The emasculation of the modern male

Ahahah, good one! you guys in Britain always had a good sense of 'fair play'

About the SFTH scenario, is it me, or we had an accentuaded social degrade since 2012? it wasn't the end of the world, but...

In any case, most people would stop being 'cyberjunkies' or would die of depression out of boredom, to some would be a return to old roots, the family, agriculture, hunting-gathering and face to face bartering with neighbours through goods.

originally posted by: manuelram16
I do believe were headed to a scenario from a 1987 movie

Or how about another movie I believe to be inextricably linked with this thread...
Fight Club

I bet someone already mentioned this movie in this thread, but, just in case...
I'm busy and on my mobile, but, maybe someone can find the scene where he explains why they fight.

(paraphrased) "During the workweek, Dave was just a lowly waiter, but on Friday nights at the club, he was a god!"

I actually feel like it's kind of the opposite situation in Australia. If you're not a footy loving, beer drinking, tough looking man than you will find it extremely hard to fit in at social events. And if you're a nerd it's even worse, having a high intelligence is not going to win you many points, and will probably result in you being shunned if you try to spark up intelligent conversations which aren't about sports. How about we just let men be men and stop expecting them to always be macho men.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I know a couple of lads in Oz, one of them spent most of an evening talking me through quantum entanglement.
We got chatting on a bike forum, he's a member of the Gladiators mc.
It's possible to be into footy and clever.

a reply to: onequestion

You are missing the real problem. It is physically impossible to fist fight while wearing skinny jeans, not to mention the modern male also has super long bieber hair covering at least one eye. The other reason they avoid fisticuffs is the high chance of smudging your lipstick or eyeliner. It just isn't worth the risk to the modern male.

When the "tough" and "cool" rappers wear actual dresses on stage, you know that manliness is dead.

originally posted by: primespickle
Well, I am so sorry that you men find life so hard because you can't be destructive and primitive willy nilly.

What ever happened with the idea wanting to EVOLVE as a species? Why do you prefer to act like cavemen? What ever happened to progress?

So... for you, evolving and progressing is something only MEN need to do? Women are "already there"- we've done all we needed to do??

-And aggressivity is synonymous with violence and hostility? There is no positive form of it?

I disagree strongly with BOTH of these ideas.

As individuals and as a collective, I think finding balance in the Yin and Yang is desirable. Learning to appreciate both and understand their value. Perhaps the rise of China as the next big world power will help us begin exploring eastern philosophy on this point.

There is positive forms of aggressivity, just as there is of passivity. Women can benefit from learning to appreciate men and their own masculine qualities, just as much as men benefit from learning to appreciate women and their own feminine qualities.

I don't know, this current feminist theory that society needs a period of "payback", in which women become dominant and punishing, and men are oppressed, to make up for past imbalances just strikes me as WRONG.

For one, though I think there was some disbalances in the past, I think women were totally willing co-creators of that.
They knew the benefit of passive aggressivity, covert manipulation, and attaining illegitamate power without responsibility, and they embraced it.

As an individual, I guess I don't feel willing to sacrifice my own evolution and progression for society.
But in any case, even if you do feel the tables need to be turned now and want to be part of that imbalance, then you should be happy- because the men are learning how to use victimization, martyrism and guilt in the same way women used for it a long time. They will learn the secrets. So when they start complaining that they feel oppressed and de-valued, that is a sign that your vision of evolutionary progression is happening- do your part and accept your responsibility as an oppressor-tyrant.

-Oh and another view , which is relevant in a conspiracy theory site is that TPTB have a reason to really want the members of society to oppress the natural aggressive instincts!

They know the effect of taboo- repressing drives makes them simmer and ferment within becoming much stronger and forceful. The pressure to release them becomes stronger with time.

First step- make it socially taboo to express any aggressivity whatsoever.
As the pressure in men grow,
The only acceptable outlet for them is then provided- entering the military.

In this fashion, the natural friendly physical challenges of youth for developing knowledge of ones own body, senses, strength and impact upon others is turned into a delayed expression of murderous mindless violence, controlled and directed by the government. Humans can be bred and trained much in the way Pitbulls were.

