Sanders Verses Trump, Lets Do This!

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu

well there you go ladies and gents. its a difficult goal, so forget the pursuit of happiness just exploit and screw everyone else. all that matters is how big the oil tycoons' yacht can get. its a good thing you aren't running for president.

let the Trump supporters stand as an example.

It only ends up as exploitation and screwing people over in the minds of people with no grasp of economics. Or in other words, Bernie supporters.

Government has screwed things up, so by all means give government more power to fix what it broke. Makes perfect sense.

So a future where corporate rule is the answer??..every movie I had seen tell me it's a bad idea. ..corporations are not moral they are by necessity A moral where the end game is the bottom line, human factor be damned, laissez-faire capitalism was bad during the industrial revolution then it would be worst now.

While we have an over TWENTY TRILLION dollar Federal Debt.

While cities are LYING to citizens about the amount of lead in drinking water.

But yeah, the "rich"...

Have you ever really pondered the vastness of TWENTY TRILLION?

Care to examine why the rivers are so poisonous??...mainly runoff from where??..crumbling infrastructure, massive tax cuts to corporations who parked it all in off shore accounts??, bloated military contracts in the tune of


Take note of the Blue most of that is going to Corporate.
Who then turn around and not pay taxes on it.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
It's Americans duty to "raise the third world to a level" where they can compete with American workers.....to stifle American outsourcing.

Brilliant. Just.....brilliant.

Amazing stuff there.

I know, right?

Why the hell would anyone want to do that even if they could?!

Don't raise the bridge, lower the water!

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

I know, right?

Why the hell would anyone want to do that even if they could?!

Don't raise the bridge, lower the water!

I don't think that analogy is correct.

You don't have control over lowering the water only building the bridge. If you could lower the water you wouldn't need the bridge to begin with. That's why we build bridges because it's easier than trying to control the water.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

thats not at all what i said, that quote was a complete fabrication.

what i said is that its up to the Chinese to demand a better standard of living and better wages, its not our job, its theirs.

you can keep mocking misquotes all you want, its just strawmen.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
And with that, good night all.

Really???

So when the going get's tough the tough go to bed???

"And with being proven wrong, good night all." Words to remember you by.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
It's Americans duty to "raise the third world to a level" where they can compete with American workers.....to stifle American outsourcing.

Brilliant. Just.....brilliant.

Amazing stuff there.

I know, right?

Why the hell would anyone want to do that even if they could?!

Don't raise the bridge, lower the water!

Because one can do well with trading partners who have the money to buy our stuff and not living in squalor on slave wages, Japan and Germany and other places in Europe, case in point after WWII both nations were effectively reduced to 3rd world status but we helped raised them literally from the ashes where their economies are similar to ours and are strong allies, it is the opposite that fuels instability ,revolutions and war.

The entire WORLD is F****D. If it goes down, burning, water or other....

I can't F*****G wait, so long as i have a bottle of Burban to wish it all GOOD Night!

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: burgerbuddy

thats not at all what i said, that quote was a complete fabrication.

what i said is that its up to the Chinese to demand a better standard of living and better wages, its not our job, its theirs.

you can keep mocking misquotes all you want, its just strawmen.

I happen to have it on good authority, that china's economy has been smokin along for a few years at about 10% growth.

The USA has an anemic growth of 2-3% for about the same amount of time.

Believe me, chinese workers are not hurting.
In fact, the last time i was in Shanghai, they were riding bikes. That was about 10 yrs ago.

Now it's traffic jam city with nice high end cars, no $150 beaters.

You can't open a biz in china without a local for a partner at, I think, 51%.
So don't think companies are just moving in and hiring.

It's a huge process and the govt is all over it.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: burgerbuddy

thats not at all what i said, that quote was a complete fabrication.

what i said is that its up to the Chinese to demand a better standard of living and better wages, its not our job, its theirs.

you can keep mocking misquotes all you want, its just strawmen.

I happen to have it on good authority, that china's economy has been smokin along for a few years at about 10% growth.

The USA has an anemic growth of 2-3% for about the same amount of time.

Believe me, chinese workers are not hurting.
In fact, the last time i was in Shanghai, they were riding bikes. That was about 10 yrs ago.

Now it's traffic jam city with nice high end cars, no $150 beaters.

You can't open a biz in china without a local for a partner at, I think, 51%.
So don't think companies are just moving in and hiring.

It's a huge process and the govt is all over it.

shanghai does not represent all of china

dubai does not represent all of UAE

mumbai does not represent all of india

and new york does not represent all of the US

I like data better than myths

notice how we can out produce the chinese but were still losing jobs to then because their labor is so cheap.

their cost of living is about half as ours, but they're getting paid about a tenth of what we earn.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Teikiatsu

well there you go ladies and gents. its a difficult goal, so forget the pursuit of happiness just exploit and screw everyone else. all that matters is how big the oil tycoons' yacht can get. its a good thing you aren't running for president.

let the Trump supporters stand as an example.

