Russian President Putin orders withdrawal of Russian forces from Syria

a reply to: 23432

Topic is Russian forces leaving Syria . It is not about Turks or what you or others think about Turks .

That's how it works when one is discussing RUssia...keep the discussion on about anything other than what your discussing.

Happened when Ukraine was the topic...and just moved it's way to Syria.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Did you realise that the list of human rights violations - reported by HRW - is actually larger than the Russian list when you consider those of the USA ?

Human Rights Watch - USA

Not bad from a Soros-sponsored organisation.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

The would be 'moderate-rebel' opposition sponsored by the US maybe ?

Sectarian genocide could be a "positive" for Israel & The West.

The fact that NATO is not restricting a member from taking actions that go against it's own charter is not surprising from an organisation that needs to justify its existence through war.

And in order to be sure, it's always worth fabricating a few pseudo-evidences ... that are dismissed by US scholars now :

Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence in the Damascus Nerve Agent Attack of August 21, 2013

The Syrian Improvised Chemical Munitions that Were Used in the August 21, Nerve Agent Attack in Damascus Have a Range of About 2 Kilometers

The UN Independent Assessment of the Range of the Chemical Munition Is in Exact Agreement with Our Findings

This Indicates That These Munitions Could Not Possibly Have Been Fired at East Ghouta from the “Heart”, or from the Eastern Edge, of the Syrian Government Controlled Area Shown in the Intelligence Map Published by the White House on August 30, 2013.

This mistaken Intelligence Could Have Led to an Unjustified US Military Action Based on False Intelligence.

A Proper Vetting of the Fact That the Munition Was of Such Short Range Would Have Led to a Completely Different Assessment of the Situation from the Gathered Data

Whatever the Reasons for the Egregious Errors in the Intelligence, the Source of These Errors Needs to Be Explained.

If the Source of These Errors Is Not Identified, the Procedures that Led to this Intelligence Failure Will Go Uncorrected, and the Chances of a Future Policy Disaster Will Grow With Certainty.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

NATO can't restrict what a NATO member does. Each member nation is responsible for their own affairs. The only time NATO is involved is when a country attacks a NATO member and that member invokes article V. Absent that it falls under the UN charter. NATO is a defensive alliance. If a NATO member decides to start a war the NATO charter would not apply and NATO members do not have to assist. That said if member nations do decide to help it would be an internal decision of the respective governments (again going back to the UN charter)..

Respectfully can you guys research NATO before making claims / comments. If you want to blame NATO thats your prerogative but at least take the time to know what you are talking about.

As for the dictator question Tsurfer answered it and I agree with what he posted.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Did you realise that the list of human rights violations - reported by HRW - is actually larger than the Russian list when you consider those of the USA ?

Human Rights Watch - USA

Not bad from a Soros-sponsored organisation.

After reading the HRW report on the US I can say the issues they are raising ignores domestic law and they dont understand the division of responsibility between the Federal and State governments. That is obvious given the incident in Ferguson and how they talk about it.

I'm sure Russia is the same way.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Did you realise that the list of human rights violations - reported by HRW - is actually larger than the Russian list when you consider those of the USA ?

Interestingly enough you just proved my point...thanks/

This thread has nothing to do with the US, so why do you feel the need to introduce them in this thread?

Not bad from a Soros-sponsored organisation.

And sponsored by many other than Soros.

How about others who donated money are they not just as important as Mr. Soros, or are you just going to comment about one man because you think he has some kind of power because of his donating money?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Cyprus is not part of NATO but is part of EU.
Turkey is part of NATO but is not part of EU.

What for alliances should prevail for the resolution of the Turkish/Cyprus dispute ?
The one of lead by the US or the one between the europeans ?

Why don't you try to research where the headquarters of NATO is located before making stupid claims ... it well be the same location as the EU headquarters.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke



Did you realise that the list of human rights violations - reported by HRW - is actually larger than the Russian list when you consider those of the USA ?


