Abortion doctors would lose medical licenses under new Oklahoma bill

originally posted by: Annee
I support LIVING CHILDREN. The self-righteous believers can take their precious "morals" and go take care of those children. When ALL of them are cared for - - then you can talk to me.

Exactly. If (God forbid) I found out tomorrow that Scout (my fetus) was lacking essential organs and would not survive much past birth...I'm supposed to suffer through the next 2 months...$40 per week for a chiropractor, $40 per month for my psychiatrist, not being able to clean my house properly because it hurts to move and bend over, not picking up my 2 year old because it hurts. All so I can be admitted into a hospital for a c-section (major abdominal surgery). Plus the cost of all the extra care for a deformed newborn. Then the cost of a funeral. Then the recovery from the c-section, needing help taking care of my kids and house. Pushing my window of trying to have a 3rd and final child back to the age of 38 for me- every year after 35 being more and more high risk.

All because some Christian I've never met....who will never help me pay my bills....who will never help take care of my 2 BORN children....who calls fetuses Holy Innocents (ThirdEyeofHorus)....who completely ignore the fact that God created the fetus deformed and completely unable to survive...
'believes' that abortion is murder.

Like you said, Annee- pay my bills, take care of my kids, be right here front and center doing the Christian thing....THEN maybe we can discuss what I can and can't do with my body.


* And if any of my children happen to grow up to be transgendered, by God, let them take a piss wherever they feel most comfortable. No harm, no foul.

a reply to: Rocker2013

We've had sex ed for some time now. The new sex Ed puts boy heads on girl bodies and vice versa. Yah the State is doing a great job and they call it national sexuality education standards. We' ll see how it does.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

I would definitely abort a defective fetus.

Saving it is not for the child sake - - - that's stupid.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Most sex ed (especially in red states) focus on abstinence only.

The show "16 and Pregnant" had more impact on lowering teenage pregnancy because it honestly showed what teenagers would be facing if they got knocked up.

Truth laid bare and uncensored fact is never a bad thing. If sex ed addressed the transgender issue, maybe kids that feel that way would know they're not alone. And maybe the other kids would think twice before harassing and bullying those that are different. How can a Christian not support compassionate behavior?

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie
YES the unborn ARE the Holy Innocents!!!!!!
Defy it all you like your choice.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
If sex ed addressed the transgender issue, maybe kids that feel that way would know they're not alone. And maybe the other kids would think twice before harassing and bullying those that are different. How can a Christian not support compassionate behavior?

They should teach all sides of sexuality/gender.

Keeping kids stupid - - - well "keeps kids stupid".

I first teach "everyone is their heart" - - - to look past everything except who that person is.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie
YES the unborn ARE the Holy Innocents!!!!!!
Defy it all you like your choice.

That is YOUR belief.

It is not MY belief.

There is no Holy in fact.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

it's also funny how it's oh so immoral to teach sex education in schools but then there's a bunch of anti abortion protestors pressuring a school and parents of three year olds to discuss abortion to them.. that seems to be a tad bit hypocritical to me!

and I don't see where someone standing up for a groups rights is forcing our morality down you throats. I think you have it backwards here. trying to strip a group's rights from for behavior that is harming no one because you don't agree with their behavior on moral grounds seems to be forcing your morality onto others. sorry.

and when it goes to the point where you are expecting women to risk their lives and physical well being for non-viable fetuses that have no possible chance to live... which this law does... it seems to me that yous have no reasonable justification outside of your "godly" moral standing! which to me is the ultimate of forcing your belief on others, oh yes, die for the sake of the child that is doomed anyway, we believe that is what is right in the eyes of god!!!

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie perhaps you've not seen the newest books. I have. It's ridiculous to present boy heads on girl bodies as natural state of things.
And of course when your child is born she will begin getting this as early as kindergarten. www.coursehero.com...
As well
As sharing bathrooms with transgendered boys or even with boys who just dsy they want to be or identify with being girls. But I'm sure you were well aware of that and completely on board with it. I'm sure this is exactly the dream feminists have had all along.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie perhaps you've not seen the newest books. I have. It's ridiculous to present boy heads on girl bodies as natural state of things.

I would like to see that book.

Link please.

Here is a list of 41 books for: Transgender Friendly Young Children's Books

Sexuality/gender is developed in utero. It's biological. Which means kids are transgender.

www.goodreads.com...

a reply to: dawnstar

Dawn how long have we had sex Ed and how much has it reduced the number of abortions? Do you have some statistics you could share? Do you really feel that if we just extend sex ed to kindergarteners and make all sex ed more explicit that will somehow reduce abortions? Do you really feel it is responsible to convince 5th graders that he or she has a natural choice to be a boy or girl with this propaganda of boy heads on girl bodies ? What has society come to? Just remember you get the society you build.

