Half of UK Muslims want homosexuality banned

Late to the party , but how the hell do you BAN homosexuality . Does banning it make everyone straight .

a reply to: Kandinsky


Well Kandinsky maybe if you had experience of the muslim attitude in the UK in certain areas you may understand.

A female member of my family has been subjected to insults from a group of muslims on her way to work on a regular basis but they made an error at one day and were taught a lesson.

As for the sharia law comment if they want to live under that the simple answer is f"$% off and live in a middle eastern country that has it.

If people want to live in the UK they have to accept HOW we live if they are not happy to do that they should just stay were they are, then begs the question why do they want to live here in the first place

I have muslim neighbours a GREAT family who get on with their life's and have got on well with all the other neighbours as well they accept we are different when it comes to beliefs and attitudes and we respect each other the way it should be.

Whilst I love a good story, especially one I have heard all over the internet, I'd like to point out where this thread is posted.

Dissecting Disinformation.

I think this thread is quite quickly proving to me how susceptible people are to disinformation. The reality is it doesn't matter if Muslims are homophobic, since when was it okay to try and gather info on any group for the purpose to cause a negative response?

Most people would agree that stereotyping a group of people is wrong, yet most seem oblivious that using a poll like this, then splashing it over the news is so the gullible do exactly that. They are doing it with the Brexit too, this country is quite strongly anti EU, yet opinion polls suggest its quite tight.......... What polls exactly? I haven't been polled, no one I know has either. This is all BS designed to manipulate us into doing what they want. Same with the OP.

Muslims have been in this country for a long time, long before the war on terror started. I'm sure that even then, some Muslims were bad and did bad things, but it wasn't reported like it is now, there wasn't a political agenda to push that needed them to be painted in a bad light.

UK Truth and Freeborn, you both claim to have statistical knowledge on a professional level. Explain how surveying 1000 people about massively complex issues and offering only two choice answers gives us accurate data in a group of over 2 million people. This to me seems odd. There would be people within this sample group that have no opinion on it, why are they not represented? How can we interpret this data? I have looked through this data too and believe it to be poorly designed. The questions are mainly irrelevant and loaded IMO with such questions as; Treatment by Police. Either treated better than other religions or worse??????? Am I alone in thinking that subjective opinions about how other religions are treated against your own by the police is beyond being classified as data for a poll?

I am openly Bisexual and have seen the pictures of ISIS throwing men accused of being homosexual off buildings, did effect me, you bet. I felt sick and felt that people needed to be dealt with, but why this and not some other homophobic killing which happens around the world every day? Because the media plastered it everywhere, that is why, I read the article, I saw the pictures and I identified with the man being thrown off the building. My opinion was manipulated. I felt after viewing this that ISIS needed to be dealt with, funny that because that is what they want, a reason to go in, but they need public opinion to be on their side....... Well its one way to get the LGBT vote on your side I suppose.

People today seem more concerned with seeing what they want to see rather than what is true. Even here, it would seem. I follow the news closely, but I understand that it is best left alone when your opinions become influenced by it. How many times has a newspaper had to apologise because it printed something untrue? People allow these sources to sway how they feel about subjects and the subjects presented are distorted to fulfil a political agenda...... Enjoy your right to your own opinion, you know the one that was given to you by your masters.

originally posted by: auraofblack

UK Truth and Freeborn, you both claim to have statistical knowledge on a professional level. Explain how surveying 1000 people about massively complex issues and offering only two choice answers gives us accurate data in a group of over 2 million people. This to me seems odd. There would be people within this sample group that have no opinion on it, why are they not represented? How can we interpret this data? I have looked through this data too and believe it to be poorly designed. The questions are mainly irrelevant and loaded IMO with such questions as; Treatment by Police. Either treated better than other religions or worse??????? Am I alone in thinking that subjective opinions about how other religions are treated against your own by the police is beyond being classified as data for a poll?

I have already explained that the sample size is fine but there are other factors that could skew the data.
Your refusal to accept the sample size as being sufficient is down to your lack of knowledge and I don't think a stats tutorial on this thread is an effective use of time.
As I have said many times, there ARE other factors that could make the data suspect - two spring to mind from looking through the detail.