It only ends up as exploitation and screwing people over in the minds of people with no grasp of economics. Or in other words, Bernie supporters.

Government has screwed things up, so by all means give government more power to fix what it broke. Makes perfect sense.

So a future where corporate rule is the answer??..every movie I had seen tell me it's a bad idea. ..corporations are not moral they are by necessity A moral where the end game is the bottom line, human factor be damned, laissez-faire capitalism was bad during the industrial revolution then it would be worst now.

While we have an over TWENTY TRILLION dollar Federal Debt.

While cities are LYING to citizens about the amount of lead in drinking water.

But yeah, the "rich"...

Have you ever really pondered the vastness of TWENTY TRILLION?

Care to examine why the rivers are so poisonous??...mainly runoff from where??..crumbling infrastructure, massive tax cuts to corporations who parked it all in off shore accounts??, bloated military contracts in the tune of

Take note of the Blue most of that is going to Corporate.
Who then turn around and not pay taxes on it.

Crumbling infrastructure so more TAXES to fund the same people that are supposed to repair it huh?
How much do I pay for Government to NOT use my money, and waste on >>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh yeah, waste it on your second mention....MILITARY. Who declares wars? Corporations?
Nope. GOVERNMENT does. These arms manufacturers would be nowhere with GOVERNMENTS to squander taxpayer money on the next smartbomb......GOVERNMENT....again.

Why is government so wasteful? Like I said TWENTY TRILLION dollars....

But yeah, Verizon Wireless and Walmart are ruining us. Yep, it's the 'Rich'.

Bernie Sanders supporters almost ALWAYS ignore the Government aspect of why our standards of living go deeper and deeper into the hole, while neighborhoods and cities and states crumble, or why we don't see the end result.

Hell, I would RATHER our country run like a Corporation or business, because businesses are about making PROFIT

The U.S Government seems to be about taking revenue, squandering it on garbage, putting us all in debt, and then taxing us more to give them more to spend.

When does it end? How much more do we give them so they can blow it on "hookers and blow" (metaphorically). They rob us and move the goal posts with ever changing tax codes, regulations, until nobody can keep up.

TWENTY TRILLION....say it to yourself. My Grandchildren will be broke just by being born.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I agree, the Government who cannot Govern, 'oxymoron' Gov, is a farce. They spend everyones $ on War. A War nobody wants or needs. Why do they keep getting away with it? Because, the West has been invaded by people who hate Alpha Males, except of course if they're in Hollywood Movies, then it's OK.

Like the saying goes..

'Don't Steal, The Gov't hates Competition'.

The Solution? I'm afraid there isn't one, yet. Maybe Russia, and the few Men Left in the West, will be the example the west needs before it's drop kicked into oblivion.

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I agree, the Government who cannot Govern, 'oxymoron' Gov, is a farce. They spend everyones $ on War. A War nobody wants or needs. Why do they keep getting away with it? Because, the West has been invaded by people who hate Alpha Males, except of course if they're in Hollywood Movies, then it's OK.

Like the saying goes..

'Don't Steal, The Gov't hates Competition'.

The Solution? I'm afraid there isn't one, yet. Maybe Russia, and the few Men Left in the West, will be the example the west needs before it's drop kicked into oblivion.

And if there ever was a time where WAR is on our doorstep, it's NOW.

I was "Anti War" before, now this new threat pops up, so now we're in a world where a real threat is upon us, not Colin Powell shaking a vile of powder at the UN, or claims about "Yellow Cake". Now it's real...and now the Government is "vindicated' in military spending, so now they're going to go full bore with Military spending.

Awesome irony isn't it?

The thing I don't understand about Sanders supporters is that it seems they view Government as some benevolent older sibling watching out for all of us, when history and DATA show the exact opposite.

How is our current Government, to the tune of TWENTY TRILLION in the hole, benevolent? Why would you give all your cash to someone who is clearly a gambling addict and FORCES you at gun point to further their habits with OUR debt?

How is that not MALEVOLENT?

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Hell, I would RATHER our country run like a Corporation or business, because businesses are about making PROFIT

Oh there is a profit alright. It's just not one the people get a share in. Do you honestly think we'd stay at war if the people who profit from it were losing money in doing so??? The second war becomes a loss for them is the second the wars will end.

“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives… It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes… In World War 1, a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict… [and] at least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made.” ~ Smedley D. Butler, War Is a Racket

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
It's Americans duty to "raise the third world to a level" where they can compete with American workers.....to stifle American outsourcing.

Brilliant. Just.....brilliant.

Amazing stuff there.

I know, right?

Why the hell would anyone want to do that even if they could?!

Don't raise the bridge, lower the water!

