Half of UK Muslims want homosexuality banned

To be fair to Islam in this case,

I'll bet if the same survey was run in say the bible belt of the USA the result would be the same or higher.

All three Abrahamic religions view homosexuality negatively and teach that it is wrong etc etc.

The important take out from this is that no religion has a place in the everyday politics of the people. Gay people exist and outlawing us is not going to make us go away.

Just ask India.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth

I think the only way to be 95% sure of getting an accurate read on something, is to ask everyone who has an opinion relevant to the position being examined. You could survey one thousand people from one region in the country, and get a totally different response than you would get in the rest of the nation, about almost any one thing that a person can have an opinion on. Weather, sports, political matters of all kinds, religion, finance....

Sample size is less important than how well spread out your sample is. If they only polled in Bradford, for example. that would mean the sample was about as indicative of a majority opinion as polling that one guy in the pub on match day who hates football, preferring cricket to the exclusion of all other ball sports ever invented. I know that, because I am that one guy, but my opinion means sweet diddly, because millions of people really love football.

This is exactly right - sampling method and stratification equal to the population is required to get an accurate read.

I fail to see why anyone would be surprised by this.

I think uktruth has more than adequately explained the accuracy of this survey.

But why the shock?

I suspect if a like for like survey was carried out amongst Orthodox Jews very similar results would occur.

Its not pursuing an anti-Muslim agenda, just stating what most Muslims would freely and openly admit.

Personally, I'm surprised its so low.
The vast majority of Muslims who've I've spoke to about this are passionately anti-gay.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth

I think the only way to be 95% sure of getting an accurate read on something, is to ask everyone who has an opinion relevant to the position being examined. You could survey one thousand people from one region in the country, and get a totally different response than you would get in the rest of the nation, about almost any one thing that a person can have an opinion on. Weather, sports, political matters of all kinds, religion, finance....

Sample size is less important than how well spread out your sample is. If they only polled in Bradford, for example. that would mean the sample was about as indicative of a majority opinion as polling that one guy in the pub on match day who hates football, preferring cricket to the exclusion of all other ball sports ever invented. I know that, because I am that one guy, but my opinion means sweet diddly, because millions of people really love football.

Another important factor is weather or not the person interviewed is comfortable answering the question honestly.

So if a 20 year old Muslim is asked his opinion on homosexuality outside a mosque with his parents and grandparents in earshot he is more likely to give a safe answer through fear.

Yes. Whilst I think we can use statistical evidence in a lot of things to further the human race, it isn't infallible, there are limitations to what we can try to survey.

Traders use indicators on charts of what HAS happened to open positions on the markets, sometimes the charts and indicators go against you. These charts are compiled of market data on that particular item and it is interpreted under different time frames to give the trader the info needed to be on the right side of the trade. A human being is not market data.

Our opinions change in my experience, fluidly depending on the situation presented to us. Peer pressure, general mood, past experiences all exert influence upon our opinions, but the environmental aspect plays a massive part too. Most people seem to drift through life in a state of hypnosis never really ever analysing the roots of their opinions and I find that scary when you realise how many are like this. Unfortunately, this line of thinking tends to lead people into a sense of despair and hopelessness, something most will try to avoid, so it leads me to ask the question... Can we really ever trust anyone's opinion?

a reply to: Freeborn

I'm curious as to what you base that on, the part about most Muslims... A few questions if I may?

1. How many Muslims do you know?
2. How many Muslims have you asked this question?
3. Where and under what circumstances did you ask this question? ( i.e was it outside a mosque, in a local shop, in the presence of family/peers/etc)

If this had been asked a decade or two ago, the results would be much higher I bet...

So we could look at it as we're half way towards full tolerance...
Ask again in another 10 years.



Btw, did they answer as Muslims or as Humans...
Because you'd probably get a 50:50 split in most demographics outside of LGBT.


Ask this in Orthodox Russia, results would be much higher.


I don't see anything wrong with this to be honest.
It's a shame, and we still have work to do, but little by little Islam is becoming more tolerant of outsiders...
Probably due to interaction, where none would take place in the likes of Africa of the Middle East.



As a side note, homosexuality doesn't appear in the Quran.
Sodomy does.

& it's not really punishable, just labelled a transgression, whether Straight or Gay.



Hadith, ehhh, that's another work we have to fight towards eradicating.


Salam.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: LostThePlot
Funny that, because I want all Muslims banned.

Banned from what? Britian, football matches, entry to the Tate museum? participating in surveys???

Earth.

originally posted by: muse7
Something that Muslims and Christian Conservatives can both agree on.

Exactly... was going to say I'd imagine Conservatives, Republicans, Christians etc etc would feel the same and the percentages would be similar.

a reply to: auraofblack

I'm curious as to what you base that on, the part about most Muslims... A few questions if I may?