Firstly, there is no information as to where the face to face interviews took place - i.e whether they were isolated to one region/place or more randomly spread. The fact it was face to face might suggest that the sample was actually more concentrated in location (given the logistical problems of mobilizing a research team over many locations in a fairly short space of time)

Secondly, the control group in this research was done via telephone - not face to face (so different methods of data collection for sample vs control).

Your original post, however, was all about Sky trying to mislead because the sample was too small. This was incorrect.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: Kandinsky


Well Kandinsky maybe if you had experience of the muslim attitude in the UK in certain areas you may understand.

A female member of my family has been subjected to insults from a group of muslims on her way to work on a regular basis but they made an error at one day and were taught a lesson.

As for the sharia law comment if they want to live under that the simple answer is f"$% off and live in a middle eastern country that has it.

If people want to live in the UK they have to accept HOW we live if they are not happy to do that they should just stay were they are, then begs the question why do they want to live here in the first place

I have muslim neighbours a GREAT family who get on with their life's and have got on well with all the other neighbours as well they accept we are different when it comes to beliefs and attitudes and we respect each other the way it should be.

Sorry mate, i have to ask, and please bear in mind that i respect you and your posts a lot...but where do you live in the UK?

I live in North London where there are a LOT of muslims (every check out girl in sainsburies and Morrisons is muslim) and no one gives each other any grief here. Im not suggesting for a second you are lying, but merely that your experience is an unfortunate and rare one.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

No problem 3d I am in Scotland have a look for the Kriss Donald murder case for one example.

a reply to: UKTruth

This will read like I'm being pedantic, you haven't proved anything. You have said its fine and offered no explanation that I can see. Please explain in layman's terms how a sample group of 1000 people can fairly represent a group of people measuring 2 million on a far from simple subject with multiple choice questions that give you two choices..... I have looked through the posts, I can't see it.

I'm not trying to take the piss either, I am fascinated in all aspects of anything pertaining to knowledge I don't possess, especially with subjects like statistics..... Don't you know? Some people form their opinions on these things, the least we can do is enlighten them how their opinions are formed for them.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: 3danimator2014

No problem 3d I am in Scotland have a look for the Kriss Donald murder case for one example.

But my point is that that is a one off. I mean, a girl got attacked by a man with a samurai sword in North London few years ago..he was eastern european i think. My wife and i were involved in helping her and getting him thrown behind bars, but i never blamed all eastern europeans. Some arabs are undeniably sh*s...i know, im lebanese (christian/atheist) but i grew up in Saudi...but i dont understand vilifying them all for te actions of a few. Im not islam apologist either, i hate islam more than i hate all the other religions.

a reply to: 3danimator2014


You have picked me up wrong I get on well with my muslim neighbours & work colleagues I go to lunch with a couple of them. Look at the Glasgow shopkeeper murder the other week a muslim killed by another muslim because he wished his christian customers a happy Easter that's how warped many are. The female member of my family repeatedly verbally abused on her way to work over a period of 18+ months. I have heard of areas of one major city that if a white person walks through with a carrier bag of alcohol they are threatened because the local muslims say they control the area.

That's only a few of many examples I know.

a reply to: auraofblack

Google is your friend

Statistics Sample Size

a reply to: wmd_2008

By the way. I was replying while cooking dinner for the missus...let me look into the car you pointed me to properly later. Cheers mate

originally posted by: auraofblack
a reply to: UKTruth

This will read like I'm being pedantic, you haven't proved anything. You have said its fine and offered no explanation that I can see. Please explain in layman's terms how a sample group of 1000 people can fairly represent a group of people measuring 2 million on a far from simple subject with multiple choice questions that give you two choices..... I have looked through the posts, I can't see it.

I'm not trying to take the piss either, I am fascinated in all aspects of anything pertaining to knowledge I don't possess, especially with subjects like statistics..... Don't you know? Some people form their opinions on these things, the least we can do is enlighten them how their opinions are formed for them.

Come on, I have even linked a statistical calculator for you.
Start there and do your homework.

originally posted by: muse7
Something that Muslims and Christian Conservatives can both agree on.

Difference being, you let the Muslims take over and the Liberals are doing just that, you will see much more than just opposition to the lifestyle. With conservatives, you have progress in the face of enormous pressure. Muslims will just round up the homosexuals and behead them all. They wont bend to political pressure, they will just extinguish it.

Liberal LGBT snowflakes will rue the day they decided to leave the Muslims out of their fight for equal rights..

