Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: Serdgiam

See, this is why I love hearing from all of you, because you all have different control systems, things that keep your worldview in alignment with your true self. So computers is about as alien as it gets for me, that and quantum thingimy physics stuff. You're saying some of us can hack into the fairy realm? And they can hack us if they need to, they're on a different bandwith? Hmm, I like that.

It seems true enough. But the exact mechanism---thats anybody's guess.

You can go all "quantum" if you want...but "quantum" when used by mystics just means "insert magic by another name here" so I avoid it nearly entirely, except mentioning it as concerns smoke, dead skin flakes and "free electrons" which may be partially shielded from decoherence in some cases.

I much prefer the dark energy/dark matter (dark plasma woo) and note that perhaps some dark plasma species may be able to control the Higgs Field (partly responsible for giving matter mass)
And this can sometimes "materialize".

In my opinion that is 90% of the answer to "UFOs" and other cryptoids.

Kev

a reply to: Serdgiam

I wish the boys at Boing and similar places would stop coating aircraft with radioactive paint. The 3d lamination with rare earths too.. Yah I know that supposedly stopped...but it hasn't.

It really annoys the "dark plasma" flora and fauna and then they come and complain to me, as I'm a shoulder to cry on.

The Idjits. They shouldn't be playing with fire.

But I'm not interested in this subject and have no intention of prying into anything confidential. I'm not saying another word.

Kev

a reply to: beansidhe

We can map(well photograph) them but they don't interfere with each other as they are 'different' wavelengths so just pass each other by. Only waves of the same length can affect each other but i can explain more off thread if you like but basically when the peaks and troughs of the same length meet they kind of cancel each other out and if a peak meets peak - bigger peak and vice versa.

link to some photos of our sun in different wavelengths with some explanation

So although we can, we also can't in the way i think you mean (more like the contours on a map showing where it flows rather than elevation?)

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I know you said you won't say.. .but define "annoy" if able, inclined?

We talking energetic interference or something else ...well, if there's truly anything else but energy and it's interplay .. .which I don't think there is, but you know what I mean... I hope...

it's sad to think of the myriad invisible co-inhabitants of Earth getting as screwed by the oblivious humans as the visible critters ...

sad is an understatement... I've tortured myself with imagining the concurrent human sourced suffering down here in a growing, fractal thought chain and blew a gasket when I got to a few imagined city blocks... that's how depressives 'amuse' themselves, btw.

a reply to: Baddogma

Making a map of energy patterns should be possible.

One can learn much about those patterns by simply observing nature. Take trees, for instance. They are naturally perfect conduits between earth and sky. If you simply watch a tree while attempting to be receptive, or while meditating with one as the focus, over time you can learn to see how they interact with the environment around them.

If you watch one long enough, eventually you'll see the energy field (or aura to use the popular new-agey term) they emanate and how it connects with everything around them. The sky makes a very good background for perceiving that sort of thing, and eventually you can learn to pick it out from other parts of the environment. The energy flowing through stuff like rocks and water is less obvious, so it's more difficult to pick up on than living things but it's still there.

Of course that all sounds like new-age hippy crap too, lol, but I think it's accurate anyway. Regardless of that, there are some new-age ideas that are simply repackaged old ideas given new fancy labels.

In general the way I know there's weird stuff, spirits and the like, around me is by picking out the presence of their auras. I don't usually see full blown apparition-type things, and more often than not I'll feel things even if I can't see them, but I'm certain it's something anyone can learn how to do.

If nothing else, it's easier to see stuff like that by using peripheral vision, either because of the way we evolved to notice signs of danger or the fact that the receptors there receive less direct sunlight over time and so are less damaged. Or perhaps both, but they're the best reasons for it I've been able to come up with.

a reply to: johnb
The 'throwing a couple stones in a pond and watching the waves interact' model of EM wavelengths is good to clue us laymen in with, I've found.

Are you saying you've been able to photograph these allegedly hidden energies? I've seen some different attempts, and remember the Kirlian kerfuffle, but.... ??

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Decoherence is a great film (the 2013 one)

And from the little i understand of the quantum universe it is indeed another word for magic.

As dark energy and dark matter are over 90% of the Universe they presumably have a far bigger influence on us and all matter than most think - not that many probably think about it.
So "dark plasma woo" would seem to be a key part of things and I'm sure you touched on "free electrons" a while back too.

Goes off to do some back reading.

a reply to: Rethaya

Very nice post.

Go up into the mountains and sit by trees next to a small river and the "negative ions" are most obvious.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

Lol.

Well the plastic coated rare earth composite stealth coating in particular experiences lamelar flow inconsistencies in flight and the radar diffraction suffers irregularities too.

Cause critters get caught in the works...the planes cause huge contrail wakes in the critters world and they don't like it.

But like I said...I'm not interested in this subject.

Kev

a reply to: Rethaya

Although I am, too, embarrassed by the hippy-dippy place these musings always end up at, I agree and have experienced all you wrote... except the more subtle water/rock energies, but am sure they are there, too.