1. How many Muslims do you know?
2. How many Muslims have you asked this question?
3. Where and under what circumstances did you ask this question? ( i.e was it outside a mosque, in a local shop, in the presence of family/peers/etc)

I know a fair few Muslims from around the country.

I know a few through certain business interests and some casual acquaintances / shop owners / neighbours etc.

Different sort of circumstances; some in shops I've frequented over a number of years and have developed a sort of friendly relationship with the owners / workers.
Some in other working environments.

Some of those I've asked are reasonably good friends who I sometimes socialise with.

I guess most of those would simply describe themselves as 'ordinary Muslims' and aren't particularly devout.
A handful are probably best described as Muslim only in name.
As far as I'm aware none of them are what may be described as hard line or extremist Muslims.

A bit hard to give an exact number, I'd guess, and I freely admit its only a guess, I've asked around 20 or 30 Muslims this question myself.
Not a great deal - but as I said in my previous post its my personal experience, nothing more, nothing less.
Take from that what you will.
It matters nothing to me if you think that's a fair representation or not, its still just my personal experience.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: auraofblack
a reply to: crazyewok

Thats the point, do they think that way? 500 apparently say this, is 500 a fair number to scale up and aim at all Muslims?

Not where I come from.

Yes it is plenty to determine that around half of all Muslims want homosexuality banned, regardless of where you come from.

Its telling you what you want to believe, so you believe and defend it. Simple.

so does 45 % of americans..... those would be the christians and muslims agreeing on something

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: auraofblack

I'm curious as to what you base that on, the part about most Muslims... A few questions if I may?

1. How many Muslims do you know?
2. How many Muslims have you asked this question?
3. Where and under what circumstances did you ask this question? ( i.e was it outside a mosque, in a local shop, in the presence of family/peers/etc)

I know a fair few Muslims from around the country.

I know a few through certain business interests and some casual acquaintances / shop owners / neighbours etc.

Different sort of circumstances; some in shops I've frequented over a number of years and have developed a sort of friendly relationship with the owners / workers.
Some in other working environments.

Some of those I've asked are reasonably good friends who I sometimes socialise with.

I guess most of those would simply describe themselves as 'ordinary Muslims' and aren't particularly devout.
A handful are probably best described as Muslim only in name.
As far as I'm aware none of them are what may be described as hard line or extremist Muslims.

A bit hard to give an exact number, I'd guess, and I freely admit its only a guess, I've asked around 20 or 30 Muslims this question myself.
Not a great deal - but as I said in my previous post its my personal experience, nothing more, nothing less.
Take from that what you will.
It matters nothing to me if you think that's a fair representation or not, its still just my personal experience.

OK, fair enough, are you white? Are you English? I only ask because, I live in the UK myself, I actually live not far from the infamous Bury Park. Surely you could see how you, a white English person asking that question, its loaded with all sorts cultural insinuations with its a minefield. The question not really asked but insinuated with these questions is quite strongly themed towards the "Are you fitting in enough?"

In a work place we are different, we present many different faces of who we are as the situation dictates. People say things to fit in, fitting in is certainly a theme I think given our current climate, Muslims identify with all over our country.

a reply to: auraofblack

Hello! Atheist here!

Homosexuality ceases pro-creation. If you support homosexuality, you support the death of human civilization!

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a reply to: mekhanics

Working along that premise, there is a far greater abundance of dangers regarding humanity ceasing to procreate than homosexuality. Couple that spring to mind are genetically modified crops and obese people.

Gay people are not a danger to the Human race any more than stupid people im afraid.

a reply to: auraofblack

Half of non muslims want it banned what's thier point really??

a reply to: dragonridr

The point is most lightly to tag Muslims as homophobic gay haters in an attempt to cast there religion in a poor light.

As i have said previously the minority of Muslim people that do have a problem regarding the right to free sexual expression in the United Kingdom are perfectly at liberty to leave and go live in backwards thinking Sharia law following nations that still operate such arcane laws.

Not a problem.

I love watching when political correctness gives one a rock and hard place.

It's islomaphibic to call a Muslim homophobic.

So what do you do, what do you do? You cannot shot the hostage(guns are evil), so you ignore the whole issue

originally posted by: thinline
I love watching when political correctness gives one a rock and hard place.

It's islomaphibic to call a Muslim homophobic.

So what do you do, what do you do? You cannot shot the hostage(guns are evil), so you ignore the whole issue

Best post in the thread, this.

The Muslims hate the gays, the leftist support the Muslims to appear politically correct while wringing hands over also not appearing homophobic, and so on and so forth...epic case of leftist eating each other.

Here's a thought: maybe all these 'phobias' are just progandized media creations to begin with. Buzzwords to evoke reaction, feelings of self doubt or even clueless guilt over holding certain mindsets or worldviews.