The emasculation of the modern male

a reply to: onequestion


I was about to say In the previous post that more often than not, it seems the people who deserve to get their teeth knocked in never do....

And decent folks aren't always as lucky.

I think its because it takes a whole lot to push a humble sleeper into confrontation.

and petty bs, while annoying, just doesn't get them there.

I've been jumped twice, knocked out with a sucker punch once,had my bottom lip gashed open, wrestled all the way down a couple flights of stairs and almost stabbed once. Fighting is not good,fun or healthy and I hate jails and hospitals. Fighting is something you do if absolutely necessary to protect yourself, your loved one and innocents.

People now a days do not fight the way they did decades ago, a knife, gun or ambush tactics come into play a lot. You never know how far the other person will go if there is no one there to stop them if they beat you to unresponsiveness. Nothing wrong with practicing martial arts in a controlled and structured environment though.

a reply to: GoShredAK

You have to be assessed as a serious threat for a confrontation with me I'll usually laugh at you and try to walk away.

I don't like hurting someone willy nilly with my level of training its all too easy trust me I learned the hard way.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

That's part of the weak minded coward culture were talking about.

originally posted by: onequestion
I realized I struggled getting this point across but I'm on a train with little sleep and I think some of you may help me out here.

I've never struck anyone in anger or intentionally injured anybody. My gut instinct is that it has more to do with the physical abuse I suffered early in life than not being able to if it was a survival situation. Our dad used to always say that you'd never been in a "Real" fight unless you'd reached the point where you told the other guy, "Okay, you win. I've had enough" and the other guy says, "Oh no you haven't!" and keeps on kicking your *ss.

The removal of societal acceptance of youthful physical aggression is only one side of the equation. Perhaps society would benefit from more that realized seeing how far you can push someone comes with the risk of finding out. Even a mouse can give a nasty bite when it's backed into a corner.

Just the fact you knock someone with a sucker punch says a lot about the lack of any honour. In an abstract way, even in a fight you can be a Gentleman.

a reply to: CornShucker

The fighting side of it is just the microcosm of a bigger what i consider problem.

Its like were totally losing what makes us human in the process of the desire for perfect control

We are being controlled and the humanity is being surpresssed.

a reply to: onequestion

You do realize that the whole brain-damage issue facing the NFL applies to your entire theory, right?

So what I am asking is: Why should we take advice on what is healthy from the drain-bramaged?

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
I agree with a lot of what the op says. For me I see the classical male erroding as siciety emasculates the definition of what it means to be a man.

I see a problem when men dont know how to work with their hands or do physical labor. Where men dont know how to use tools or frame a wall or swing a hammer. When men dont know f all about their environment and cant name the plants around them of telk you which direction they are standing. Where men are flimsy and built fir show and not to go. Where their fashion is more important that their skill sets. Where guys cant fish ir hunt or track or navigate the woods. Where guys are afraid of mild physical pain. Where guys have no I terest in learning how wrapons work or how to defend whats important to them. Where guys hide their opinions to not offend everybody and never speak their mind from a mans perspective. Its all really sickening to me.

This is what I believe is more important with regards to Emasculation of men in the U.S. and the West. Fighting is not the only "masculine" thing - learning how to work with your hands, knowing basic mechanics, having a protective instinct over those who you hold dear: those are the sorts of things I feel are eroding and are having an adverse effect on society.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: CornShucker

The fighting side of it is just the microcosm of a bigger what i consider problem.

Its like were totally losing what makes us human in the process of the desire for perfect control

We are being controlled and the humanity is being surpresssed.

I totally agree on that! When making the quality of food that you put into your body becomes another "disorder" listed in the DSM, it's pretty clear that human nature is being micro-managed to death. (I'm probably displaying something unbalanced by saying that! [Big Grin])

a reply to: chuck258

Exactly I totally agree.

Fighting may have been the wrong example in the OP but I just woke up from a nap.

A business suit is looked at as more masculine than the electrical workers slacks when in reality the suite couldn't chop wood to save his life.

Its the total inversion of reality Its a tenant of luciferianism or however you say it to invert gods or the universes natural law or truth and pervert it.

a reply to: onequestion

It's no question that martial arts can build self esteem, provide confidence, instill discipline, and simply just let a person get out their aggression in a safe and controlled manner.

I think that if more "disadvantaged" (for lack of a better term) youth had access to training we would see a decrease in criminal activity in the neighborhoods they live in.

There are cool organizations that try to help with such things...

www.guardiangym.org...

Hopefully, this will catch on more.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
Maybe the aggression is not just about aggression. What is always being withheld? Sex.
Sex is natural and it is secret in humans and hard to come by - clothes are worn and there is no sex happening in the streets. Of course not - we are civilized!!

In the Bonobo (a primate) world there is no warring or conflict - it is all settled with sex - it chills the males out.

Just a thought.

pretty sure I've seen videos of primate groups battling it out, even eating each other...

I am liking your threads lately. This one is a bold statement, but has some sense behind it. Men might communicate through fighting.

Let me tell you a story. One time, I was playing Shadowrun (a futuristic D&D game) with some friends and we got into some disagreements about how everyone should be playing their characters. Well afterwards, since the owner of the house was into Belegarth, we all went outside and beat the # out of each other with foam weapons. When we were done, we all got along fine.

You are kind of saying that civilization has begun to make us artificial.

originally posted by: Substracto
a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

ahaha, so true! Sometimes the biggest enemies become the best friends! Even in heated arguments without fist fights, I made some madly weird friendships with debates!

That happened to me. There was this guy who everyone was wary of, he was 18, I was 15. He was close on 7 ft and built like a brick outhouse. Back in the days of Skinheads and he was the meanest one around. Me and some mates were drinking in the Garrick in Hereford (ell known for under age drinking back then) and he decided it was my turn to get the treatment. Anyway, to cut to the chase, we had words and ended up walking down the corridor to go outside and fight and I thought I may as well try and get my licks in early cos I was sure to get my ar5e kicked, so I jumped up and twatted him on the back of the head as hard as I ever hit anyone. All he did was turn round and hit me in the jaw. I must have flown 6 feet through the air to land infront of the table my mates were at. I can still remember their expressions now

He lumbers over, grabs me by my lapels and hauls me up then takes me to the bar to buy me a snakebite. He said he liked the bottle I'd shown and we have been good friends ever since. (It got easier to hang out with him once he had grown up and calmed down a bit)...Fair play, things were wild back in the day.

a reply to: onequestion

When resources are scarce we see true human nature come forth. The fact is if the SHTF scenario happens things will all revert to the human default of "might makes right". Our current society is an artificial construct of civility that could not exist without technology and mind control.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: onequestion

When resources are scarce we see true human nature come forth. The fact is if the SHTF scenario happens thing will all revert to the human default of might makes right. Our current society is an artificial construct of civility that could not exist without technology and mind control.

I pray to Jupitar Optimus Maximus for anarchy.

There comes a point when you need a good old-fashioned purge. We're at the point where this can't be fixed, it can only be wiped clean, and we start over from scratch. Maybe in the next go-around, we'll do things right.

It's gonna be pure gold seeing all the "strong victims" and "empowered women" trying to cope in a free-for-all.

a reply to: Metallicus

Lucky me I've had scarce resources to the extreme multiple times

I guess that's what makes me so original

a reply to: Talorc

Were at the point where aliens are introduced into mainstream consciousness