I have communed with many a tree... not that I'd admit it in "real life" if you cornered me on the street... but if we're dropping our social defense mechanisms, then sure.

I have a tree in front of my house that I brought back from death with a bit of water when I moved in and I asked it, politely and mentally, to please grow away from the house so I wouldn't be forced to hack at it... and that one tree has never needed a trim and grows away from the house... despite the light being house ward in the mornings and other trees I never really talked to, yet close by, growing into the house and frequently needing trims.

So... yup.. .and even the materialistic science types I hang out with on occasion have commented on it's good behavior.

a reply to: Baddogma

No not at all I was purely meaning wavelengths of light but I completely forgot about everything Rethaya so eloquently explained when i was making my map contours analogy.
Energies/Auras are probably a much better reply to what Beansidhe was meaning than mine.

Some fantasy authors explain or describe this very well (Katherine Kerr's celtic based stuff i enjoyed) She would describe her character shifting his vision to the etheric and how he could then see how peoples, plants, animals and the landscape and atmospheric energies were all interacting on each other. I always imagine one of those swirly impressionist oil paintings as what it may look like (Van Gogh)

a reply to: johnb

No, I meant like an Ordnance Survey map.
Thanks for that link, it makes you realise that we don't really 'see' very much at all...

a reply to: Baddogma

There's 3 oak trees round my house and I always give each one of them a cuddle and tell them to be careful whenever a storm starts up. So far, no branches through the roof. Just that stupid owl, that's the problem. Thanks for the book reference, I've found him on Amazon. £999.11 for a new copy!! He must be good.

a reply to: Baddogma

There have been times where I'd do something similar with juniper or osage orange trees. They make very good material for walking sticks but I've always respectfully and politely tried to make sure they were okay with the idea first. Luckily I've never had to emulate Gandalf with one but they're practical in many ways. I went without a car for about 3 years at one point and while I won't quote Teddy Roosevelt no two-legged critters ever bothered me lol.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I much prefer the dark energy/dark matter (dark plasma woo) and note that perhaps some dark plasma species may be able to control the Higgs Field (partly responsible for giving matter mass) And this can sometimes "materialize".

If dark plasma woo makes up 90% of the universe like johnb says, then are we just wandering about with a torch light seeing only what's bang splat in front of our faces?

I went to the airport last night to drop someone off.

I had the strangest feeling/vibe. Dunno how to describe it other than a very ethereal, "belonging" vibe. Kind of like it was a place I spent a lot of time at already, or was natural in. Felt kind of "homey".

I don't travel heavily, so I'm not at the airport more than once a year.

Weird.

a reply to: beansidhe

Very true and our normal vision is only around 1% of the light spectrum and current theory is

The standard model of cosmology indicates that the total mass–energy of the universe contains 4.9% ordinary matter, 26.8% dark matter and 68.3% dark energy.[3][4] Thus, dark matter constitutes 84.5%[note 1] of total mass, while dark energy plus dark matter constitute 95.1% of total mass–energy content.

So we can only usually see 1% of 4.9% of the Universe which is 0.049%

If I was a critter roaming 95.1% of the Universe i'd sure be curious about our little bit. Also we mainly stay in our bit and don't interact directly with the dark part so maybe they think we are in some way elitist or they view us as many here view humanities so called 1%

a reply to: beansidhe

Actually..

It's far worse than John stated.

Only 4% of our Universe is "regular matter".
Not "dark".

On top of that of the 4% we can see on a daily basis...99% of that is plasma (stars etc).

I've been screaming this on ATS for over a year...yet everyone wants "aliens and UFOs".

They aren't around here.

Humans are beyond blind and ignorant.

We are poking into a small empty thimbol looking for aliens and UFOs while there is a hurricane of life larger than our Universe that nobody cares about.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

a reply to: johnb

#!!!

We are blind.

a reply to: MystikMushroom
Maybe it is the city?

I've been... uh, happy?... all week. No reason what so ever. Been laughing and making jokes. I've been very calm and relaxed. Somebody commented on how relaxed I looked the other day. Even the petty little annoyances from people at work haven't bothered me (normally I walk out the door muttering under my breath at the inconsiderate things people do at work). Not this week.

So maybe it is Anchortown itself giving out the hy-pro glow?

I'll do some random spot checks on people's mood to see if they have the same "sense" or feeling.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

We are poking into a small empty thimbol looking for aliens and UFOs while there is a hurricane of life larger than our Universe that nobody cares about.

So almost everything is outside our 'pothole' or 'thimble' it would be like hearing about this stuff called sand whilst in a box in the middle of the Sahara and looking inside the box never even thinking of looking outside the box. Of course even once you have the idea of looking outside you have to work out how to actually 'get out there' I've not found the door yet but meditation does seem to be a key part, bearing getting aligned in mind rather than any ascendant motives?