Sanders Verses Trump, Lets Do This!

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.

If corporations are going to play this game of nation hopping when convenient and play off one population against the other then organized labor should follow in their wake and demand parity of income and workers rights.
Act locally think globally. ...corporate does!.

Is there some moral code corporations are required to follow? Because I missed that.

If labor demands it they are required to follow it or else!!...and if done right then affiliated union in other nations fellows suite but you don't get to play one against the other by simply moving shop.

a reply to: Annee

I'm not sure how much voluntary ethics played a part in it or not. But I know there was policies in place which forced businesses to operate in ways that at least acted as if they had ethics, whether they wanted to or not.

Over time and through lobbying however many of those were removed because it was said that we had to in order to compete and how we needed corporations to be unrestricted in how they do business world wide. Well they had one thing correct, doing so certainly helped the corporations with being more profitable. However, it also cost everyone else all job security and any leverage within the job market.

But if you're a corporation it's been very nice. Just no so much if you're an actual person or part of the working class.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.

If corporations are going to play this game of nation hopping when convenient and play off one population against the other then organized labor should follow in their wake and demand parity of income and workers rights.
Act locally think globally. ...corporate does!.

Okay. Maybe.

But what "Rights" are we going to demand??

Lemme guess....higher wages immediately...correct?

Everything from safety to higher wages yes.

So you want rights and better wages for third world workers?

Okay...then what?

What exactly are you talking about?

THAT is going to stop Americans outsourcing? Lol

Yes, if the cost is about the same as production at home and in the case of the U.S that's the main market to date..if Corp is thinking Globally then Labor should too.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Annee

I'm not sure how much voluntary ethics played a part in it or not. But I know there was policies in place which forced businesses to operate in ways that at least acted as if they had ethics, whether they wanted to or not.

Over time and through lobbying however many of those were removed because it was said that we had to in order to compete and how we needed corporations to be unrestricted in how they do business world wide. Well they had one thing correct, doing so certainly helped the corporations with being more profitable. However, it also cost everyone else all job security and any leverage within the job market.

But if you're a corporation it's been very nice. Just no so much if you're an actual person or part of the working class.

It was very different in the 50's. Large companies were like family. They valued their loyal employees.

Then it became like sports and free agency. All about the numbers and who/how to get the numbers.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.

If corporations are going to play this game of nation hopping when convenient and play off one population against the other then organized labor should follow in their wake and demand parity of income and workers rights.
Act locally think globally. ...corporate does!.

Okay. Maybe.

But what "Rights" are we going to demand??

Lemme guess....higher wages immediately...correct?

Everything from safety to higher wages yes.

So you want rights and better wages for third world workers?

Okay...then what?

What exactly are you talking about?

THAT is going to stop Americans outsourcing? Lol

Yes, if the cost is about the same as production at home and in the case of the U.S that's the main market to date..if Corp is thinking Globally then Labor should too.

Why don't you do yourself a favor.......and lookup the word......."CURRENCY".

Start there....

a reply to: Spider879

And while you're at it....lookup "exchange rates".

There's a whole spectacular world out there.

a reply to: Annee

That must have been nice. I honestly have almost no way to personally identify with such a thing. Perhaps when I was younger I recall those things being talked about. Now I've heard or read about such companies now and then but never had the pleasure of actually working with one. But they sure do sound like a neat idea. I wish there were more of them and I'm surprised there aren't more of them as I hear they are actually quite profitable too. But for the most part finding one that operates like that might as well be a work of fiction where I'm at. But I still have hope more will pop up in the future.

a reply to: vjr1113

There is no such thing as a level playing field. That is a utopian pipe dream.

There are advantages and disadvantages. Make it advantageous to bring business to America, and the jobs will come.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

There's no way to for american workers to compete with slave labor and sweat shops. Obviously there needs to be a deterrent against such practices that's enforceable. Is silly to pretend like we can both allow for things like slavery and sweatshops to exist in other countries then pretend like we can compete with workers being paid with whip lashes or next to nothing.

a reply to: mOjOm

I work for one. Been with them for 15 years. The worst part is the ever-increasing government regulation, HR litigiousness to satisfy the grievance industry, and the shift towards employing temp labor instead of creating permanent jobs because health insurance has been borked by well-intentioned but still economically ignorant liberal politicians.

