The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

a reply to: Profusion

Allright. Well, our mind sure is a tricky thing!
I too have vivid memories of places that doesnt even exist.
Its freaky, to think Ive just dreamed it.
Feels incredibly real, and the memories are as clear as daylight.
As vivid and lucid as me writing this very sentence.
But since that place doesnt exist (too bad, I would love to go back there), I guess I must've dreamed it.
Thats the only logical and rational explanation.

Something that very well could have been the cause of those extremely vivid dreams are, I was addicted to Tramadol at the time, and I was extremely under that influence during those "trips" to that place. Yes, I was there a few times.
It was a secret-ish place, so that when you were there, it was very special.
At the center, there was a place were you could scribble down "xxx was here" or something to that. And I even remember what I wrote, what date and what time.

Incredibly spooky.

And Ive been sober for, oh, about 7 or so months, and I still remember that place as clear as anything. I could literally draw that place, if I knew how to draw :/

My point is, the mind is weird and sometimes just plain freaky.

a reply to: alienDNA

I know what I've experienced. It has nothing to do with my mind playing tricks on me IMHO.

Beijing being in a new place doesn't bother me nearly as much as having entire countries appearing. Also, two continents are way out of place and the Pacific Ocean is now far bigger than it used to be. Even then, that's scratching the surface.

The people in the following video do a decent job summing up essentially what seems to be happening from my point of view (I probably agree with 75% of it or so). Just in case you want to know.


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a reply to: Profusion

Ive seen that video. Those people, without causing any insult, seem to me, completely certifiable.

(For those who havnt watched/dont want to watch: The theme is "We are chosen by god to ascend, and those left behind on earth will experience the full rapture.")


I noticed you said "i know what ive experienced".
This seems to be a common theme. Another person also said something similar; "i know what i know".
But thats not really saying anything.
And it doesnt really show an open minded person IMO.
Shows rather the contrary.
Are you open to the fact that you might be remembering it wrong? Cause if not, well, you already decided.
May I also ask, are you a christian?

a reply to: TombEscaper

You have demonstrated no such thing.

a reply to: TombEscaper

Your reading comprehension escapes you. "If you will" indicates I am asking you if you will allow me to use it as an analogy.

And I did answer your questions. No wrecking ball showed up. Your are using examples of memory that we have to recall on a regular basis and comparing it to recalled long term memory.

a reply to: tweetie

Only many of those papers are decades old...it disproves your point.

a reply to: TombEscaper

Your questions were answered very specifically, as anyone can see.

a reply to: hidingthistime

I believe you said it was in the left rib cage...

a reply to: alienDNA

If the roles were reversed here, I would probably write the same something similar to what you just did. But, since you're saying the people in the "Mandela Effect - Evidence of The Shift" video seem "completely certifiable", anything else we would discuss on this topic would be moot. I don't agree with their view of this being the "rapture" BTW. When I wrote that I agreed with about 75% of what they said, that was part of it I didn't agree with.

Of course I'm going to be close minded when you're trying to convince me that the Beijing I visited multiple times may have been a figment of my imagination. You have no idea what I experienced there, you don't know who I am or what I've done. Beijing being to the north of Liaoning is as real to me as the computer that I'm typing on now. It couldn't be more real.

However, things have changed for me. I have no problem with that.

Do you expect me to listen to some stranger on an anonymous forum who's telling me to question my past experiences because my mind may have been playing tricks on me? Does that sound reasonable to you?

I'm glad I chatted with you here. I will be extremely careful who I tell about this awareness shift I've had. I may tell no one in my personal life. I don't want them to react the way you just did.

You're suggesting that I'm closed-minded for not questioning whether my experiences happened or not?

I'm of the opinion that the only thing you really have in life are your experiences and your awareness of them. If you lose those things at all, you lose what it means to exist.

Could those experiences have been a false memory? Yes. Could I ever determine that? No.

That's why I would never go further in the direction of questioning the experiences. I know where Beijing was and I know why I went there. I know what I experienced there. There's nothing else for me to examine about it. The experiences were as real as can be.

Thanks for your input on this matter.

Have you ever heard the expression, "You should be open-minded but not so open-minded that your brain falls out"? I don't remember it exactly but that phrase is coming to mind now.

a reply to: hidingthistime

This continues to be your problem. You are literally watching an uneducated persons video and accepting it at face value because it agrees with your view. It's as it always is with the ME crowd. Confirmation BIAS ftw.

