Russian President Putin orders withdrawal of Russian forces from Syria

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Oh BTW, it is wrong ... it is because before EU existed, its embryo BENELUX, was already head quartered in Brussels.
Very egocentric view from Schuman to consider that he build EU from scratch ...

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Or are you incapable of being critical of Russia / Putin?

What do you want me to blame on the Russians after their intervention in Syria ?
The screwed the US intentions of destabilising Syria for Israeli interests and, avoided the US to deal with another Benghazi-like situation in Damascus.

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I want to want how far you want to back American interventionism in European affairs.

And exactly why does that matter as what I think has no bearing on the topic of this thread?

I just found impressive that someone from the other side of the pond pretends to know better than I do what is going on in the capital city of my own country.

And yet you act as though you know more about the US than an actual US citizen...but that doesn't stop you does it?

Then you should have actually known why Brussels is the headquarters of the EU, but you don't so what does that say about you knowing what's going on in your capital?

It’s Time to Kick Erdogan’s Turkey Out of NATO

And what does that have to do with Russia leaving Syria...that's right it doesn't, but I find it fun watching you derail a thread to bash NATO when they aren't even involved with what's going on in Syria.

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How about their constant lies of attacking ISIS, which they arent. How about withdrawing from Syria based on economic reasons and no military.

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I gave you more details about the origin of EU. Are they true or not ?

Take a tissue and call mods ...

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
I just found impressive that someone from the other side of the pond pretends to know better than I do what is going on in the capital city of my own country.

Equally impressive is your lack of knowledge about NATO and your failure to understand the difference between the EU and NATO. A mistake Putin is learning about the hard way.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

How about their constant lies of attacking ISIS, which they arent. How about withdrawing from Syria based on economic reasons and no military.

They have been there for 5 months. The US alliance has been there for almost 5 years, did you dare to ask WTF the US have been doing for so long in order to get so few results in comparison to what the Russians achieved ?

The Russians don't want to waste unnecessary money in military campaign that doesn't justify their full scale presence anymore, am I supposed to criticize them for that ?

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None of which has anything to do with Putin lies about attacking ISIS.

They pulled out because their economy is in shambles.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Equally impressive is your lack of knowledge about NATO and your failure to understand the difference between the EU and NATO. A mistake Putin is learning about the hard way.

I told you : I acknowledge there is major difference between the two, the EU is building peace, NATO is wagging war.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
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None of which has anything to do with Putin lies about attacking ISIS.

Then show us he lied.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Equally impressive is your lack of knowledge about NATO and your failure to understand the difference between the EU and NATO. A mistake Putin is learning about the hard way.

I told you : I acknowledge there is major difference between the two, the EU is building peace, NATO is wagging war.

and yet you still have no idea what you are talking about.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

originally posted by: Xcathdra
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None of which has anything to do with Putin lies about attacking ISIS.

Then show us he lied.

Just watch any video clips with Putin.. If his mouth is moving he is lying.

Putin has ethics that would raise eyebrows in the court of Caligula.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Just watch any video clips with Putin.. If his mouth is moving he is lying.

Let's have a closer look :

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Thank you for proving my point.

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Oh BTW, it is wrong ... it is because before EU existed, its embryo BENELUX, was already head quartered in Brussels.

You may want to try again as 3 of the countries involved in BENELUX agreed and formed the EEC which then turned into the EU after the Maastricht Treaty was signed in 1992.

And again the reason Brussels was chosen is because it was the country that was at the top of the alphabetic list of countries involved.

And just because the 3 countries involved in BENELUX were those who created the EU they are not the same...the only connection is the three countries involved in both.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
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Thank you for proving my point.

You didn't prove anything ... feel free to quote any extract you consider as erroneous or a lie.
And given that - by consider the swiftness of your reply - you don't even wish to watch the whole vid here is a text of a more recent statement :

Putin meeting with Russian Armed Forces service personnel

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Oh BTW, it is wrong ... it is because before EU existed, its embryo BENELUX, was already head quartered in Brussels.

You may want to try again as 3 of the countries involved in BENELUX agreed and formed the EEC which then turned into the EU after the Maastricht Treaty was signed in 1992.

And again the reason Brussels was chosen is because it was the country that was at the top of the alphabetic list of countries involved.

And just because the 3 countries involved in BENELUX were those who created the EU they are not the same...the only connection is the three countries involved in both.

Very relevant with the OP ... review the whole timeline of the EU construction.

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Let's have a closer look :

Ah yes, because we all know how Putin would never tell a lie.

You need to do better than Putin and his form of telling the truth.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

So I guess it is your turn to provide us an extract of the said speech where you consider that he is lying.