(okay, it also means there will be a few popping off of young men who go on shooting sprees in schools instead of reserving it for the battlefield, but that is still worth the ultimate pay off of having world control, as any good capitalist can calculate)

Well it's good to know no ats males have been emasculated. Just those other males, but not us. What a surprising outcome

originally posted by: Substracto
a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

Now you painted one root of the origin of SJWs

Take responsibility got your own actions and stop blaming others especially feminists and SJWs how can it possibly be their fault you have let yourself become emasculated unless they kicked your ass

I was watching a program on London in Roman period londinium. While building a new rail way they discovered 500 male skulls from the gladiator fights, that used to take place near by. The loser would have their heads severed. The good old days for you

Lots of egos go bump in the night especially on Friday and Saturday nights... if one cant cope to loss at billiards, darts, debate or the affections of some young thang then its time to get animal style? Kudos Darwin wins again and so do lawyers, private prisions that will house your fistacuff asses for 30k per year at the expense of tax payers.

There are more healthy coping mechanisms out there for people of all sorts to vent their feelings of inadeaquacy, some creative "manly" pursuits like art in custom cars, motorcycles, chopping/carving wood or shooting/punching digital people in the face like in video gaming, or taking up martial arts or boxing and competing... you know constructive things; things that can be a valuable asset to oneself and others even a source of income if you get good enough at it and a benefit to society instead of derpa derpa ima meathead care to be one too and tenderize each other with a good pounding?

sounds latently homosexual, not that theres anything wrong with that, but hey when its socially acceptable... Im sure a position called top has a bottom waiting for you to dominate them you manly man you.

Now of course you might get those hackles up at the mere suggestion of this or... Hey I aint no kinda gay and want to prove some dominance... and well at that sort of rebuttal youd have already failed. Barbarism is not the answer and as The Smiths have sang? It begins at home... and that whole did daddy not hug you enough or hug you innapropriately? You see why such things are not appropriate in an ethical society and why people need therapy when the influx of religious morals becomes a detriment on the public and in its streets trying to control who you love, who you can be, as a sheep, a follower to be herded, and controlled in a dance monkey dance fashion by those pulling those strings on you... but oh no, Im in control of myself... obviously not if it comes to blows and theres a couple different types of those. Which one may be repressed and which one is swinging?

As an adult there are choices but as an adult acting out of immaturity; for various reasons(family, small town, friends, whomever wont accept you for you so it gets hidden and surfaces in other ways) there are places that such people get put if they want to act like animals in society and well just like a zoo with other animals the ones in cities have bars too.

So redirecting that energy is adult, is responsible, is actually "manly" and something to be respected and admired as a role model in society to others that need such guidance... where its "manly" to abandon ones responsibility of the women and children they parent irresponsibly, now that is not to be taken by skin tone as that is accross the board from oat sowers... as any single mother will tell you... many "boys" in a mans body will enjoy the practice of making them... and once one is made, good luck finding a real man to raise a "boys" child instead of more "boys" just wanting practice.

Some may want to blame music, well hey its not music making those choices... they just tell the tale as entertainment, but baah baah cant help but make their life immitate art instead of using ones life as an artform and be a benefit to society and oneself and ones family if they are even worth being family... some family just control control control no matter someones age, because theyve no control over themselves and belief champions over their actual experience... its like all the anti drug people that have never touched any making policy and spouting ideas and belief... opinion invalid, no experience means no experience so ones mouth shouldnt be signing up for the job to offer up only more ignorance... enough of that in society already by spokes people and paid studies to sway the ignorants opinion... ignorance obviously votes quite often buys out elections to keep those segregationist economic circles spinning, but they buy the pander hook line and sinker, instead of the actual truth of the corruption bought and paid to lie to you for those votes.

So hey, obviously a lot of social issues are never handled with ethics because of the moralist cree confusing the two together, so much so they took over the US government and inacted a holy war on their biblical enemy... anit that some $h!+? of course all of this inequality now, is why you see the bathroom debate, the religious freedom laws, etc. which are illegal on the very foundation of separation of church and state, keep it in your churches, temples, synogoges, mosques and homes... the street is the public where all feet meet and its insanity to suggest people go toe to toe over anything especially belief.

