Bernie Sanders Platform. Dangerous...Failed...Rehashed...and NOT "Revolutionary"

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Out of all the possible candidates on both sides of the aisle, he's the only one whose policies are least likely to result in the planet being a smoldering radioactive wasteland endorsed by God where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the US military gets morphed into something that resembles Emperor Palpatines death star.

He can certainly do no worse than any other POTUS has done over the last 50 years.

That may be so but an election between Sanders and Trump leaves me thinking my best choice is leave the damn country before it sinks.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

The sad thing is, with as much debt as we have, there is absolutely nothing either party **laughs** can do to eliminate the fact that the US will fall and will fall very soon.

originally posted by: Freenrgy2
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

The sad thing is, with as much debt as we have, there is absolutely nothing either party **laughs** can do to eliminate the fact that the US will fall and will fall very soon.

Insightful observation! As pathetic as the picture is, we've nearly completely become a commercially grown turkey as a country. Because of the willful changes made over many years, even with both wings putting maximum effort into working together it will never again be anything but earthbound.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I'm pretty familiar with all of Bernie's stances and having read them all out in a nice little list like that was...helpful.

In fact, I can't imagine why anyone would be opposed to him after reading that.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
If you don't like Bernie don't vote for him. Simple, it is amusing seeing the amount of veiled anti sanders threads popping up on ATS. There's enough information on Bernie for voters to make an educated decision regarding who they are voting for in this election. There has never been a time where information on candidates has been so available to the public, use it and make an educated decision.

1) my thread isn't veiled. I'm overtly telling people to THINK before they vote for Sanders.

2) I'll keep making threads about any Candidate I wish. But thanks for your concern.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Bernie appeals to the naive and foolish. He is 'likable' so he must be good for America. He is going to tax those evil 'rich' people and give me free stuff. The reality is those 'rich' people can afford to leave the United States and take their wealth with them and the rest of us will be stuck here in his Authoritarian cesspool of failure and misery.

Bingo, and under Bernie more will leave. Because people will realize that they woke up in an AUTHORITARIAN Statist nation, led by a man who since his college years...touted State power as a solution, and has only known government his entire life.

a reply to: links234

In fact, I can't imagine why anyone would be opposed to him after reading that.

Because some of us actually understand how economics WORK.,

originally posted by: CosmicSmack
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

i agree 100%. your smashing the sanders fan-club. im a collage age person and when i ask my peers why they like sanders they literary have no answers but " i like free stuff" and "he is not trump" and then im crazy and dumb for having reasons against him that are based on research and actual thought.

sanders also thinks "climate change" (i prefer the name carbon imperialism) is a big issue even though its phony and wants to take our guns. this should be massive red flags on him. he is straight up full of poo and he knows it.

And don't bend to the will of your peers in college, as much as it may pain you to have "unpopular" views at a young age, keep with it.

Challenge the "authority" of the Bern Victims. Because that is exactly what they want and want to be....."The Authority".

They'll replace the so called "Burgoise"...by becoming the new Elite Statist class and try to tell you at every turn how "cool" it is.

It's a lie. Bernie will be the opposite of "cool"..and this has been attempted dozens of times before by much wiser men than Bernie.

Climate change is phony people.

The left wing embraces it because it gives them another excuse to rob from the rich, and give to the poor.

All so they can go out, and buy more stuff.

Socialism is GREED,and Materialism on an epic scale, and the commoditization of oneself, and ones labor for the common 'good'.

Which is tantamount to SLAVERY.

The state is the master.

It get's to feed you,cloth you,'educate' you, and give you 'free' healthcare.

The only thing YOU have to do is vote for people like Sanders.

Well because he's MORE equal than you. So he gets to live better than YOU.

What an absolute FARCE.

Remember folks, Bernie stated the other night that his plan for Illegal Immigration is expansion of Obamas Executive Orders, a widening of their current scope and full Amnesty.

Even if you agree with Amnesty(aka despise your fellow countrymen/women).....it CANNOT work with Bernie's platform or model.

There would need to be zero base budgeting and auditing...and we would find out just how WRONG the census data has been when tens of millions "come out of the shadows" to be new welfare, services, jobs, and voting ELIGIBLE citizens.