Interestingly enough you just proved my point...thanks/

This thread has nothing to do with the US, so why do you feel the need to introduce them in this thread?


Not bad from a Soros-sponsored organisation.


And sponsored by many other than Soros.

How about others who donated money are they not just as important as Mr. Soros, or are you just going to comment about one man because you think he has some kind of power because of his donating money?

So is your statement ... totally irrelevant with OP.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Sectarian genocide could be a "positive" for Israel & The West.

And yet that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand...again thanks for proving my point about deflecting from anything that discusses Russia in a bad way.

Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence in the Damascus Nerve Agent Attack of August 21, 2013

Possible doesn't equate to being true.

x The UN Independent Assessment of the Range of the Chemical Munition Is in Exact Agreement with Our Findings

And their findings are estimations, and theories...not fact.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

So is your statement ... totally irrelevant with OP.

And yet I never said it was relevant to the OP did I ?

I was commenting on your deflection posts so that you can somehow bring the US into a discussion that has nothing to do with them.

This isn't something new when it comes to discussions about Russia.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Sectarian genocide could be a "positive" for Israel & The West.

And yet that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand...again thanks for proving my point about deflecting from anything that discusses Russia in a bad way.

The genocide planned by the US was supposed (and did somehow) take place in Syria ... the country Russia left as stated in OP.
Try again.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Possible Implications of Faulty US Technical Intelligence in the Damascus Nerve Agent Attack of August 21, 2013

Possible doesn't equate to being true.

Can we expect a more elaborated statement from a clown in order to debunk a publication from the M.I.T. ?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
The UN Independent Assessment of the Range of the Chemical Munition Is in Exact Agreement with Our Findings

And their findings are estimations, and theories...not fact.

Can we expect a more elaborated statement from a clown in order to debunk a publication from the UN ?

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Again I was responding to your ignorance about NATO. Trying to move the goal post to try and save face wont work. The EU is NOT NATO.

Please educate yourself on NATO and stop lashing out at me to deflect.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I agree, the main difference being that unlike NATO, the EU doesn't need war to justify its own existence.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Cyprus is not part of NATO but is part of EU. Turkey is part of NATO but is not part of EU.

SO a few countries are EU and not NATO, and vice versa...what is your point?

Why don't you try to research where the headquarters of NATO is located before making stupid claims ... it well be the same location as the EU headquarters.

And you should do some research on to why Brussels was chosen...Here did that for you.

Brussels hosts the headquarters of the main EU institutions, and that has more to do with a lack of agreement than any political statement. When French Foreign Minister Robert Schuman made his declaration on 9 May 1950, he called for Europe to jointly control their coal and steel industries. Belgium, France, Germany, Luxemburg, Italy and the Netherlands agreed and signed the Treaty of Paris in 1951 that created the European Coal and Steel Community. A few years later, in March 1957, the Treaty of Rome created the European Economic Community and the European Community for Atomic Energy. It was time for the new institutions to start operating; however, no consensus could be reached about which country should host the offices.An emergency meeting in 1958 in Paris concluded that the institutions would be chaired in turn by the ministers of each of the six Member States. Based on alphabetical order, Belgium went first. It is due to the continuing inability of the Member States to decide which city should host the EU institutions that Belgium has become the permanent capital of the EU and EuropeActive publishes a Brussels Bulletin!

www.europeactive.eu...

SO as you can see the only reason it is in Brussels is because the member states couldn't agree where it should be...nothing more, but thanks for trying to find a connection somehow to NATO because they are both headquartered in Brussels.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Yet Russia has invaded more countries than NATO. Thats right, NATO is a defensive alliance.

Not all EU countries are NATO members and the EU is a political union where as NATO is a defensive military alliance. If you would research instead of trying to derail the thread we wouldn't need to spend time educating you.

Just because the USSR / Warsaw pact was a failure and NATO was and still is a success is no reason to be jealous. Putin wants something similar and will never achieve it.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Can we expect a more elaborated statement from a clown in order to debunk a publication from the UN ?

