The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Actually, mass cognitive biases have happened. There are a s### ton of studies done about them and singular confabulation.

It's certainly not a new thing. The word confabulation alone has been around for a few hundred years. That indicates that faulty memory has been studied for atleast the length of time of the word being around.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Like this one. Now if we could just get them to do some reading and critical thinking. Oh wait, maybe that's the.........

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Question: Why so many people agree on similar faulty memories?

Answer: Cognitive biases based on singular confabulation.

So you are saying that if someone is mentally ill (having a delusional or distorted memory) they will experience cognitive biases where they hear of other people's false memories. This is actually a more logical argument than most I have seen, but it fails to explain things away. For your theory to be correct, there are people suddenly (as this has never happened in mass before) confabulating about false memories and being drawn into each other's false memories. Why now and not before? Why only so many and not countless examples? Besides which, many people who have experienced the Mandela Effect have excellent memories, became professors or experts in their fields. I highly doubt they could suffer so severely from delusional memories. Does this seem probable to you?

The why "now" and not "before" is easy. It's called the internet. You guys have never had such an outlet to share your false memories before.

*please site examples of your professors*

please somebody, anybody, give me a hard one.

This is a particularly good quote from
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...;

Public conformity can be dispelled when the veracity of the socially transferred information abates (7,10-11). Thus, errors induced by public conformity are transient (7,9) and appear to represent a change in behavior in the absence of lasting alterations to a memory engram.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Besides which, many people who have experienced the Mandela Effect have excellent memories, became professors or experts in their fields.

Name one, preferably not an English speaker. (Still waiting on that one.)

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: tigertatzen

Actually that is Shiva, the cosmic dancer. She creates worlds and she destroys worlds.
en.wikipedia.org...

And its all fine to believe that! People believe lots of things that cannot be proven.
But since there is actually not a slightest form of proof, that CERN has anything to do with tihs, other than conspiracy theories, then it is by defnition a delusion to connect the two.

an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument

My bad, you're right. It's not Kali dancing over Shiva...her tongue would have been sticking out...and in her statue she's got more arms...and a human head in hand. Well there goes my thought they'd made a clever joke. Blah.

However...Shiva was a boy god. Consort to Kali. He was the only one who could calm her crazy ass down. I thought it was her dancing over him before she stepped on him after he tried to stop her from slaughtering an entire village of people.

But, he is the Lord of destruction, so I actually prefer Kali in this context, LOL. Still creepy, but disappointing. Le sigh..../sad face

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: hidingthistime

It was always "the line shall lay down with the lamb," never "wolf."

I was waiting for Bible changes to become apparent. This should grab a lot of people because people read this book, well, religiously.

a reply to: DJW001

Thank you for responding. You are the first

I wrote a reply but when I hit backspace and it took me back two pages and I lost what I wrote grrr...so, I have to write this up again...

Instinctively I would not actually respond to your questions above because I get the point, but you may feel that I am dodging something if I don't, so: A) Berenstain is the textbook answer (Berenstein in my memory,) B. I answered Rod Stewart but I now see there is a Rod Serling. I not that familiar with him.

I am not that knowledgeable of foreign countries and geography. There are certain things that I remember clearly, from either school or from research for a book project. Mongolia was never a nation, for example, and it now consumes a fair portion of China, and yet I do not know much about China's geography. I just remember how China looked on the map, and I remember that Mongolia was a state or whatever inside China because I had looked into the place a few years back when it came up a subject of interest.

Your point is a fair one. People do make and pass on mistakes. To me this cannot explain the many people remembering the same things so vividly. It would be difficult for me to really articulate to you just how vivid these memories are to me, and that I am in no way exaggerating. Think about your house, your family, your knowings you have (like how to drive a car.) There are things you just remember. You took them in and they stay with you. There is a string of memories associated with each one, and whole memories around each one. If one of these things were to change, you would know it was wrong, that reality did change somehow. You would know beyond any doubt. The change could be that everyone now drives on the left side of the road or the house you've lived in for years is no longer a tutor home, but a brick house. Imagine trying to persuade people that your memory is right, when there is evidence (and other people's memories) to support the current reality. Imagine how relieved you would feel to discover you are not the only one who remembers it the way you do.

This is the situation we are in. Most of us are not nearly as interested in proving that this thing exists to you as you think we are. Most of us are still coming to terms with it, still trying to make sense of it, and enjoying discussing it with each other. It is a mystery to everyone.

originally posted by: DJW001
Your lengthy post succeeded in rolling the page over without addressing my post. Please respond to my response to you:

Perhaps because I hadn't reached it yet...

I just now read and replied to it.

a reply to: In4ormant

If you were to read over the thread you may discover that the issue of faulty memory has been gone over.

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

You and the other believers are "they" in that context. Yeah, I said "leader" as in I dont know what to call it. And, Yes.

"They" relates to "leader" though. They = followers of a leader, right?

And by "leader" you mean one who leads, right?

So we are followers of leaders who tell us what to think and believe, right? Is there any other way to take it?