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1. Mr. Putin says: Russian forces in Crimea are only acting to protect Russian military assets. It is “citizens’ defense groups,” not Russian forces, who have seized infrastructure and military facilities in Crimea.

The Facts: Strong evidence suggests that members of Russian security services are at the heart of the highly organized anti-Ukraine forces in Crimea. While these units wear uniforms without insignia, they drive vehicles with Russian military license plates and freely identify themselves as Russian security forces when asked by the international media and the Ukrainian military. Moreover, these individuals are armed with weapons not generally available to civilians.

2. Mr. Putin says: Russia’s actions fall within the scope of the 1997 Friendship Treaty between Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

The Facts: The 1997 agreement requires Russia to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity. Russia’s military actions in Ukraine, which have given them operational control of Crimea, are in clear violation of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty.

3. Mr. Putin says: The opposition failed to implement the February 21 agreement with former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.

The Facts: The February 21 agreement laid out a plan in which the Rada, or Parliament, would pass a bill to return Ukraine to its 2004 Constitution, thus returning the country to a constitutional system centered around its parliament. Under the terms of the agreement, Yanukovych was to sign the enacting legislation within 24 hours and bring the crisis to a peaceful conclusion. Yanukovych refused to keep his end of the bargain. Instead, he packed up his home and fled, leaving behind evidence of wide-scale corruption.

4. Mr. Putin says: Ukraine’s government is illegitimate. Yanukovych is still the legitimate leader of Ukraine.

The Facts: On March 4, President Putin himself acknowledged the reality that Yanukovych “has no political future.” After Yanukovych fled Ukraine, even his own Party of Regions turned against him, voting to confirm his withdrawal from office and to support the new government. Ukraine’s new government was approved by the democratically elected Ukrainian Parliament, with 371 votes – more than an 82% majority. The interim government of Ukraine is a government of the people, which will shepherd the country toward democratic elections on May 25th – elections that will allow all Ukrainians to have a voice in the future of their country.

5. Mr. Putin says: There is a humanitarian crisis and hundreds of thousands are fleeing Ukraine to Russia and seeking asylum.

The Facts: To date, there is absolutely no evidence of a humanitarian crisis. Nor is there evidence of a flood of asylum-seekers fleeing Ukraine for Russia. International organizations on the ground have investigated by talking with Ukrainian border guards, who also refuted these claims. Independent journalists observing the border have also reported no such flood of refugees.

6. Mr. Putin says: Ethnic Russians are under threat.

The Facts: Outside of Russian press and Russian state television, there are no credible reports of any ethnic Russians being under threat. The new Ukrainian government placed a priority on peace and reconciliation from the outset. President Oleksandr Turchynov refused to sign legislation limiting the use of the Russian language at regional level. Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers have filed petitions attesting that their communities have not experienced threats. Furthermore, since the new government was established, calm has returned to Kyiv. There has been no surge in crime, no looting, and no retribution against political opponents.

7. Mr. Putin says: Russian bases are under threat.

The Facts: Russian military facilities were and remain secure, and the new Ukrainian government has pledged to abide by all existing international agreements, including those covering Russian bases. It is Ukrainian bases in Crimea that are under threat from Russian military action.

8. Mr. Putin says: There have been mass attacks on churches and synagogues in southern and eastern Ukraine.

The Facts: Religious leaders in the country and international religious freedom advocates active in Ukraine have said there have been no incidents of attacks on churches. All of Ukraine’s church leaders, including representatives of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate, have expressed support for the new political leadership, calling for national unity and a period of healing. Jewish groups in southern and eastern Ukraine report that they have not seen an increase in anti-Semitic incidents.

9. Mr. Putin says: Kyiv is trying to destabilize Crimea.

The Facts: Ukraine’s interim government has acted with restraint and sought dialogue. Russian troops, on the other hand, have moved beyond their bases to seize political objectives and infrastructure in Crimea. The government in Kyiv immediately sent the former Chief of Defense to defuse the situation. Petro Poroshenko, the latest government emissary to pursue dialogue in Crimea, was prevented from entering the Crimean Rada.

10. Mr. Putin says: The Rada is under the influence of extremists or terrorists.

The Facts: The Rada is the most representative institution in Ukraine. Recent legislation has passed with large majorities, including from representatives of eastern Ukraine. Far-right wing ultranationalist groups, some of which were involved in open clashes with security forces during the EuroMaidan protests, are not represented in the Rada. There is no indication that the Ukrainian government would pursue discriminatory policies; on the contrary, they have publicly stated exactly the opposite.