Can we expect something credible from a belgianjoke?

See how that works?

The genocide planned by the US was supposed (and did somehow) take place in Syria ... the country Russia left as stated in OP. Try again.

Just because someone creates a thread that in no way means that is the truth. I find it funny that your discussing genocide in Syria and somehow blaming the US for something that Assad has become very skilled at.

Can we expect a more elaborated statement from a clown in order to debunk a publication from the M.I.T. ?

SO now theories and estimates are what is considered the truth...try again as that doesn't prove anything.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke


Cyprus is not part of NATO but is part of EU. Turkey is part of NATO but is not part of EU.


SO a few countries are EU and not NATO, and vice versa...what is your point?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
What for alliances should prevail for the resolution of the Turkish/Cyprus dispute ?
The one of lead by the US or the one between the europeans ?

I want to want how far you want to back American interventionism in European affairs.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
SO as you can see the only reason it is in Brussels is because the member states couldn't agree where it should be...nothing more, but thanks for trying to find a connection somehow to NATO because they are both headquartered in Brussels.

I just found impressive that someone from the other side of the pond pretends to know better than I do what is going on in the capital city of my own country.

Even US newspapers dare to ask the question :

It’s Time to Kick Erdogan’s Turkey Out of NATO

Under Erdogan’s leadership, our NATO ally has arrested more journalists than China, jailed thousands of students for the crime of free speech, and replaced secular schools with Islamic-focused madrassas. He has publicly flaunted his support for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood while accusing long-time ally Israel of “crimes against humanity,” violated an arms ban to Gaza, bought an air defense system (and nearly missiles) from the Chinese in defiance of NATO, and denied America the use of its own air base to conduct strikes during the Iraqi War and later against Islamic terrorists in Syria. As Western allies fought to help repel Islamic State fighters in the town of Kobani in Western Syria two years ago, Turkish tanks sat quietly just across the border.

In fact, there is strong evidence (compiled by Columbia University) that Turkey has been “tacitly fueling the ISIS war machine.” There is evidence to show that Turkey, as Near East Outlook recently put it, allowed “jihadists from around the world to swarm into Syria by crossing through Turkey’s territory;” that Turkey, as journalist Ted Galen Carpenter writes, “has allowed ISIS to ship oil from northern Syria into Turkey for sale on the global market;” that Erdogan’s own son has collaborated with ISIS to sell that oil, which is “the lifeblood of the death-dealing Islamic State”; and that supply trucks have been allowed to pass freely across Turkey in route to ISIS fighters. There is also “evidence of more direct assistance,” as Forbes puts it, “providing equipment, passports, training, medical care, and perhaps more to Islamic radicals;” and that Erdogan’s government, according to a former U.S. Ambassador, worked directly with the al Qaeda affiliate in Syria, the al-Nusrah Front.

While Ankara pretends to take military action against ISIS, with its obsessive view of the Kurds, it has engaged in a relentless series of artillery strikes against the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) that are routing ISIS troops in northern Syria. The Kurds are the largest ethnic group on earth without a homeland - 25 million Sunni Muslims who live at the combined corners where Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Turkey meet. Turkey has waged a bloody, three-decade civil war against its 14 million Kurds - known as the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK - claiming more than 40,000 lives. The most recent peace process failed when Turkey again targeted the PKK, plunging the southeast of the country back into war while increasingly worrying Erdogan that Syrian and Turkish Kurds will join forces just across Turkey’s border.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Should NATO wish to prove is still worth something, it should consider North Korea.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

How about we discuss the topic instead of you derailing the thread by trying to drag Turkey in?

Or are you incapable of being critical of Russia / Putin?

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: Xcathdra

Should NATO wish to prove is still worth something, it should consider North Korea.

Again if you knew what you were talking about, and you dont, you would know the NATO charter restricts the alliance to Europe and North America.