HB2, North Carolina mandate to hate homosexuals.

a reply to: Annee

Very informative! Thank you Annee!



For a look at some of the other states proposing anti-trans and anti-LGB legislation, have a look at the National Center For Transgender Equality's Action Center Page and tell me there isn't some kind of war or genocide going on. The hate and fear is absolutely shocking.

Here's an examples:

MISSISSIPPI
House Bill 1258
What it does: Makes it a felony to use a restroom that doesn't match someone's sex assigned assigned at birth, punishable by up to $5000 in fines and 5 years in prison

A freaking FELONY? Fortunately this died in committee.

If you look at the linked page, you will see the vast majority of these bills start out something like this

• Requires students to use single-sex facilities (like restrooms and changing rooms) according to their sex assigned at birth,
  
• Requires K-12 and postsecondary students to use single-sex facilities (like restrooms and locker rooms) according to their sex assigned at birth.
  
• Requires schools to make all multi-user facilities male-only or female-only,
  
• Require schools and public buildings to segregate facilities according to sex marked on birth certificates
  
• Denies transgender people in prisons access to medically necessary transition-related care
  
• Requires people to use restrooms in schools and other buildings on public property according to their sex assigned at birth
  
• Voids any vital record documents, like marriage licenses and birth certificates, if they have a gender marker that doesn’t match a person’s sex assigned at birth
  
• Requires students in public schools, including public colleges and universities, to use restrooms and locker rooms according to their sex assigned at birth.
  
• Requires sex-specific student facilities to be segregated according to anatomy at birth,
  
• Requires students to use single-sex facilities
  
• Excludes discrimination based on gender identity from sex discrimination protections under the Human Rights Act
  
• Requires students to use restrooms according to sex assigned at birth
  

The majority of these bills directly attack the absolute most vulnerable and the most likely to be severely harmed segment of the transgender demographic - students in school. The people at most risk and the ones needing the greatest protections are the very ones being targeted.

I find this abhorrent and disgusting and lacking one iota of human decency, compassion or justice.

a reply to: Freija

I completely, completely agree with you.

And I wish I could be someone who doesn't hide at the first sign of sustained conflict, because I know I'm privileged not to have to face what they do every day. I wish I could be a full time trans advocate, and advocate for those who desperately need one in any sense, honestly. Especially since my net contribution to our society in general versus what I consume is probably negative ultimately.

Unfortunately, I'm just not that person. The reality, the truth is, I'm a coward and weak, have a lot of mental problems, and those two truths are the ultimate limiting factors on my ability to contribute meaningfully as a human being online and off.

But I care, and I try, for what it's worth. And I know my problems aren't the issue here.

Peace.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: network dude

I do realize that HB2 made it so any laws dealing with discrimination need to be done at the state level. So you don't have a mish mash of laws in different parts of the state.

This isn't a very solid argument at all.

So you believe that laws should be uniform throughout the state then? Is it all laws or just laws relating to discrimination? If uniformity is the goal, why stop at the state level?

Because that is how our government system is supposed to work. 9th and 10th Amendments. Federalism. State Laboratories. The NC law stops at the NC border and doesn't affect the other 49 states and US territories.

Now we sit back and watch. If it works, great! Other states can copy it. If it doesn't work... the damage is localized and easier to fix.

originally posted by: AceWombat04

But I care, and I try, for what it's worth. And I know my problems aren't the issue here.

Peace.

Ahhhhh, just know you aren't really alone.

My contribution is support on line and raising open minded children and grandchildren.

Not passing on the ignorance of past generations.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: network dude

I do realize that HB2 made it so any laws dealing with discrimination need to be done at the state level. So you don't have a mish mash of laws in different parts of the state.

This isn't a very solid argument at all.

So you believe that laws should be uniform throughout the state then? Is it all laws or just laws relating to discrimination? If uniformity is the goal, why stop at the state level?

Because that is how our government system is supposed to work. 9th and 10th Amendments. Federalism. State Laboratories. The NC law stops at the NC border and doesn't affect the other 49 states and US territories.