Maybe I have been reading this thread wrong, but I swear that what I'm hearing is a proposal that ALL workers in the ENTIRE world, should all be payed the same wage.

And curiously, that wage should be pegged to an American Standard...to "stop outsourcing".

Do I have that correct?

If the answer is yes....you're insane...period

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Teikiatsu

There's no way to for american workers to compete with slave labor and sweat shops. Obviously there needs to be a deterrent against such practices that's enforceable. Is silly to pretend like we can both allow for things like slavery and sweatshops to exist in other countries then pretend like we can compete with workers being paid with whip lashes or next to nothing.

Yes, there is. It's called quality product at a competitive price. It's created by making it possible for businesses to have more advantage in hiring Americans and keeping their revenues in America.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

well there you go ladies and gents. its a difficult goal, so forget the pursuit of happiness just exploit and screw everyone else. all that matters is how big the oil tycoons' yacht can get. its a good thing you aren't running for president.

let the Trump supporters stand as an example.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Maybe I have been reading this thread wrong, but I swear that what I'm hearing is a proposal that ALL workers in the ENTIRE world, should all be payed the same wage.

And curiously, that wage should be pegged to an American Standard...to "stop outsourcing".

Do I have that correct?

If the answer is yes....you're insane...period

It is the naive yet adorable progressive quest for equality of outcome.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Companies are going to set up shop overseas and overseas companies will set up shop in the states based off their needs, and currencies can fluctuate so yes there is value investing overseas ,but the idea that you can screw over you labor force without consequence either in the U.S or Bangladesh may no longer exist.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Or maybe we should make it a disadvantage to leave. We keep trying to appease and reward them when they are already getting advantages from everywhere. We're like a bunch of slaves killing ourselves to be the one who sucks up to our masters better than everyone else so we'll be lucky enough to get their scraps first.

Maybe instead we should stop rewarding them all the time and penalize them for the stuff they're already doing which rewards only them at the cost of everyone else????

How much sucking up and begging is enough???

Are they really worth selling out even more of our humanity just to please those who are already getting all the pleasure you can imagine??

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Teikiatsu

There's no way to for american workers to compete with slave labor and sweat shops. Obviously there needs to be a deterrent against such practices that's enforceable. Is silly to pretend like we can both allow for things like slavery and sweatshops to exist in other countries then pretend like we can compete with workers being paid with whip lashes or next to nothing.

Yes, there is. It's called quality product at a competitive price. It's created by making it possible for businesses to have more advantage in hiring Americans and keeping their revenues in America.

thats why walmart is one of the largest companies in the world right?

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu

well there you go ladies and gents. its a difficult goal, so forget the pursuit of happiness just exploit and screw everyone else. all that matters is how big the oil tycoons' yacht can get. its a good thing you aren't running for president.

let the Trump supporters stand as an example.

It only ends up as exploitation and screwing people over in the minds of people with no grasp of economics. Or in other words, Bernie supporters.

Government has screwed things up, so by all means give government more power to fix what it broke. Makes perfect sense.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Or maybe we should make it a disadvantage to leave. We keep trying to appease and reward them when they are already getting advantages from everywhere. We're like a bunch of slaves killing ourselves to be the one who sucks up to our masters better than everyone else so we'll be lucky enough to get their scraps first.

Maybe instead we should stop rewarding them all the time and penalize them for the stuff they're already doing which rewards only them at the cost of everyone else????

How much sucking up and begging is enough???

Are they really worth selling out even more of our humanity just to please those who are already getting all the pleasure you can imagine??

Yes, yes... let the hate flow through you. Punish those who succeed... they must have cheated someone. Good, good...

originally posted by: vjr1113

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Teikiatsu

There's no way to for american workers to compete with slave labor and sweat shops. Obviously there needs to be a deterrent against such practices that's enforceable. Is silly to pretend like we can both allow for things like slavery and sweatshops to exist in other countries then pretend like we can compete with workers being paid with whip lashes or next to nothing.

Yes, there is. It's called quality product at a competitive price. It's created by making it possible for businesses to have more advantage in hiring Americans and keeping their revenues in America.

thats why walmart is one of the largest companies in the world right?

What's wrong with Walmart?

I mean their crap sucks, but what's "wrong" with them? Are they "evil"?