Former slave Harriet Tubman to be new face of US$20 bill: official

a reply to: NobodiesNormal

"Plus a bunch of other horrible legislation"

Isn't that a prime example of what I just said? They can't explain or describe any specific policies. It's usually vauge, wishy-washy stuff like "he's a liar" or, as your example, "a bunch of horrible legislation".

If you're going to criticize, don't get snarky when someone asks you to further explain. You have the issue with the man, the burden is on you to explain why.

A bunch of horrible legislation...? If I recall correctly, Obama hasn't been able to get much legislation through the GOP controlled House and Senate...

NDAA? It was voted through congress by the people who are supposed to represent US, the people...So why not levy some blame on those Congressmen and Senators who voted for it. I believe it passed with a majority as well...

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
a reply to: introvert

if you are someone who doesnt give a damn then this thread does not want your presence, as it is a discussion for people who do give a damn,

are you actually in this thread for the sole purpose of telling people not to be in this thread? not to discuss this?

you dont care then leave, let those who do care discuss without you trying to make them not discuss.

your presence indicates you do actually give a damn despite your statement, if you truly dont give a damn why bother posting here.

Perhaps I felt compelled to point out how absurd it is to have to debate over such a silly topic. Considering that I am a member in good standing with the ability to post in any thread I wish, I will do so at my own leisure, despite those that may approach me in a childish manner, as you did.

right right, and your insistence that "no one should give a damn" wasnt childish at all right? whatever man.

originally posted by: NobodiesNormal

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
a reply to: introvert

if you are someone who doesnt give a damn then this thread does not want your presence, as it is a discussion for people who do give a damn,

are you actually in this thread for the sole purpose of telling people not to be in this thread? not to discuss this?

you dont care then leave, let those who do care discuss without you trying to make them not discuss.

your presence indicates you do actually give a damn despite your statement, if you truly dont give a damn why bother posting here.

Perhaps I felt compelled to point out how absurd it is to have to debate over such a silly topic. Considering that I am a member in good standing with the ability to post in any thread I wish, I will do so at my own leisure, despite those that may approach me in a childish manner, as you did.

right right, and your insistence that "no one should give a damn" wasnt childish at all right? whatever man.

Is that really the best you can do? "Whatever man"?

Jesus, don't people even try anymore?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: NobodiesNormal

"Plus a bunch of other horrible legislation"

Isn't that a prime example of what I just said? They can't explain or describe in any specific policies. It's usually vauge, wishy-washy stuff like "he's a liar" or, as your example, "a bunch of horrible legislation".

Really? If I recall correctly, Obama hasn't been able to get much legislation through the GOP controlled House and Senate...

NDAA? It was voted through congress by the people who are supposed to represent US, the people...So why not levy some blame on those Congressmen and Senators who voted for it. I believe it passed with a majority as well...

you take wont for cant, i could, and have on many occasions in threads where that was the topic, but here in this thread where that is not the topic i was trying to be curt on that subject merely to reply to you since you brought it up.

sure our own representatives deserve some blame for that one but not as much seeing as how they DID stop it and obama forced it through via executive order.

just one of many executive orders he has passed, which is just added reasoning he is a disgrace, google up a list of his executive orders, its easy, rather then expecting me to do it for you in a thread where he is not the topic no less.

a reply to: introvert

try what? to continue arguing with someone who doesnt give a damn? i take that to mean you WANT me to give a damn about you? also doesnt that mean you DO give a damn?

as someone who supposedly doesn't give a damn about the topic of this thread why the hell you still here? go find a thread you can give a damn about...

a reply to: NobodiesNormal

I referring to the desire for people to try to make intelligent responses, instead of teenage retorts.

as someone who supposedly doesn't give a damn about the topic of this thread why the hell you still here? go find a thread you can give a damn about...

Case and point.

Have a good night.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: NobodiesNormal

I referring to the desire for people to try to make intelligent responses, instead of teenage retorts.

as someone who supposedly doesn't give a damn about the topic of this thread why the hell you still here? go find a thread you can give a damn about...

Case and point.

Have a good night.

thats hilarious considering i was clearly quoting your own "teenage retort" back at you.

i see your presence in this thread is nothing more then seeking confrontation, that is the reason i make no efforts to debate you, what is there to debate anyhow? you want me to give you "intelligent responses" on why you "should give a damn" how bout this, in your own language, i dont give a damn if you give a damn. there. get it now? good.

a reply to: crazyewok

I do wish they'd picked a different president other than Jackson to replace. Andrew Jackson was a badass mofo. Dude spent the last 40 years of his life with a bullet lodged in his lung following a duel in which he killed another man for insulting his wife. That's class right there. Far, far too much class to warrant removal from a currency he's been associated with for 88 years. Give her a $5 coin or something.

