comes this discussion, you and others have been continually intellectually dishonest. It sabotages your credibility.

I am honestly unsure if there is any point in explaining this to you, if you are being honest at all on your side of this, but I will try...the reason why we watch videos on this topic is the same as why we read each other's comments here, because we are fascinated by what is going on and like hearing from others who have had the same experiences. You will find the same thing from people who have been attacked by a thief, lost their home in a fire, etc. etc. It is normal human behaviour, and I can't believe I am explaining this...please ask yourself, did you really not know this? You probably did. So was the conclusion which you dealt out to us on YouTube videos truly honest?

You may be honest, as you claim, and sharp. But please understand, to actually be honest you need to seriously consider the other side of an argument. I have been in the situation many times in my life where I had to listen to someone explain a side which I was sure was wrong. When I was young, I would not listen really, not well anyway, and this would cause people to lose respect for me. It is important to hear out a side of an argument that you may not like, understand or agree with (esp. if you don't understand.) These days I will listen, with serious, disciplined focus (which took lots of practice) to hear someone out on an opposing view, even if I feel 100% positive that they are wrong and that it will be a complete waste of my time and mental energy.

This has three benefits: 1) It proves that I am honest 2) It allows me to understand the other side better, which can help when debating it too 3) Sometimes I am wrong. Sometimes you simply were overlooking something, were unaware of something, or you discover factors to their side that legitimatize it. For example, when I was young I was always talking real, ugly truth, whether anyone wanted to hear it or not. It hurt people, cost me friends, and often went over people's heads (many of whom probably didn't share my interest.) For a long time I hated chitchat and felt that it was a stupid waste of time and just a way for people to avoid discussing the things that really matter. I wasn't wrong in that, but people explained to me that chitchat is just a way to socialize, to get to know someone, that the words sometimes matter less than the gesture. I get that now and have lightened up a lot lol I now make more friends and keep the ones I make. I could have learned this a long time ago if I'd only considered their side of it more honestly.

Do not take this as an attack, it is something for you to consider. You reveal your lack of empathy and understanding through things you say. Like this:

this is a sad day cause there will never be a way out for you and your fellow me-ers... you will be forever lost in wonderland with Dorothy.

That reminds me of the way I used to be. These days, even if I strongly felt this way, I would not say it. But also, do you see your lack of interest and understanding of us in those words? Have you really read our posts, listened to where we were coming from, paid attention to the care and thoughtfulness of our arguments (even if you didn't agree with them?) If you relax for a moment, sit back and think about it, can people with such humour, friendly manners and the intelligence to write such arguments (which may be true or not, I am talking about the substance of them,) be so crazy? You should see that we are real human beings with feelings, thoughts, education, curiosity and a sense of fun So, putting aside how bizarre our claims may feel to you, don't we seem pretty decent enough to talk with?

It may not seem that way to you, but we really are just human beings trying to make sense of what has happened to us.
If I were you (and in a way I was) I would want to improve upon this. You do not have to agree, and if it freaks you out, well, don't worry because it freaks us out too! lol If you want to participate in this discussion you are welcome. I just hope that I have helped to understand you better and to allow you to understand me a bit better

Sorry about your Dad

a reply to: In4ormant

What is your explanation for it?What is your proof? Why do you believe it?

I don't have an explanation.

I already told you it can't be proven, maybe you missed it.

Already told you too, I consider it because I am sure some things were different.


Why do you keep asking the same things?

a reply to: Ruiner1978

Funny.
And yes. Part of the same thing.

a reply to: In4ormant

I never said that I had debunked any scientific studies on memory conformity. Why are you twisting my words?

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

I said I wouldnt reply, but I think I will. Just to say, there is a time for empathy and this is not it. I tried that route, several days ago, but when I saw how lost you guys seem to be, well, empathy isnt gonna shake you awake.
And as Ive also since realised, neither will logic or reason. That is why I concluded I shouldnt respond to you anymore.
So, thats that.
Ill continue to chime in, in the thread, whenever I feel its needed, though.
But I wont engage in heated argument or discussion with you, individually or as a group.
That doesnt work so there is no point in doing that.
All I can do, is to give my imput to the thread, when I feel there is a need to do so.
Ive already admitted to being crass, blunt, perhaps cold and methodical.
But rest assured Im just as human as you. I put on some armor, thats all, because if i didnt, I wouldnt be able to stay grounded and shielded from what I consider to be, a virus. That virus is this very meme.
And I stand by my word that Im in here, in this thread, in this whole meme, wherever it spreads - out of love for my fellow man.
And I understand that might be hard to see. But I have to stay focused and not get caught up emotionally.
I think this meme is the most dangerous thing to have hit the internet in a long time and its my freakin JOB as a human, to try my best to stop it.
And my best might not be even close to enough, and my best might not even be good. But its my best, regardless.

And yes. Ive read ALL of your posts, your videos, your theories, your thoughts.
Am I not interested? Than why am I here, several hours a day. Why?
Because I DONT care?
If I didnt care about YOU, and your fellow MEers, I wouldnt give a damn about this thread or this subject.