Because one can do well with trading partners who have the money to buy our stuff and not living in squalor on slave wages, Japan and Germany and other places in Europe, case in point after WWII both nations were effectively reduced to 3rd world status but we helped raised them literally from the ashes where their economies are similar to ours and are strong allies, it is the opposite that fuels instability ,revolutions and war.

How and why do you think we helped them?

We destroyed their infrastructure in a war and helped them rebuild to rule their economy the way they wanted.

So how would you do it without burning down the house?

originally posted by: vjr1113

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: burgerbuddy

thats not at all what i said, that quote was a complete fabrication.

what i said is that its up to the Chinese to demand a better standard of living and better wages, its not our job, its theirs.

you can keep mocking misquotes all you want, its just strawmen.

I happen to have it on good authority, that china's economy has been smokin along for a few years at about 10% growth.

The USA has an anemic growth of 2-3% for about the same amount of time.

Believe me, chinese workers are not hurting.
In fact, the last time i was in Shanghai, they were riding bikes. That was about 10 yrs ago.

Now it's traffic jam city with nice high end cars, no $150 beaters.

You can't open a biz in china without a local for a partner at, I think, 51%.
So don't think companies are just moving in and hiring.

It's a huge process and the govt is all over it.

shanghai does not represent all of china

dubai does not represent all of UAE

mumbai does not represent all of india

and new york does not represent all of the US

I like data better than myths

notice how we can out produce the chinese but were still losing jobs to then because their labor is so cheap.

their cost of living is about half as ours, but they're getting paid about a tenth of what we earn.

Whatever.

well, what's bernie gonna do about it?

lol!

Anyway, the argument is useless in an imperfect world.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I know, yes. It's Chaos in it's entirety. The Irony is that the War is being played out in such a way as to undermine the average citizen into agreeing with societal norms.

The Art of War. It's ancient and it's being used against everyone as we speak. But only the few can see it. It's covert in it's nature as not to disturb the average human, for if the mass awoke to it, chaos would be the outcome. Not that chaos has not been ignited but that most of the planet can't see it, or grasp that it's occurring right in front of them.

Malevolent indeed, it is.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Crumbling infrastructure so more TAXES to fund the same people that are supposed to repair it huh?
How much do I pay for Government to NOT use my money, and waste on >>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh yeah, waste it on your second mention....MILITARY. Who declares wars? Corporations?
Nope. GOVERNMENT does. These arms manufacturers would be nowhere with GOVERNMENTS to squander taxpayer money on the next smartbomb......GOVERNMENT....again.

Why is government so wasteful? Like I said TWENTY TRILLION dollars....

But yeah, Verizon Wireless and Walmart are ruining us. Yep, it's the 'Rich'.

On whose behalf wars are declared??...when government become indistinguishable from corporations what is the name for that again??..I think it starts with the letter F, and how could this happen?? simple an over abundance of influence through patronage , the invasions of other nations for the financial interest of private corporations.
Banana Wars.
Origins:

Reasons for these conflicts were varied but largely economic in nature. The conflicts were called "Banana Wars", a term that arose from the connections between these interventions and the preservation of US commercial interests in the region.

Most prominently, the United Fruit Company had significant financial stakes in the production of bananas, tobacco, sugar cane, and various other products throughout the Caribbean, Central America and Northern South America. The US was also advancing its political interests, maintaining a sphere of influence and controlling the Panama Canal (opened 1914) which it had recently built and was important for global trade and projecting naval power.
en.wikipedia.org...

Today we have replaced the Banana wars with oil wars, we tolerate child labor and Blood diamond because it's cheap.
When Corporation simply buys govt , government doesn't work at least on the behalf on the common man,it works in favor of big corporations that's when waste fraud and abuse take place and most people losses, regulators are gone, quality of life for all but a few decline dramatically .

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
The thing I don't understand about Sanders supporters is that it seems they view Government as some benevolent older sibling watching out for all of us, when history and DATA show the exact opposite.

Really??? Is that what they think??? Funny how you know what other people are thinking and doing so clearly. Especially those who you also think are so delusional and you insult constantly while talking to. I repeat, I don't think you know what you think you know.

Could it possibly be that Sanders Supporters are voting for him, not because they think Gov. is Benevolent, but because Sanders is the one person who VOTED AGAINST THESE WARS and is against all those who have been profiting off of them both in the Gov. and in the private sector??? Has that ever crossed your mind before??? Or are you sticking with your lazy and simple theory that it's because they think Gov. is their friend???

Because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense they'd vote for the guy openly challenging the Establishment as part of his platform if they actually thought the establishment was Benevolent now does it??? That would kind be a conflict of interest wouldn't it???

So just maybe it's possible you don't have any idea at all what you're talking about. Because your theory about them supporting Sanders because they love the Gov. so much pretty much falls apart at even the most basic level.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Sanders Verses Trump, Lets Do This!


Lets not and say we did !