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
Call me cynical but part of this feels like a decision made to kick out the old evil white slavemaster from the money and stick something real PC on there: a woman -check, not white - Check, and let's make her a slave too in order to really drive the point home.

I think that is pretty much how the thinking went, actually.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: crazyewok

I do wish they'd picked a different president other than Jackson to replace. Andrew Jackson was a badass mofo. Dude spent the last 40 years of his life with a bullet lodged in his lung following a duel in which he killed another man for insulting his wife. That's class right there. Far, far too much class to warrant removal from a currency he's been associated with for 88 years. Give her a $5 coin or something.

Harriet Tubman went her whole life with a debilitating head injury caused by an a*hole slave master.

She rocks, too.

$5 coin? Uh.

ETA: Tubman was far more of a badass mofo, IMO. A $5 coin is so insulting, in context. Awful.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: crazyewok

I do wish they'd picked a different president other than Jackson to replace. Andrew Jackson was a badass mofo. Dude spent the last 40 years of his life with a bullet lodged in his lung following a duel in which he killed another man for insulting his wife. That's class right there. Far, far too much class to warrant removal from a currency he's been associated with for 88 years. Give her a $5 coin or something.

Sounds like a it of a prick to me.

To be fair Id make dueling legal.......but still think measuring a mans worth by the number of fights he was in is silly.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Whatever dude, I wasn't trying to start a Tubman v. Jackson dick swinging contest. I'm not diminishing her, her achievements, or grousing about her being honored... I just don't see any reason to remove the honor already earned by and bestowed upon Jackson. The denomination of the money doesn't even matter... otherwise why in the blue hell would U.S. Grant be on the fifty while Washington is on the $1? Just getting on a piece of United States currency is a pretty damn big deal.

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
Allow me to be that guy.

This seems fine, but why not on a new denomination of a coin or something? Why do we have to remove/replace when we could easily just make a new space for a currency with her on it?

Call me cynical but part of this feels like a decision made to kick out the old evil white slavemaster from the money and stick something real PC on there: a woman -check, not white - Check, and let's make her a slave too in order to really drive the point home.

As other have said Harriet Tubman is certainly worthy of this honor, but on the flip side I don't believe Andrew Jackson is deserving of this kind of dishonor.


In my opinion, Harriet Tubman probably deserved better than being used as a political tool.

research the trail of tears. Jackson deserves to be dishonored

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Exactly. She actually believed in our Republic and for which it stands. One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. She actually went into enemy territory and freed more slaves.

Groups like BLM and other snowflake crackpots have no idea what real courage is. Democrats today hate the values she stood for. She actually believed that one should not be entitled to others earnings at the expense of their hard work. I think she would have looked at the welfare state today and the people that descended from her and she would be ashamed.

A plantation by any other name is still a plantation and the Democrats of today are doing their ancestors that were the slave owners back then proud. The Grand Wizard Hillary aka Kankles marches on.

a reply to: crazyewok

Yeah, you Brits and your genteel nature... remind me again how knights were chosen in England prior to the modern era.

The Cherokee's won in the united states supreme court, Jackson didn't care. He was not a badass mofo. He was a mass murderer.

Trail of Tears

he Cherokees of Georgia, on the other hand, used legal action to resist. The Cherokee people were by no means frontier savages. By the 1830s they developed their own written language, printed newspapers and elected leaders to representative government. When the government of Georgia refused to recognize their autonomy and threatened to seize their lands, the Cherokees took their case to the U.S. Supreme Court and won a favorable decision. John Marshall's opinion for the Court majority in Cherokee Nation v. Georgia was essentially that Georgia had no jurisdiction over the Cherokees and no claim to their lands. But Georgia officials simply ignored the decision, and President Jackson refused to enforce it. Jackson was furious and personally affronted by the Marshall ruling, stating, "Mr. Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it!"

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Whatever dude, I wasn't trying to start a Tubman v. Jackson dick swinging contest. I'm not diminishing her, her achievements, or grousing about her being honored... I just don't see any reason to remove the honor already earned by and bestowed upon Jackson. The denomination of the money doesn't even matter... otherwise why in the blue hell would U.S. Grant be on the fifty while Washington is on the $1? Just getting on a piece of United States currency is a pretty damn big deal.

You are the one that suggested she be on a $5 coin rather than a $10 bill. Clearly, you felt it was important enough to 'devalue' her worth in comparison. I was just picking up on what you were throwing down.

and just think about all the racists out there that will have to look at a picture of a black slave being honored on a 20, every time they have to buy something with it. the irony, for me anyway, is so sweet.

originally posted by: primespickle
They killed two birds with one stone: a black person and a woman

Yeah, Democrats are not going to like this.

originally posted by: jimmyx
i can hear it now, "that'll cost you 2 tubbies, and change"....."hey dad, can i borrow a couple of tubbies to buy mom a birthday present"?

If they're sent by wire or otherwise electronically, are they teletubbies?