Why do people say it takes balls to be tough? They are sensitive and weak... A vagina? Now that, can really take a pounding. ~Betty White

a reply to: woodwardjnr


Im not blaming anyone, Im just trying to figure out, where the hardcore SJWs come from. Did I struck a nerve?



The good old days make me nostalgic, heads off!

a reply to: Substracto you didn't strike a nerve but from what I can tell no one in this thread feels emasculated it's just other males. So if you've become emasculated by SJWs or feminists, I can only concur it's your own fault or they have kicked your ass in a fight making you feel less of a man

a reply to: woodwardjnr

Never fought any, so, I dont get your point

Well how can they make you feel emasculated by them then. a reply to: Substracto
Or haven't you been emasculated at all like everyone else in this thread. All these males in this threadand non of us have been emasculated. Which kind of refutes the premis of the op.

There is no male emasculation. Certainly nothing experienced by any males here so why be blaming SJWs for something that doesn't effect anyone in this thread

a reply to: woodwardjnr

They dont, you didnt get my point either.

MagnaCarta made this reference: "These days young men are frightened, isolated, protected from the world with fragile egos and avoid pain at all costs which leads to entire gangs of afraid manchildren stomping out a person"

And I wrote that it was one of the probable origins of SJWs, mostly in abstract way, not really blaming anyone.

a reply to: Substracto

And the ego is what swings that fist in anger, hate, greed, domination, and ignorance so deluded... its triumph that actually raises the fist in solidarity in the name of all people together as one, not in groups, not by ideologies but as one whole moving forward... thats where the real power lay, in the hands of all people working together not dragging past mistakes forward and trying to settle old scores 1000s of years old generation after generation in a futility of nonsense... when all people everywhere want peace happiness and stability and a chance to raise their own families in peace and see them prosper, no one is preventing that except those that profit off of it by the very inequality and segregation it creates in its perpetuation.

Ive been approached countless times, to stop my voice of equality, to embrace the divides and disparity because they say "some people are weak, stupid and inadequate"... and I simply leave the ones saying that to their ignorance and keep on walking, cause they are the ones really stuck and mired by their own ignorance due to greed and learned hate... its delusional thinking, but thanks to that ignorance being so embedded in cognitive dissonance? Its likely they wont ever see it, theres hope they do... but I dont have the time to sit around keeping such miserly misery company as Im always working for a better tomorrow in every waking moment walking it to the best of my ability.

Some may call me a social justice warrior, um thanks for the slur I guess? Social equality is a just cause, so it aint nothing but a thing... the fight of course doesnt take place inside of me, as theres no ego nor desire of materiality to chain me in up in such an ignorant place. I was already chained up in that nonsense, crucified by that nonsense, I took that time sit, and clean out my inner house, burn that damn thing to the ground where it couldnt even exist inside... thats the true jihad if anyone likes to confuse that term outwardly, perhaps Christ kicking out money changers in the temple was metaphorical to all those saying he could profit from being a prophet...

So silly this notion of control of others, when people have not taken the time to control themself, conquer that self... that ego that would do you more harm and damage than any enemy one could ever face. So weak? Hmm concepts grasped out of ignorance in a desire to control will bind you by your own chains self created by that ego everytime.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I make a distinction between what is now called as Social Justice Warriors and Activists, or at least Im trying to. To me an Activist is someone who is certain of what he defendes, has mature views on what he pursues and moderates his anger or uses it in productive ways, considering freedom of speech of everyone involved and uses clear ideas on debates, one that can actually use reason and make points. A Social Justice Warrior, is the opposite, thats my opinion, but Im still forming the rest.
I like your post, very mature views there, a lot of soulsearching involved too.

I think men need to be tested, we need physical activity, competition especially in the younger years. It helps shape us going forward, and in most cases teaches us how to deal with adversity... and I mean actually deal with it, not run to a "safe space" BS.

We have people in college now that have no idea how to deal with adversity, from a history stand point I look at them going good lord what would have happened if we had these snow flakes during the civil rights movement.

Heck... get parents to start being parents and stop being friends would help a lot in this area.