America is done, illegals will soon be able to vote

As far as property tax, the government sends a statement. All their care about is payment, from anyone, to cover the tax.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: roadgravel

They have to pay taxes on the property regardless of if they're foreign or not.

True, but all that is required is someone to pay for the land parcel tax. They don't care who pays.

The day that illegal immigrants are allowed to vote in this country is the day that I will take up arms and defend her until my dying breath.

a reply to: onequestion

Honestly, I've never had to produce a birth certificate to open a bank account. I just present a drivers license.

There's ways to get birth certificates...........the cost is anywhere from $500.00 to $1,000.00. I can't tell you "how"; I'd be breaking the law. The SS card costs about the same. I'm talking property taxes..........that comes with filing the deed papers.

ETA......I'm not offering to sell those documents. I don't have access to such things. I just know its easy to get the documents.

a reply to: roadgravel

Read the link I posted above. If they rent it out they can either have 30% held for tax purposes, or get a tax id as if they were doing business in the US.

a reply to: roadgravel

I'm talking about on the rent they're paid if they rent it out.

As a result of their ownership of U.S. real estate, foreign individuals may receive rental or similar payments over the course of each taxable year. If a foreign individual is not engaged in a U.S. trade or business, and does not otherwise file U.S. tax returns, he or she will likely pay taxes (through withholding, at 30% rates) on the gross income paid to such individual. Alternatively, a foreign individual could elect to file tax returns in the U.S., as though such individual were engaged in a U.S. trade or business, and pay taxes on the net income associated with the real estate (i.e. utilize applicable tax deductions) at the graduated tax rates applicable to U.S. persons.

www.rroyselaw.com...

a reply to: TonyS

18 U.S. Code § 1028 - Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information

link

Just wondering why everyone doesn't have to follow the same rules as me.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: roadgravel

I'm talking about on the rent they're paid if they rent it out.

OK. I am just talking about propery taxes. Income is a different story, as you are mentioning.

edit:

Sure, Federal income tax gets involved.

Well, I don't know about all that.

This decision gives more voting power to states with lax laws on illegal immigration. More total population would grant those states more delegates in elections. Whether illegals could vote or not, is irrelevant; the true problem is the fact that liberal states promoting open borders and sanctuary cities, could become the decider of future presidents and congress.

The OP is right in that we should be extremely wary of this decision. His explanations need some work..

As for counting illegals it has nothing to do with voting and everything to do with representation.

Under proportional representation systems, district magnitude is an important determinant of the makeup of the elected body. With a larger number of winners candidates are able to represent proportionately smaller minorities; a 10% minority in a given district may secure no seats in a 5-member election but would be guaranteed a seat in a 9-member one because they fulfill a Droop quota.

The geographic distribution of minorities also affects their representation - an unpopular nationwide minority can still secure a seat if they are concentrated in a particular district.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

They may be illegal but they still live in the district. And you can't go knock on the door where they're living and demand to see their papers to see if they're legal.

a reply to: GodEmperor

Your right my explanation does need work and thank you I know I'm right in just not articulating my position correctly.

Then again no one is fundamentally pointing out how my position is wrong and why they are just saying it's wrong without providing evidence to the contrary and patting themselves on the back.

a reply to: Zaphod58

what kind of influence do inmates have on their representatives?

If 90% of the people your representing are illegal immigrants will that effect your voting record?

a reply to: onequestion

Uh..........I think the rules apply to everyone equally.......they just can't be enforced equally. They can't be...the cops can't be everywhere all the time.

I've lead a pretty scrappy life...I was a bail bondsman among other things. I just know that those who want to break the law can and do so regularly. It may not be fair to those of us who are law abiding citizens, but....truth is a person can buy just about anything if they're willing and able to pay the price.

a reply to: TonyS

Totally agree. I've been incarcerated for a short period and was educated rather quickly on how easy it is to break the rules.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: snowspirit

How can you own property without a tax I'd and proper identification?

Have you ever bought property? I have, no one asked for my ID if I was paying cash. You only need those things for a loan to buy it.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

What about title transfer and paying property taxes?

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: reldra

Can you individually point out parts of the article that misread with quotes and my exact quote of how I misunderstood it?

The entire article. There is no reason to point out parts. You have misunderstood the entire thing. The entire idea and every sentence.

a reply to: onequestion

They still live there as I said.

The U.S. Constitution demands that political subdivisions have about equal populations, to maintain the "one person, one vote" standard. To achieve that, a census is conducted every 10 years. Then, soon after the national count has been completed, the redrawing of electoral lines begins.

The number of seats in the U.S. House of Representatives is set at 435, but the lines of the districts vary as the population of different areas swells and shrinks. So the first thing each census tells us is how many congressional districts every state will have for the following decade. At the height of its power, from 1945-1953, New York had 45 seats. Today it has 29, and it will lose two more in the 2012 election.

www.newsday.com...

That's how they affect things. The population of each district has to be similar. How are they supposed to find out if they're illegal? All that matters is they live there, which changes the district.

They may be illegal but they still live in the district. And you can't go knock on the door where they're living and demand to see their papers to see if they're legal.

That's the thing. The census doesn't ask about citizenship. Some law makers now want a break out. The constitution would need to be amended.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Right I get that but that doesn't change the fact that their presence alone has the ability to influence elections and laws.

What if 100 million Chinese people move into the country?

Big big issue at hand here.