We would crack economically.

That's not Revolutionary...that's insanity

originally posted by: pexx421
What idiocy. I am so tired of idiotic hyperbole people keep repeating that under bernie, or any other leftist for that matter, "everyone will get paid the same". No one is advocating that. No one HAS ever advocated that, other than Marx. Please, get off it.

The argument here is not about weather all people should make the same money or not. Stop debating that point, no one else is. There are plenty other points to debate THAT REALLY EXIST. let it go, for gods sake.

Okay...

Here's question for you: What is "Rich"? Is it someone with $1,000 more than you, $100, $10?

The other night I finally saw someone on TV (some pundit, forgotten who) say what I've been saying here at home for two or three months. Every time I see college students asked to define socialism I've been expecting, "Isn't that like F@cebook & Tw*tter & Stuff?"

Do you acknowledge that the "Just In Time" style of manufacturing and shipping is impracticable in a socialist society? A responsible servant of his district would, by necessity, need to keep a certain amount of inventory as a buffer against the unexpected. Surely you understand that being so fine a servitor of the masses would entitle one to a bit more of that inventory than those who slept soundly at night because they didn't have those worries.

I'm repeating myself, but that's fine. It should be made clear. The idea of anyone going hungry, lacking a place to live, access to the necessities for personal hygiene and clean clothes distresses me more than you probably believe.

A few years ago on another BBS/Forum, I complained about a young family in Texas who had started out feeding the homeless themselves. It grew into a project that the entire block took part in and an average of 500 hot meals were being served every Wednesday night. Bear in mind that these meals were the exact same food that these good people were putting on their own tables for their families.

The law stepped in and stopped it with threats of ridiculously large fines.

One of the women who was a regular on the board pointed out to me that what was truly pathetic was that it took a "Responsible Social Progressive" to point out that someone had to step in an guarantee that those homeless weren't being fed food that didn't meet gov't guidelines!

So the homeless went back to digging through dumpsters for scraps of unfinished meals (if the rice is squirming, just pick it out) while they wait in the hope that "Someday" somebody "Might" put a committee together to "Study the Feasibility" of "Asking for Funding" and then "Applying for the Permits" to pass out whatever glop it was decided these poor, forgotten people can choke down.

I'm not nearly as uninformed as you seem to imply. My earlier post was an attempt to make my point in a way that most readers would understand. You might want to go back & check, I deliberately made a point of showing that a Socialist system has just as many opportunities for greed & abuse with each successive level as Capitalism.

It's often forgotten that our ally, Great Britain, was very socialist after WWII. In order for the country to recover it was a necessity. They got a lot of things right, too. There are several excellent books about the early years of the young guys that would later bring the British Invasion to our country. Their individual stories of their formative years are replete with examples of socialism applied in a way that was more humane than capitalism. Richard Starkey (Ringo) comes to mind. His dad had left when he was a toddler. At age six, he developed appendicitis. His appendix ruptured resulting in peritonitis and he slipped into a ten week coma. After regaining consciousness, the severity of the infection meant a long slog toward recovery. After six months, going home began to look more and more likely, but then disaster struck again. Ringo fell out of the hospital bed necessitating an additional six month hospital stay.

Needless to say, if this story took place in 2016's America, most of us would be totally destitute. Ringo was totally illiterate because of the time missed from school but he and his mother weren't living on the streets.

So basically, I agree that Socialism shouldn't be universally demonized but, for gosh sake, don't sugar-coat it either! It, at the very least, has as many flaws and drawbacks as Capitalism. It was downright depressing to hear John Lennon absolutely sneer at the "bloated, ignorant middle class" in one of his last recorded interviews. I had to track down the particulars of his rant before I could believe it had actually been him. Far from feeling gratitude to all those who had made him fantastically wealthy, just before his death he totally detested them.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

We would crack economically.

When 10 to 30 million people would be instantly added to the welfare rolls.

When they would be getting that 'free' education taught in espanol instead of english.

That is the entire point.

Socialism is a means to their end game.

Full blown communism.

Cloward and Piven All the way which is Sanders true platform which is a heaping,steaming, mount everst pile of doggie doo.