Now we sit back and watch. If it works, great! Other states can copy it. If it doesn't work... the damage is localized and easier to fix.

But, this was the state Governor pulling a sneaky fast track maneuver to stop and nullify individual cities/counties from making anti-discrimination laws that fit their demographic.

This didn't even have anything to do with Federal.

a reply to: AceWombat04

Hey friend! Don't sell yourself short. Every voice counts and yours has helped. Your reasoned and positive comments in this thread shows that you do care and it is appreciated. There are others here that do understand and those willing to listen and reevaluate their opinions on occasion and yet others that don't have a clue about trans and LGB issues but can spot discrimination, oppression and prejudice and speak out for that reason. I can understand not wanting to paint a target on your back or be recipient of some of the vitriol spewed here so don't for a minute think there's anything wrong with not standing on a soapbox.

originally posted by: Annee
My contribution is support on line and raising open minded children and grandchildren.

Not passing on the ignorance of past generations.

And Annee, you are my hero and I have the utmost respect for you and your open-minded opinions and your lack of hesitation to jump in and call things as you see them. You have been one of the biggest assets in the struggle to bring information and awareness about trans and LGB issues here and for that you have my gratitude.

I've got a few new links this afternoon I'd like to share:

Everything You Need To Know About The Wave Of 100+ Anti-LGBT Bills Pending In States

A new law in Mississippi lets any person or business deny services to same-sex couples because of religious objections. In North Carolina, the governor signed a law banning cities from passing LGBT anti-discrimination ordinances and barring transgender people from using bathrooms that match their gender identity. Tennessee also has a “bathroom bill,” plus a bill that lets mental health professionals refuse to treat LGBT patients.

There are more than 100 active bills like this right now, across 22 states. They fall into a handful of categories — some are bathroom bills, some let judges refuse to marry same-sex couples, some let businesses deny services to LGBT people — but they all have the same goal: legalizing discrimination against queer people.

While it might seem like this onslaught of legislation came out of nowhere, religious conservatives have been working toward this kind of full-blown assault for years. They’ve been test-driving various anti-LGBT bills at local levels, anticipating the Supreme Court’s Obergefell decision on marriage equality and preparing ways to weaken it.

“Specific laws like this that seek to target and marginalize one small segment of the population is nothing less than mean-spirited,” White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Tuesday. “President Obama has talked on a number of occasions about the important progress our country has made with regard to civil rights. This is a good illustration that the fight for civil rights is not over.”

LGBT Nondiscrimination and Anti-LGBT Bills Across the Country

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people in America face discrimination in their daily lives. Currently, 17 states plus DC ban discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity or expression in employment, housing, and public accommodations, and an additional five states provide incomplete statewide nondiscrimination protections. All people – including those who are gay or transgender – should be treated fairly and equally by the laws of their state, and should have the opportunity to earn a living, access housing, and participate fully in society.

And Teikiatsu, these are for you. Heck with the state level, some are thinking big picture and they have my support.

a reply to: Freija

My youngest daughter was once dating a Jewish boy. He was all worried I wouldn't accept him.

My daughter laughed and said: "If I showed up at the door with a 300 lb Samoan Lesbian with flaming purple hair" - - my mom would say: "Are you happy?"

Warmed my heart.

Being a private, introvert anyway, if I was a he-she or a she-man or just the man I am I would go in the privvy and use a damn stall, close the door! What is the deal? If you have breasts and a peen MUST you go in the men's room and use a urinal? If i were in that sitch, I would be waiting to get kicked TFO!

a reply to: network dude



So conservatives claim to believe in local governance..And in the name of conservatism, pass a bill forbidding any city, town or municipality in NC from passing any ordinance forbidding discrimination against LGBT people?


The bill over-rides all local laws and ordinances passed by cities and towns...to ensure that people can freely discriminate against homosexuals...

What Does It Do?

House Bill 2 declares that state law overrides all local ordinances concerning wages, employment and public accommodations.

