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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: vjr1113
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Teikiatsu
There's no way to for american workers to compete with slave labor and sweat shops. Obviously there needs to be a deterrent against such practices that's enforceable. Is silly to pretend like we can both allow for things like slavery and sweatshops to exist in other countries then pretend like we can compete with workers being paid with whip lashes or next to nothing.
Yes, there is. It's called quality product at a competitive price. It's created by making it possible for businesses to have more advantage in hiring Americans and keeping their revenues in America.
thats why walmart is one of the largest companies in the world right?
What's wrong with Walmart?
I mean their crap sucks, but what's "wrong" with them? Are they "evil"?
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Teikiatsu
So I you expect me to magically produce a super candy bar so high in quality it'll be miraculously worth them paying me a living wage rather than having some child slave make a non magical non miraculous candy bar to not make his back look like a wall after a 50 year prison sentence instead of cold hard cash?
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu
well there you go ladies and gents. its a difficult goal, so forget the pursuit of happiness just exploit and screw everyone else. all that matters is how big the oil tycoons' yacht can get. its a good thing you aren't running for president.
let the Trump supporters stand as an example.
It only ends up as exploitation and screwing people over in the minds of people with no grasp of economics. Or in other words, Bernie supporters.
Government has screwed things up, so by all means give government more power to fix what it broke. Makes perfect sense.
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu
so cheap foreign labor is the US government's fault? maybe, but its the foreign countries fault really.
youre making strawmen again, i said its up to foreign countries to level the playing field, its not out job, its theirs. the exploited have to stand up for themselves. to think chinese labor is not exploitation is delusional.
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Teikiatsu
Make jokes all you want but I'm serious. We already allow them to set up shop in countries where they have zero taxes even though they're actually doing their primary business here. How can we go lower than zero??? Should we just start paying them??? I'd hate to work all week for the pleasure of paying my boss on payday. But that is what it takes to offer a better deal then they are already getting.
If they already have access to workers working for pennies on the dollar and can claim their company actually is based out of some tax shelter while still doing business here I don't know how you think we can sweeten the deal any more for them other than bribing them.
originally posted by: Spider879
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu
well there you go ladies and gents. its a difficult goal, so forget the pursuit of happiness just exploit and screw everyone else. all that matters is how big the oil tycoons' yacht can get. its a good thing you aren't running for president.
let the Trump supporters stand as an example.
It only ends up as exploitation and screwing people over in the minds of people with no grasp of economics. Or in other words, Bernie supporters.
Government has screwed things up, so by all means give government more power to fix what it broke. Makes perfect sense.
So a future where corporate rule is the answer??..every movie I had seen tell me it's a bad idea. ..corporations are not moral they are by necessity A moral where the end game is the bottom line, human factor be damned, laissez-faire capitalism was bad during the industrial revolution then it would be worst now.
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu
my point is it doesn't matter how much we cut corporate tax, cheap foreign labor leads to outsourcing, leads to less US jobs, leads to foreign workforce exploitation.
you could have zero corporate tax doesnt matter, as long as the labor is cheaper in other countries, there is no way the american workforce can compete.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Spider879
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu
well there you go ladies and gents. its a difficult goal, so forget the pursuit of happiness just exploit and screw everyone else. all that matters is how big the oil tycoons' yacht can get. its a good thing you aren't running for president.
let the Trump supporters stand as an example.
It only ends up as exploitation and screwing people over in the minds of people with no grasp of economics. Or in other words, Bernie supporters.
Government has screwed things up, so by all means give government more power to fix what it broke. Makes perfect sense.
So a future where corporate rule is the answer??..every movie I had seen tell me it's a bad idea. ..corporations are not moral they are by necessity A moral where the end game is the bottom line, human factor be damned, laissez-faire capitalism was bad during the industrial revolution then it would be worst now.
Why is it some people think that the only option to government regulations is total anarchy? When you have a bloated bureaucracy you don't have to just kill it. You put it on a diet and start reductions. There is a happy medium, it's not all or nothing.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: vjr1113
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Teikiatsu
There's no way to for american workers to compete with slave labor and sweat shops. Obviously there needs to be a deterrent against such practices that's enforceable. Is silly to pretend like we can both allow for things like slavery and sweatshops to exist in other countries then pretend like we can compete with workers being paid with whip lashes or next to nothing.
Yes, there is. It's called quality product at a competitive price. It's created by making it possible for businesses to have more advantage in hiring Americans and keeping their revenues in America.
thats why walmart is one of the largest companies in the world right?
What's wrong with Walmart?
I mean their crap sucks, but what's "wrong" with them? Are they "evil"?
Why does their 'crap suck'? You can get good merchandise at competitive prices. That's why they are successful. The only reason I avoid it is because of the clientele that frequents the stores in my area, not the contents themselves.
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu
my point is it doesn't matter how much we cut corporate tax, cheap foreign labor leads to outsourcing, leads to less US jobs, leads to foreign workforce exploitation.
you could have zero corporate tax doesnt matter, as long as the labor is cheaper in other countries, there is no way the american workforce can compete.
Wrong. There is a balance between wages, skilled labor, and advantageous economic landscape. The problem is that is requires a willingness to stop meddling and seeking the utopian pipe dream of equality of outcome. It requires treating people like adults who can make their own decisions, take their own risks, and face the possibility of failure.
originally posted by: Spider879
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu
well there you go ladies and gents. its a difficult goal, so forget the pursuit of happiness just exploit and screw everyone else. all that matters is how big the oil tycoons' yacht can get. its a good thing you aren't running for president.
let the Trump supporters stand as an example.
It only ends up as exploitation and screwing people over in the minds of people with no grasp of economics. Or in other words, Bernie supporters.
Government has screwed things up, so by all means give government more power to fix what it broke. Makes perfect sense.
So a future where corporate rule is the answer??..every movie I had seen tell me it's a bad idea. ..corporations are not moral they are by necessity A moral where the end game is the bottom line, human factor be damned, laissez-faire capitalism was bad during the industrial revolution then it would be worst now.
originally posted by: awareness10
Unfortunately, without Walmart and inexpensive outlets like it, most people would have gone hungry due to the rising costs and other outlets that charge 3X time amount walmart does.
Why are they closing them?
I know why..
Someone wants a Controlled War.