When all else fails, troll. The Establishment is running scared today. Trump has yuuuge support on the Republican side. But he is a total wild card. On the other hand, Sanders has yuuuge support on the Democratic side. And he has spoken with a consistent voice for his entire political career. Both candidates advocate much needed change. I say go with Bernie though. His policies are designed to make America better for the many while hardly impacting the few. That sounds like a pretty good deal all around in my book.

a reply to: tabularosa

What happens with his policies when the next president (who may not be as super awesome as the Beurn) gets in?

a reply to: tabularosa

His policies are designed to make America better for the many while hardly impacting the few.

That's nice so minority RIGHTS really don't mean anything to Sanders, and the Left.

Guess Sanders and the rest of the Left need to stop lying to people how they are the 'champions' of civil liberties.

Further showing just who really does think that constitution is just a GD piece of paper.

That's right people.

The only WAR Sanders party ever won has been the WAR on the RICH.

After all they are the 'one percent'.

Funny that since there are less than 10 million. 'Millionaires' and less than 500 billionaires.

If Rich were an animal LEFT wingers would want to put them on an 'endangered' species list, and FINE people for 'killing' them.

Instead they want to make the species EXTINCT.

originally posted by: tabularosa
When all else fails, troll. The Establishment is running scared today. Trump has yuuuge support on the Republican side. But he is a total wild card. On the other hand, Sanders has yuuuge support on the Democratic side. And he has spoken with a consistent voice for his entire political career. Both candidates advocate much needed change. I say go with Bernie though. His policies are designed to make America better for the many while hardly impacting the few. That sounds like a pretty good deal all around in my book.

I LOVE reading you guys post stuff like this. It always follows the same outline:

1) Compare Trump and Sanders

2) End with Sanders as the best option
a) Don't explain why or how
b) Something about Make America better (Trump's mantra)
c) It won't hurt a bit
d) It sounds good to me.

LOL Does anyone actually think about reality of POLICY anymore?

originally posted by: neo96
That's right people.

The only WAR Sanders party ever won has been the WAR on the RICH.

After all they are the 'one percent'.

Funny that since there are less than 10 million. 'Millionaires' and less than 500 billionaires.

If Rich were an animal LEFT wingers would want to put them on an 'endangered' species list, and FINE people for 'killing' them.

Instead they want to make the species EXTINCT.

"Rich" will keep changing over time. In any Authoritarian Statist takeover, the "Rich" becomes broader and broader.

Soon it will be anyone who makes over $150,000 a year. Give it enough time.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: tabularosa
When all else fails, troll. The Establishment is running scared today. Trump has yuuuge support on the Republican side. But he is a total wild card. On the other hand, Sanders has yuuuge support on the Democratic side. And he has spoken with a consistent voice for his entire political career. Both candidates advocate much needed change. I say go with Bernie though. His policies are designed to make America better for the many while hardly impacting the few. That sounds like a pretty good deal all around in my book.

I LOVE reading you guys post stuff like this. It always follows the same outline:

1) Compare Trump and Sanders

2) End with Sanders as the best option
a) Don't explain why or how
b) Something about Make America better (Trump's mantra)
c) It won't hurt a bit
d) It sounds good to me.

LOL Does anyone actually think about reality of POLICY anymore?

The short answer, no. Main problem. All talk about ends without any understanding of means.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: tabularosa
When all else fails, troll. The Establishment is running scared today. Trump has yuuuge support on the Republican side. But he is a total wild card. On the other hand, Sanders has yuuuge support on the Democratic side. And he has spoken with a consistent voice for his entire political career. Both candidates advocate much needed change. I say go with Bernie though. His policies are designed to make America better for the many while hardly impacting the few. That sounds like a pretty good deal all around in my book.

I LOVE reading you guys post stuff like this. It always follows the same outline:

1) Compare Trump and Sanders

2) End with Sanders as the best option
a) Don't explain why or how
b) Something about Make America better (Trump's mantra)
c) It won't hurt a bit
d) It sounds good to me.

LOL Does anyone actually think about reality of POLICY anymore?

That's what they call the false dilemma fallacy.

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