Thus, the law now bars local municipalities from creating their own rules prohibiting discrimination in public places based on sexual orientation and gender identity

abcnews.go.com...


The hypocrisy of the ignorant new-conservatives...Both a disgrace to their party and the country.

a reply to: network dude

In response, because I can, I am barely able to muster the energy to type this...FIND A DAMN STALL AND CLOSE THE DOOR! Who gives a @#$%^& if you got an inny or a hang down. Comport yourself like a civilized individual!! If I was a glamazon, I wouldn't celebrate it in the GD bathroom! Apparently I suffer from White Privilege.

a reply to: Freija

The Cup is full... The LGBT needs to be destroyed... Just like "BLM" and Neo Feminism.

I'm sick of these groups destroying society and mentally molesting our children. LGBT is to human rights what the ISIS is to a thin neck.

Let Humanity respect each other no matter what race or sexuality we are... But let us stop these perverted organisation and cognitive dissonance.

a reply to: Hex1an

Hmmm? Maybe we should start this genocide with all those heterosexual parents that keep having all these perverted trans and gay kids? I mean damn, who is to blame here? While we're at it let's just do away with all those whiny black people people and uppity women too.

Maybe have tea and a Snickers or something? How about a cookie?

a reply to: Freija

Those "cookies" look wonderful... I love chocolate chip cookies
It proves that advertising works, I've been to the supermarket and now I'm eating them with a cup of Tea

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: network dude



So conservatives claim to believe in local governance..And in the name of conservatism, pass a bill forbidding any city, town or municipality in NC from passing any ordinance forbidding discrimination against LGBT people?


The bill over-rides all local laws and ordinances passed by cities and towns...to ensure that people can freely discriminate against homosexuals...

What Does It Do?

House Bill 2 declares that state law overrides all local ordinances concerning wages, employment and public accommodations.

Thus, the law now bars local municipalities from creating their own rules prohibiting discrimination in public places based on sexual orientation and gender identity

abcnews.go.com...


The hypocrisy of the ignorant new-conservatives...Both a disgrace to their party and the country.

does that mean you you now have to go out of your way to be mean to LGBT people, or are you just forced to use State legislature to try to enact new laws? The ignorance of the knee jerk crowd is frightening.

a reply to: Freija

your picture about going to the federal level makes me smile. Everyone is super pissed (pun intended), that HB2 took the ability to make these laws at municipality level, and now makes it have to happen at state level. That's bad. But moving it all the way to the Federal level is sooper cool.

Do you not see just a bit of irony there?

originally posted by: JarSquid72
a reply to: network dude

In response, because I can, I am barely able to muster the energy to type this...FIND A DAMN STALL AND CLOSE THE DOOR! Who gives a @#$%^& if you got an inny or a hang down. Comport yourself like a civilized individual!! If I was a glamazon, I wouldn't celebrate it in the GD bathroom! Apparently I suffer from White Privilege.

People have been doing exactly that, why do you seem to think otherwise?
This law was wholly unnecessary, the reason it was created was not because people were demanding special treatment, it wasn't because people who look like men or look like women were going into the wrong place, it was created because the fanatical Christian Republicans are desperate to use their imagined authority to inflict abuses onto others in response to same-sex marriage.

If this were really about bathrooms, the law would have been about bathrooms and been half the length it is. This was NOT about the myth of sexual assaults in bathrooms, this was about a bunch of Conservative Christian fanatics on a power trip, desperate to grab some more control in the face of increasing loss of their power and influence.

They do not give a damn about "sexual assaults" (which HAVE NOT BEEN HAPPENING) in women's facilities, the only thing they care about is using their position in power to inflict their draconian attitudes onto society.

My mother recently told me that her and pops are thinking about moving to NC and retiring there. This made me very sad and I told her that I'm not sure if I could bring myself to visit them in that state. I also let her know that I understand they have their reason's and that I respect them but I do not think I can bring myself to step foot in a place where the hatred for me is so thick that laws were made to "put me in my place". I refuse to spend any of my rainbow colored dollars in a state that would treat me like that. I'm quite pleasantly surprised that the economic actions and voices of so many business's and entertainers alike have been supportive of the LBGT community.