I'm surprised they stated it's 50%. A survey was conducted asking Australian Muslims whether they agree with Gay Marriage the results stated that 83% were against it

Muslims taxie late night drivers who pick up at
Gay clubs let you pay with a blow job some times.
no! not me! people I know.
I have know about this for a Long time.
and most of them are married.

a reply to: UKTruth

Again how does a statistical calculator explain my question which you keep on ignoring? You saying it's fine isn't an explanation, neither is a link to statistical calculator an explanation.

A group sample of 1000 can not fairly represent the views of 2 million people on complex viewpoints with questions laid in a simple 2 choice answer system.

Tell me why that goes against science? You both claim statistical knowledge on a professional level but fail to back it up with anything of substance.... I have asked this question a few times and you answer with Bs. Throughout this thread you have both dangled your knowledge about and shot people's opinions down based on your superior knowledge, I have asked you to answer a question which I think is very fair and your answer is I'm not trying hard enough?

Come on guys, you were professionals, explain it, instead of not and telling me and blaming me for not knowing? I followed the link to the statistical calculator, I couldn't answer the question.

a reply to: wmd_2008

Yes it is. I read the info on that page and the calculator said that to have a confidence interval of 1 I'd need over 9000+ people to get a 95 percent accurate reading. Statistics are used and manipulated all the time yet people think these are safe things to be basing your viewpoints on?

It also says somewhere in that page that it is open to incorrect readings if the group isn't fairly represented, for instance werethey asking these questions to people who worked nights instead of days? There is no mention on the linked pdf that states any of the info that is needed to authenticate it as accurate.

Long and short of it all. It doesn't matter what a Muslims opinion on homosexuality is compared to a White Englisman, the law states they are to be afforded the same rights and privileges as everyone else. This survey was done for one reason only and that is to divide and give the stupid their opinion. Polls are used all the time within media to actually lead public opinion, not represent it.

If they worked so well, why is it not used to vote political parties in? As has been stated, 1000 can fairly and accurately be used to represent 2 million, wouldn't this save money and simplify the process? Of course no one would accept that but when it comes to your opinion which dictates your choices its a system that is accurate and not in the least bit cynical in nature ? See what you want to see.

Frankly, I highly doubt the credibility of this "story" largely due to cultural bias.

Homosexuality is defined differently in most Muslim cultures, and homosexuality (as we define it in the west) is actually very common in such places.

How do I put this... in most Muslim cultures the "pitcher" isn't considered to be a homosexual (only the "catcher" is considered to be homosexual); where in western cultures, if you're a guy who's turned on by the notion of having relations with another man, then you're bi/homo-sexual.

I highly doubt Sky News (or whoever administered the poll) took into account the difference in meaning (of the term "homosexual") when conducting their research.

originally posted by: buddha
Muslims taxie late night drivers who pick up at
Gay clubs let you pay with a blow job some times.
no! not me! people I know.
I have know about this for a Long time.
and most of them are married.

Bollocks, half this thread is filled with personal experiences.. Its ok, no one will judge you....

A Muslim getting a blowjob from a gay man as a payment for a taxi ride really doesn't say anything about The Muslim cultures viewpoint in general, its even more complicated if you factor in that it is over 2 million separate people who are all individuals.

originally posted by: auraofblack
a reply to: UKTruth

Again how does a statistical calculator explain my question which you keep on ignoring? You saying it's fine isn't an explanation, neither is a link to statistical calculator an explanation.

A group sample of 1000 can not fairly represent the views of 2 million people on complex viewpoints with questions laid in a simple 2 choice answer system.

Tell me why that goes against science? You both claim statistical knowledge on a professional level but fail to back it up with anything of substance.... I have asked this question a few times and you answer with Bs. Throughout this thread you have both dangled your knowledge about and shot people's opinions down based on your superior knowledge, I have asked you to answer a question which I think is very fair and your answer is I'm not trying hard enough?

Come on guys, you were professionals, explain it, instead of not and telling me and blaming me for not knowing? I followed the link to the statistical calculator, I couldn't answer the question.

So let me understand you correctly.
You want a course on maths and stats on this thread so you understand, right? And until YOU understand we have to suspend maths and stats as tools to understand survey results?
Your current level of understanding appears to be below that of my 12 year old niece - so we would have to start at the beginning.
PM me and I will give you my rate for teaching you - it will take some time.