The Truth of Sanders is That He Is a Socialist.

originally posted by: MrThortan
I don't like the idea of total socialism, nor total capitalism. We are currently a mixed economy and I think that needs to be tweaked and fine tuned. I do believe that any monetary system is doomed to fail, however, and it is simply a matter of postponing the inevitable doom as long as possible.

That's the root of the issue, is our current monetary system.

Fractional reserve banking.
Quantitative easing.
Fiat currency.
The Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

I've attempted to talk to my friends and family about these things, but after a few minutes a smart phone is in their hands or their focused on the television.

The American populace doesn't care. For a short period of time every three and a half years, when the (s)election process is all over social media and television, the American people make a great deal of noise, and slowly slide back away in front of their televisions.

I'm incredibly pessimistic towards American society (obviously), but this is my perception gained from my experiences. Twenty months from now, politics will hardly be of an interest.

a reply to: Decency

sh*t yeah that sounds awesome.
Do you want my credit card number now?

For those older ATS members... Who was the last president that affected/changed your PERSONAL life for the BETTER?

I dont understand how the illusion continues to hypnotize people. Rather, I'm in awe.

Dear U.S. Constitution,

Thank you!

Your friend,
six67seven

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: Decency

sh*t yeah that sounds awesome.
Do you want my credit card number now?

That's what I'm saying.

I've always wanted to be in the Illuminutty!

I think that people are missing the main point in that we can always vote for fewer freedoms and responsibilities, but we can never vote for more freedoms.

it's a one-way street and we've been driving down that road for quite some time now.

a reply to: RomeByFire

What you are claiming is what every socialist claims, that everything good under the sun is socialism...

Well, sorry to rain on your parade, everything is not socialism...

As an example, a socialist police in a nation will follow ONE set of rules, in the United States every state has different laws. Yes some laws are basic, but that doesn't make LEAs socialist... Are LEAs turning socialist?... Sure they are, thanks to more and more implementations of socialism into the system.

Turning socialist doesn't mean they are socialist already. At least not yet.

Public libraries are not socialist... You know why? Because under socialism there is a lot of control over what books you could find in a library. Public libraries are funded under a variety of sources in the U.S.

For example, public libraries in Vermont receive no state funding.

Just because a military, sewer waste removal, highways, etc etc exist in a nation it doesn't make them socialist...

Sorry, but it doesn't...

Socialism means the government owns all means of production. Socialism means all property that produces in large quantities are owned and controlled by the State. Socialism means to ban liberties, and rights of people as individuals for the collective/common good...

You have to learn what socialism is first, because sorry to rain on your parade....everything under the sun is not socialist...

I don't think anyone is advocating turning the USA into a Communist state...

Some people would just like to see some 'socialist' policies introduced into the USA, like universal healthcare or an adequate minimum wage. They are things already enjoyed by the majority of the developed world, and it isn't as if those things will destroy the fabric of the USA or severely cripple it.

originally posted by: six67seven
For those older ATS members... Who was the last president that affected/changed your PERSONAL life for the BETTER?

That would be Bill Clinton. I started my first business under Clinton and his economic model was perfect for us small operators to profit and prosper. In fact I made enough money and invested wisely in Real Estate that I was able to essentially retire and live off the residuals. I stayed in business up until the present time because It's just a lot of fun; even during recessions.

My business is my PERSONAL life....

originally posted by: daaskapital
I don't think anyone is advocating turning the USA into a Communist state...

Some people would just like to see some 'socialist' policies introduced into the USA, like universal healthcare or an adequate minimum wage. They are things already enjoyed by the majority of the developed world, and it isn't as if those things will destroy the fabric of the USA or severely cripple it.

I'd like to be a little bit of a heroin addict.

What's the worst that could happen?

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Uh no. It doesn't work that way. Congress has to approve his nominations. All of them.

Really? well the Constitution states that only Congress can issue coin, and regulates it's value. Is that what has been happening?...No... progressive democrats made sure in 1913 that coin is issued and is regulated by an agency which is outside of government control...

What makes you think if Sanders is President he would not control who he nominates to be in charge of the Fed as he says he will do?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: RomeByFire

What you are claiming is what every socialist claims, that everything good under the sun is socialism...

Well, sorry to rain on your parade, everything is not socialism...

As an example, a socialist police in a nation will follow ONE set of rules, in the United States every state has different laws. Yes some laws are basic, but that doesn't make LEAs socialist... Are LEAs turning socialist?... Sure they are, thanks to more and more implementations of socialism into the system.

Turning socialist doesn't mean they are socialist already. At least not yet.