While we're at it the Bible's been changed too. It is believed CERN has something to do with the supposed ME, going back in time and changing some superficial things.

a reply to: luciferslight

It always said wolf. Are lions known for wearing sheeps clothing so they can eat the lambs?

a reply to: Profusion

The fact you've pre-ruled out your mind playing tricks on you is the problem.

a reply to: UnBreakable

OMFG for the last time. It has always been WOLF. When have lions ever been known for sneaking away with lambs and eating them?? WOLVES DO THAT!!

Anyone who thinks it was Lion has never read the bible, and if they claim they have then they need to read it again, because they didn't do a good job.

Also, as has been pointed out, CERN was not the first particle accelerator online. That's just something uneducated people fall back on to try and explain fantasy.

a reply to: Profusion

Hmm. Where did I try to convince you of anything? Or "tell" you anything?
Im a bit dumbfounded really, by your reaction.
I merely proposed, your memory might be fallible like the rest of us, that includes memories of travel.
Which I gave an example to, with my own life. I really dont understand why you took it on the level you did.
Saying "I know what I know" or anything to that effect, in regards to a memory - especially a long term one - isnt really right, IMO. (By the very nature of how our memory works, filling in blanks, confabulating, etc.)
Thats all.
Obviously you choose what you want to believe whatever I say. Its up to you.
All I can do is to propose something more grounded and rational - to the extremes of that video and others like it.

a reply to: UnBreakable

How is CERN connected to "ME"?

If I would draw a diagram - that connection would look something like this:

CERN --- delusion --- ME


Im getting a bit crass now, and Im ok with that. Some of you need a 'rude awakening', a good old shake, to get back up from that rabbit hole. Know Im doing it out of love.

Growing up I watched Thundercats. All the time. Now if it changed suddenly to Thunderkats I'd know it was wrong. It wouldn't matter what other people told me. I wouldn't need to prove anything to you because it affected me regardless of your input. For you maybe it was always Thunderkats. Memories are fallible, but if you watch something, buy the product often, etc....then it's not just a one off long term memory, which I could imagine being incorrect.

I don't need to prove anything to non believers to know what happened. If you don't believe then great. Don't believe. Maybe you lived in a world of no changes, or maybe only strong minds can break thru to the truth. I don't know.

Just because something can't be proven it doesn't make it unreal. There are tons of unidentified oceanic species. We know this, but it can't be proven because we haven't explored the entire ocean. Well maybe we don't have the full capability to prove ME incidents yet, but it doesn't automatically make them false.

I am a liberal, scientific minded female. I like proof. My dad is the same way. Ghosts aren't proven but he has seen one. My dad, the biggest skeptic ever. He described it to the elderly granddaughter of the original house builder and she showed him a pic, it was him down to the hat and cravat. Therefore, he has to believe now. He experienced it. Since I trust my dad totally I now believe in them.

It's the same thing here. Until you experience such a change in your memory them you will never believe. We can't 100% prove it to you. We just know it's true to us and to say it isn't is insulting. I'm not crazy, I'm not having a wrong memory. I read the Berenstein bear books and watched them a lot. If I'd only ever read one book them yes, maybe I'd think my memory was wrong. But that isn't the case.

So think we are delusional. Maybe one day you'll believe when something similar happens to you.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
It is believed CERN has something to do with the supposed ME, going back in time and changing some superficial things.

Why? why would they go back in time and change superficial things? what's the purpose? And which changes? Because many changes have been proven to be misspellings, for example Depend has always been Depend, Froot Loops have always been Froot Loops, Barbra Streisand has always been called Barbra.
See HERE, HERE, HERE.

a reply to: UnBreakable

Who believes CERN did this, apart from the crackpot of the video?

Why would CERN change the Bible and why only change only superficial things?

It doesn't make any sense, not only because their technology doesn't produce time travel....

a reply to: proloz

Something similar has happened to me SEVERAL times as Ive stated here SEVERAL times.
I count about 7 MEs in my own life.

The problem lies -

We just know it's true to us and to say it isn't is insulting. I'm not crazy, I'm not having a wrong memory.

You CANNOT "know". That is the nature of our memories especially long term ones.
We just CANNOT trust them. And once you realise that, then all the MEs will go away.
It did for me.
Now, when I think about my personal MEs - there is nothing strange about them anymore, cause my brain adjusted to the correct "non-ME" "version".
If that makes sense.

But as long as you are being stubborn with "we know what we know" - you'll continue to be stuck in this rabbit hole.