I see that there are many here who still clutch firmly to their dusty old bibles while finger waving but on the other side of the coin there are many here who are filled with love and compassion for all. I'd also like to say that even the most nasty of hater's here are better than some of the comments I have seen in news article comment sections.

One gentleman that I came across (and I use the term loosely) proclaimed that "These tranny freaks need to realize there are consequences to actions and if one of them perverts walks in the bathroom behind my wife or daughter then there won't be much left for the police to carry away" I'm like WOW just WOW!! This guy just thinks he can go around assaulting people because he is suspicious of what is in their pants. I then pointed out that indeed there are consequences to actions and his proclaimed reaction would see him end up with assault charges, jail time and likely a lawsuit ultimately resulting in the consequence of him failing his family after losing his job while sitting in jail awaiting the civil case. At least the nasty's here stop short at threatening violence.

Fortunately though time is on our side and the dinosaurs are slowly going extinct, it is only a matter of time before the federal government steps in and does what is right. Enjoy your ability to discriminate and openly hate while it last's NC eventually big brother will come along and put you in your place so enjoy your bigotry while you still can.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

This law was wholly unnecessary, the reason it was created was not because people were demanding special treatment, it wasn't because people who look like men or look like women were going into the wrong place, it was created because the fanatical Christian Republicans are desperate to use their imagined authority to inflict abuses onto others in response to same-sex marriage.

Which law? The original one Charlotte made that prompted HB2? Because HB2 did not, nor would it have been necessary if the Charlotte law didn't exist first. Remember, for eons before this, everyone somehow survived.

a reply to: network dude

So lets make it a real scenario. When Someone that lives in their business im assuming you dont mean literally, as in apartment upstairs of a of dry cleaners. If someone has an ultra small business they either have no public restroom due to not meeting code or personal reasons. Now the other small businesses i have ever visited have two single occupancy bathroom or one unisex bathrooms. The cost incolved with that is basically a sign change. So roughly a $40 purchase depending on if you buy one or make it out paper. The fact you think an entire building has to be remodeled to accommodate is a little ridiculous in my opinion. The businesses that would suffer the most cost would be your large retailers that would have to actually remodel. Reality does have way of getting in the way doesnt it?

I also want to know who has never used a opposite sex bathroom at a gas station when you really had to go. Im for more unisex single occupancy bathrooms for sanitation and privacy.

originally posted by: TexasSeabee
I also want to know who has never used a opposite sex bathroom at a gas station when you really had to go. Im for more unisex single occupancy bathrooms for sanitation and privacy.

I'm still trying to work out why so many millions of Americans are so obsessed with genitals and what people do with theirs.
Here in the UK, at least in the places I visit and the events I go to, this is not a problem, not an issue at all.

It's not uncommon here, for example, for women to use the men's in a pub or club when something happens to their facilities or the line is just ridiculous.

In London most of the old theatres have small toilets unable to cope with the audience and women just go into whichever is available.

In a pub I go to, just a few weeks ago, the men's room flooded and everyone just use the ladies rest room.

At festivals I go to there are urinals out in the open, there are trailers with urinals along the wall and cubicles that both sexes use when needed.

It's bizarre that so many Americans are so obsessed with this, so desperately paranoid about what they imagine the bathroom is used for when they're not looking. As I said before, the paranoia of these people says more about their attitudes to these places and what they imagine people do than it does about anyone else.

No one is going into these places to sexually perv on other people (at least no more so than was happening already, and is illegal already, and is already punishable through existing laws), it's all in the heads of the paranoid "Christian" Republican crazies who all seem to be obsessed with genitals and what other people might or might not do with them.

The only freaks and weirdos in all of this are the men passing laws imagining all kinds of things happen - things they are manufacturing in their own disturbed and sexually malformed minds.