Public libraries are not socialist... You know why? Because under socialism there is a lot of control over what books you could find in a library. Public libraries are funded under a variety of sources in the U.S.

For example, public libraries in Vermont receive no state funding.

Just because a military, sewer waste removal, highways, etc etc exist in a nation it doesn't make them socialist...

Sorry, but it doesn't...

Socialism means the government owns all means of production. Socialism means all property that produces in large quantities are owned and controlled by the State. Socialism means to ban liberties, and rights of people as individuals for the collective/common good...

You have to learn what socialism is first, because sorry to rain on your parade....everything under the sun is not socialist...

I never claimed any of the things you said I have.

I never said anything about how "everything under the sun is good under socialism," stop with the ridiculous personal attacks. We are not children.

You tell me I need to learn how socialism exists, and then you proceed to tell me that highways aren't a socialist program?

How do you think that gets paid for?

originally posted by: daaskapital
I don't think anyone is advocating turning the USA into a Communist state...

Some people would just like to see some 'socialist' policies introduced into the USA, like universal healthcare or an adequate minimum wage. They are things already enjoyed by the majority of the developed world, and it isn't as if those things will destroy the fabric of the USA or severely cripple it.

*snort* I know, right?

I think people just want to see a better return on their taxes. Under Sander's most people's taxes would stay the same or only marginally be raised...but they would save money by not having to pay for expensive private insurance...

Yea, so what?

It may very well be exactly what this country needs to progress further in this world as a whole. I know i know, Progress; God forbid progress says the GOP.

We see the result of our current system already. It sucks and is getting worse. Why be insane and try the same thing over and over again expecting different results?

originally posted by: olaru12
Being totally ruled by crony capitalist isn't my idea of freedom and liberty. It's more like a fascist oligarchy tyranny imo.

Throwing around "socialist BS" isn't going to change anyone's mind. It's a numbers game now....place your bets.

I'll take socialism over a religo fascist like Cruz any day!!

They sound like Bobby Boucher's mom.

BERNIE SANDERS IS THE DEVIL!!!!

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Just to clear something up, despite calling himself a "democratic socialist," Bernie Sanders is actually a "socialist democrat" which is not the same thing.

What's funny is you obviously KNOW this because you linked from a Daily Kos post I've actually read and know to be about this very distinction.

I don't think Sanders would be effective (actually quite the opposite), I'm not particularly impressed with him and ultimately I see a Sanders presidency as being a disaster that could lead to a certain GOP victory in 2020.

On the other hand, you're straight up being disingenuous. You're also quite the chicken little:

"He would completely destroy or re-write the United States Constitution"

Yea, because the president can do that. Ugh.

If just voting for a "little socialism" is okay, has there ever been a time when any country voted for a little less?

How does one vote themselves out of government control?

Hell yeah! We could be like Nicaragua and Cuba! Then we'd REALLY be free and equal!

Socialism! It's so good for everyone that it has to be mandated.

originally posted by: theantediluvian

Just to clear something up, despite calling himself a "democratic socialist," Bernie Sanders is actually a "socialist democrat" which is not the same thing.

Well, if he can't even figure out what he means when he says "socialist", I suppose we shouldn't berate his supporters too badly for following his lead.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Just to clear something up, despite calling himself a "democratic socialist," Bernie Sanders is actually a "socialist democrat" which is not the same thing.

What's funny is you obviously KNOW this because you linked from a Daily Kos post I've actually read and know to be about this very distinction.

I don't think Sanders would be effective (actually quite the opposite), I'm not particularly impressed with him and ultimately I see a Sanders presidency as being a disaster that could lead to a certain GOP victory in 2020.

On the other hand, you're straight up being disingenuous. You're also quite the chicken little:

"He would completely destroy or re-write the United States Constitution"

Yea, because the president can do that. Ugh.

"I'm not a Democrat, I'm an Independent, but I caucus with the Democrats."

-Bernie Sanders

He says he isn't a Democrat so, that leaves socialist.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

*snort* I know, right?

I think people just want to see a better return on their taxes. Under Sander's most people's taxes would stay the same or only marginally be raised...but they would save money by not having to pay for expensive private insurance...

*snort* I am pretty certain this is the same thing "socialists" claimed would happen in Venezuela... These are the same claims "socialists" claim is happening in Cuba.

Social democrat/socialist democrat/democrat socialist are all the same thing...socialism...

"Socialists" like Sanders want to implement the same policies, and laws that have been implemented in countries like Venezuela...

Were you one of the members who claimed that "freedom, money growing on trees, and equality for all" would happen in Venezuela under Chavez and his cronies?...