Ancient conspiracy: Tower of Babel

a reply to: areyousirius360

Omnipotent creator deities require 'troops' eh?

Certainly space capable or based, although perhaps not so omnipotent after all.

Using this view, 'the lord' is an ET, the city and tower are space port complex and space elevator / rocket launch facility.

Maybe they were lauching weapon satellites to 'protect themselves' and basically got their (and our) arse(s) handed to them for their efforts...the rest is designed to retard our technological ability, regress our civilisation and prevent us from repeating the whole space based weapons systems for 1000's of years, and remove all traces of our previous technological ability, perhaps during a long period of occupation...and here we are again.

Hell of a lot more logical than an airy-fairy supernatural entity 'somewhere up there'..imo of course.

a reply to: MysterX
It's cool, I am interested in any theory. Not so omnipotent indeed. A God afraid of skyscrapers, where is he now?

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a reply to: Shane
Do you have anything interesting to add or what? I have had an interesting and good time with this thread, many interesting topics were discussed you are the only one complaining. What did I make up exactly?

a reply to: areyousirius360

Very problematic indeed. Were they trying to unite all the differing cultures as a rebellion against Jehovah? The slaves had had enough of sacrificing and toiling for little reward. Like in Genesis again they paid the ultimate price

then...

Gen 11:6

The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.

There is power in numbers, Jehovah was truly worried

Gen 11:7

Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

Gen 11:8

So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.

As to the conspiracy? Maybe they were building a tower to assist in launching their own spaceship to the Heavens?

a reply to: the2ofusr1

What God did was turn away from the people ,divide them and work with a new group until a time He would turn back towards the people which is what happened when the Church was born and the Gospel went out to the gentile nations

Makes no sense as god kept working with the Hebrews after Babel when it suited "god"

a reply to: Raggedyman

They are baseless and invalid, take what is written and add assumption to justify your own beliefs

I am sure there is more to the Babel story
but what is written here, pure gnostic fantasy

And yet you don't see the clear connection of the Hebrews becoming monotheistic only after their captivity in Babylon?

a reply to: areyousirius360

Hint,

It was not about "height". If you want to build a tower to the sky you don't build it on a valley or plains.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLightAnd it is we who suffer. And are still, I a very real, metaphoric sense, trying to build that tower.

a reply to: infolurker
Uh, thank you? Had I thought it was a real tower to begin with I wouldn't be doing this right now. I am very aware that you can't build a tower to heaven. For that you use a ladder.

a reply to: Punisher75

Mankind is a prideful crowd.

I mean what threat exactly could a bunch of humans have really been to an Omnipotent omnipresent God?

2 points firstly man was made in gods image...so pride would be...pfft...what of it?

Secondly you have to ask yourself whether or not its metaphorical or literal, the attempt to reach heaven, the very act of such a project, would in the eyes of the builders have some chance of success. If it was known that "god came down in a spaceship" then the story makes sense. On the other hand if its metaphorical why even attempt a physical undertaking?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

OP writer Gnosisisfaith

nice is 369elyon

you've been hounding all his threads with the same story. Let it go

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLightWhat exactly is a Gnostic fantasy? Gnostic at its root means knowledge, so a knowledge fantasy is kind of like Einstein's theory of relativity. A fantasy that was knowledge. Do you know what Einstein's favorite book was? Isis Unveiled by H.P. Blavatsky, the Theosophist. Theo Sophist means something like God wisdom.

a reply to: areyousirius360

It was a observatory..............

The Tower is full of symbology. On one hand, it represents our desire to reach toward freedom and hope, but on the other hand, it restricts us and limits our movements. It confines us to one spot and no matter how tall we "build" that Tower, we are still confined to one spot and unable to move about and explore and our limitations become self-imposed.

We might acquire the knowledge, but we will not acquire the wisdom and understanding of how to use that knowledge with true freedom.

a reply to: kumiho

Like... with a telescope? That's not enough to threaten YHWH, make him descend to earth troops in tow, and employ the greatest divide and conquer strategy ever.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Oh Ktazysh0t! Look at you, bringing logic, reason and common sense to a biblical thread.

In all honest, being a trained linguist, yes - I completely agree with you and I also believe that language evolved (curse word?) alongside our own physical evolution.

From grunts and symbolic gestures to our languages today. And the fact that we were so spread over the earth, in different environments with very different settings, all lead to the diversity of human language.

One easy examples: why some cultures in the north have multiple words for "snow" and those elsewhere do no.

I do not believe any tower was constructed and a petulant, childish "God" got really p*ssed and sent humans about their way all speaking different languages.. Laughable.

a reply to: Punisher75

but it is wise to keep in mind that people at the time believed that God lived in the sky/clouds in a very real and very literal sense.
This is important because it does not show them as being a threat, but rather just stupid and prideful.

but rather just stupid and prideful.

Well where does one begin with this. Do you apply the same disparaging when looking at the "miracle" of the feeding of the multitudes with the fish and loaves?

Furthermore when Saul had his moment are we to say he erroneously believed god lived in the clouds as well? It was after all 1900 years ago. How about beliefs of where god dwelt in the 18th century?

What if god did live or fly in the clouds? Ezekiels chariot comes to mind

Acts 9:2

3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

a reply to: Punisher75

Because NASA is not trying to bust into Gods living room they are trying to explore space.

So was Heaven a physical place attainable by a tower or not? Where by the way is gods living room? You cant see how your logic is left wanting?