New Clarity for the U.S. Abortion Debate: A Steep Drop in Unintended Pregnancy Is Driving Recent Abortion Declines

• The abortion decline between 2008 and 2011 was driven by a steep drop in unintended pregnancy, which in turn is most plausibly explained by more and better contraceptive use. • New evidence contradicts arguments by abortion opponents that the 2008–2011 abortion decline resulted from more women carrying unintended pregnancies to term because of state abortion restrictions or because they chose to do so of their own accord. • These findings have major implications for the U.S. abortion debate as, among other things, they validate that supporting and expanding women’s access to contraceptive services leads to a lower incidence of abortion.www.guttmacher.org...

a reply to: Annee
Decided in utero not after birth.
What are you on
About annee? If it's decided already in
Utero why all the propaganda to have a ex changes? Or to convince kids their gender is not what was "assigned to them at birth"? You cannot have it both ways you cannot indoctrinate them that they have the choice and then say it's already decided b4 birth???? This is one of the most irrational and incongruous things I've ever heard

Guttmacher Institute has it all - - BTW

SEX EDUCATION POLICY • Currently, 22 states and the District of Columbia mandate both sex and HIV education; two states mandate sex education alone, and another 12 states mandate only HIV education.[15] • A total of 37 states require that sex education include abstinence: Twenty-six require that abstinence be stressed, while eleven simply require that it be included as part of the instruction.[15] • Eighteen states and the District of Columbia require that sex education programs include information on contraception; no state requires that it be stressed.[15] • Thirteen states require that the information presented in sex and HIV education classes be medically accurate.[15] • Twenty-six states and the District of Columbia require that sex education be age-appropriate.[15] www.guttmacher.org...

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Annee
Decided in utero not after birth.
What are you on
About annee? If it's decided already in
Utero why all the propaganda to have a ex changes? Or to convince kids their gender is not what was "assigned to them at birth"? You cannot have it both ways you cannot indoctrinate them that they have the choice and then say it's already decided b4 birth???? This is one of the most irrational and incongruous things I've ever heard

Ignorance is a choice.

Sexual orientation and gender are formed in utero.

Gender - - the brain tells you, not your physical body. Mostly the brain and physical body match. Not always.

Sexuality - - who you are sexually attracted to.

a reply to: Annee

Not everything is online. I've seen
The physical books for 5th grade and under. I was on a committee on Common
Core with Debra Lamm actually
Before she was elected as state rep montanansagainstcommoncore.com... Sooooo gender is decided in utero but the child had no identity till
After birth... Such propaganda

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie perhaps you've not seen the newest books. I have. It's ridiculous to present boy heads on girl bodies as natural state of things.
And of course when your child is born she will begin getting this as early as kindergarten. www.coursehero.com...
As well
As sharing bathrooms with transgendered boys or even with boys who just dsy they want to be or identify with being girls. But I'm sure you were well aware of that and completely on board with it. I'm sure this is exactly the dream feminists have had all along.

Sorry to burst your holy bubble, but homosexuality and transsexuality ARE the natural state of things. Both have existed as long as humans have. As well as hypersexuality and asexuality.

I've explained to my first grader what a 'whore' is, what 'gay' is, what 'prostitution' is. She saw 2 men kissing and said "I hate gay people", boy she got a good lecture for that one. You know what I told her? I told her that she shouldn't HATE anyone. If she likes boys when she gets older, great. If she happens to like girls instead (or too), that's fine as well. And if a man wants to love another man, then good for them, it's THEIR business not hers. But never HATE anyone. My job as her parent is to prepare her for the world, not protect her from it. I'm not technically a Christian but I believe we should have nothing but compassion and acceptance for our fellow man. You don't have to agree with someone's differences, but you should respect them as a human being and respect the fact that they have the right to have such differences.

I think it would do some Christians a lot of good to read up on the words and deeds of their homeboy, Jesus Christ.

As for the bathroom issue:
I have used public women's restrooms for the past 37 years. I was also a cop for 7 years. I've personally never encountered a transexual in a bathroom, or if I have they were so discreet that I didn't even notice. Even as a cop I received ONE call about a peeping Tom in a women's restroom. And it was an ordinary (slightly pervy) hetero male, dressed as a male peeking through the cracks in the stalls. The fact that an entire state government thought it was such an issue that they had to pass a law is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of in my life.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie first I
Have no problem with you as a parent explaining things to your own children. I do have a problem with the State mandating this stuff in place of gen ed . There IS a difference. I don't give a rats patoot if you were a cop and is that supposed to intimidate me and /or make your judgement superior? From a Leo point of view if someone comes into my home and rifles through my stuff but I don't know about it does that make it ok? But I do get that you don't care and feel that no one else should and that the State should mandate it but not mandate licences for abortion doctors. I was really pointing out the hypocrisy of people yelling about child rights in transgenderism but do not advocate the rights of many millions of aborted children and now people are trying to tell me that even though the unborn have no rights still their gender is formed before birth but that they should be afforded the right by the state to make a Choice that was already made bfore birth. This is what's illogical about progressive values.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

The brain is developed in utero. The brain is where gender identity resides, thus gender identity begins in utero. Genitalia/assigned sex also develops in utero. The vast majority of time, the gender identity in the brain matches what the genitalia is, but sometimes it doesn't. Usually as soon as a child is self aware enough to think about their gender, they know whether their gender identity matches their genitalia.

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