You talk as if you are aware of us being a "they," so by my question I was asking what are we then? A cult? A new age following? And what "leader" do we follow and why?

Funny how only MEers see the changes then - and not EVERYONE

Yes, that's kind of why we are having this conversation.

a reply to: destination now

Welcome to the wonderful world of typos. Knew someone would jump on that

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Have to head off for my night job. I'll get caught up when I can.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Yes, you're kind of like a cult. kind of.
leader is probably the wrong word but, don't know how else to put it.
perhaps another word better fits but I can't think of it..

and yes, by looking at the comments in those videos, it is evident that many of you look up to these youtubers. it is kinda like a cult following now.

I'm not making any of this up. I'm calling it as I see it.
And if you don't like it, I understand. I wouldn't either.
But that's the way it is. don't shoot the messenger.
and in this case I'm only reporting what I'm seeing.

and my eyes are very open and I'm very awake, and I do not hold back.
that said I am not trying to insult anyone. I'm not trying anything but to wake you back up into reality again. but I will stop trying.
you said it pretty well..

your memories are as real as my memory of my father dying. no one could tell me otherwise if he ended up alive all of a sudden... so I will have to accept that - and sadly, give up trying.
this is a sad day cause there will never be a way out for you and your fellow me-ers... you will be forever lost in wonderland with Dorothy.

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: In4ormant

If you were to read over the thread you may discover that the issue of faulty memory has been gone over.

And dismissed by fragile egos.

You guys cannot be helped. Enjoy your typo universe.

a reply to: DJW001


Whatever morsel of usefulness may have existed in our conversings is expired. I'm not going to get sucked into your circumventing, time/energy-wasting bickerings that are inching us closer toward looking like children fighting over toys in the sandbox.

Your quip about my avatar and screen name was humorous, however.

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: DJW001

Thank you for responding. You are the first

I wrote a reply but when I hit backspace and it took me back two pages and I lost what I wrote grrr...so, I have to write this up again...

Instinctively I would not actually respond to your questions above because I get the point, but you may feel that I am dodging something if I don't, so: A) Berenstain is the textbook answer (Berenstein in my memory,) B. I answered Rod Stewart but I now see there is a Rod Serling. I not that familiar with him.

I am not that knowledgeable of foreign countries and geography. There are certain things that I remember clearly, from either school or from research for a book project. Mongolia was never a nation, for example, and it now consumes a fair portion of China, and yet I do not know much about China's geography. I just remember how China looked on the map, and I remember that Mongolia was a state or whatever inside China because I had looked into the place a few years back when it came up a subject of interest.

Your point is a fair one. People do make and pass on mistakes. To me this cannot explain the many people remembering the same things so vividly. It would be difficult for me to really articulate to you just how vivid these memories are to me, and that I am in no way exaggerating. Think about your house, your family, your knowings you have (like how to drive a car.) There are things you just remember. You took them in and they stay with you. There is a string of memories associated with each one, and whole memories around each one. If one of these things were to change, you would know it was wrong, that reality did change somehow. You would know beyond any doubt. The change could be that everyone now drives on the left side of the road or the house you've lived in for years is no longer a tutor home, but a brick house. Imagine trying to persuade people that your memory is right, when there is evidence (and other people's memories) to support the current reality. Imagine how relieved you would feel to discover you are not the only one who remembers it the way you do.

This is the situation we are in. Most of us are not nearly as interested in proving that this thing exists to you as you think we are. Most of us are still coming to terms with it, still trying to make sense of it, and enjoying discussing it with each other. It is a mystery to everyone.

Mongolia was never a country? Guess those Chinese built that Great wall for nothing.
Silly Chinese.

originally posted by: alienDNA
Just looked at an interview with Tom Cruise in 1993, on Arsenio Hall.
Theyre discussing the movie Interview with THE vampire.
www.youtube.com...

at 1:43.
So if reality changed, its pretty impressive.

What's really funny is that under the # of views area where information about the video can be seen, it says that they are discussing Interview With A Vampire! LOL

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: hidingthistime

OH MY GAWD! ANOTHER MANDELA EFFECT!

in my old world Jimmy Hendrix in purple haze said," excuse me while I kiss this guy" now he say's the sky..

I have a hearing problem. Fwiw, "this guy" and "the sky" sound exactly the same to me.

originally posted by: Habit4ming

originally posted by: alienDNA
Just looked at an interview with Tom Cruise in 1993, on Arsenio Hall.
Theyre discussing the movie Interview with THE vampire.
www.youtube.com...

at 1:43.
So if reality changed, its pretty impressive.

What's really funny is that under the # of views area where information about the video can be seen, it says that they are discussing Interview With A Vampire! LOL

It's just disinformation to hide the truth from us all mate.

originally posted by: Habit4ming

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: hidingthistime

OH MY GAWD! ANOTHER MANDELA EFFECT!

in my old world Jimmy Hendrix in purple haze said," excuse me while I kiss this guy" now he say's the sky..

I have a hearing problem. Fwiw, "this guy" and "the sky" sound exactly the same to me.

Wasn't it Jimmey?