Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Serdgiam

Nice post.

Without breaking your nda can you say anything about the type of paid employment you do, and whether you get to research neat things...I don't like the folks who shroud themselves in a needless aura of mystery.

I'm trying my best not to do that.

For example I have no advanced degrees...much of my knowledge comes from 8 years as a nuclear engineroom supervisor in the US Navy. I have 25 years in IT in multiple areas. I own a small dot.com.

That's me...nothing too impressive.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There is no need to rush....
...we are not going anywhere anytime soon, we are hooked on this thread anyway : )

Oh and I would just like to say that I used expressions such as higher and lower or steps just mainly for the purpose of communication and do not mean good, better or bad or something as trivial.

There is no right or wrong sort order or advancement. If you think that, than ask yourself. who is "advancing"? who am I?

Just another my opinion ... to clarify a bit to put a better prospective on my post and from what standpoint I am asking those questions. These thoughts occurred to me during meditation and there were quite interesting ideas floating around. Also considering you mentioned Void Lords, which are also mentioned, I think in a book by Sadguru Shri Samarth Ramdas Swami Maharaj. And he mentioned a few interesting things about them and also what is "beyond" them...

a reply to: UniFinity

I have never read about "Void Lords". I have in fact only met one of them for certain, and possibly two in total. I'd say that one of the most worshipped "Gods" in this world is ultimately a Void Lord, from my own personal experience, but that's all I'm going to say on that topic.

I want to share information on basic topics, and not wave around something so controversial and not relevant to most people.

I basically don't read other people's twaddle for the most part.. it's the rarest thing in the entire world, to read something on a metaphysical subject and have it not be worse than not reading it at all.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

If I were someone interested in the subject of Kundalini and the Trickster and such, I'd go read it on a blog.

I'm not going to post even half of what I'm writing about here anymore, as I wish to retain ownership of certain material, at least for the time being.

Now if someone wished to insert content from an external source, within the limits of fair use and to discuss it, that would be up to them.

I'm not going to post like this again, so I recommend paying attention.

Got to run.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Serdgiam

So why do most older cultures acknowledge the trickster, while western civilization doesn't?

That's proof right there that we are a second class civilization...

We joke about Murphy's law but that's about it.

Kev

So, funny thing.. I wrote a reply to this, went to click post.. and apparently ATS decided to log me out, losing everything I had written.

It seems that individuals, and some groups, have almost come to embody archetypes (like the trickster) themselves. In other cultures, they were seen as obstacles, beneficiaries, etc., but they were seen as distinct systems/entities.

As we become increasingly hellbent on shoving everything in the universe into the human context and understanding, it seems that entities/systems that exist outside of it are items to either be assimilated internally, or dismissed. I think the advancement of our tools has many under the illusion that we have actually advanced. That ends up tying our identity to our tools. Instead of a connection to something "greater" than ourselves, we are confined entirely to something "lesser" (our tools/technology).

Perhaps this is just an evolution of these entities, in order to exert more influence and power while increasing obscurity and camouflage. Lack of mention in the cultural story may weaken them too, but I'm not sure that applies outside of human perception. I guess it could just be a form of equalization too. Being neither progress or regress, just maintaining.

Really though, I think that question could be a lengthy thread on its own.

a reply to: Serdgiam

I see you understand.

And you dodged my question.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Glad my breezy ignorance and general existence can be of service to someone other than the unseen puppet-masters who seem to use me as a general master of ceremonies so wonderful people can gather to realize simple obviousness they had been dancing around a long time... obviously, it's an obvious (to me) pattern... and also an obtuse, convoluted coy pattern, too (shakes fist at Trickster ... but can't pretend anger and laughs) .. .go figure.

Though I find it as amusing as everything else, I am gladdened and deeply moved to be a catalyst for a good person to get "gooder."

So.. .cool!

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBearSo why do most older cultures acknowledge the trickster, while western civilization doesn't?

Western civilization, such as it is, might be too tied up with our own tulpas/gods/egos/etc to bother noticing much else.

I think that, as societies switched from small hunter-gatherer groups to larger city-state affairs that some shamans must have been afraid of losing their place of importance in society, and so created the first religions. Perhaps it started out benign enough, but the other "gods" besides our kundalini-trickster, which may have started off as basic tulpas or ancestor spirits grew out of their control. Perhaps they started to enjoy their limited form of immortality and control, possibly without realizing it was an evolutionary dead-end for them.

In the absence of other forms of information, maybe the connection between minds the trickster utilized along with the small fraction of useful information people could get from her were more important, until it was overtaken by the importance of religion/mysticism. As our distractions multiplied, only a small part of humankind kept the old stories alive.

Of course she's taken whatever myriad names and forms necessary over time to serve her purposes, so it may not matter which stories stay with us and take prominence for any particular culture.

I may be wrong about all that, but I had been hoping a good opportunity to offer those ideas would appear.

a reply to: Serdgiam


Heh, the post of yours I'm responding to more eloquently expressed a shade/flavor of what I was attempting to say to KPB... or at least I can flatter myself that it is so.

Also of interest is the glitches and interference that frequently occur when delving into "spiritual nitty gritty" ... hard to say whether it's pure coincidence and ego saying 'some wizard behind the curtain is attempting obfuscation because I'm so close to realizing what's what and it will collapse the universe if I do' or actual frantic tricks by a flailing tulpa scared the jig is up... or something of both and bigger/weirder... not only hard to say, but silly to write!

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Serdgiam

Without breaking your nda can you say anything about the type of paid employment you do, and whether you get to research neat things...

There is really only one area that is sketchy, and that is more because not enough is known to determine much of anything.

The overall goal is to completely re-imagine as many technological systems as possible. The general approach is to look at what is done, rather than how it is done, and then optimize each piece. Seeing how this is not a static concept, the best designs are ones that can easily grow and change over time. Sometimes, this involves trying some very unknown, and occasionally dangerous, things! Our lab is relatively typical though, so not much in the way of ultra-exotic.. anything. I still think its cool though and the idea is decreasing complexity rather than increasing it.

Right now, one of the things I am working is an HVAC system. I'm using a BeagleBone core to process data to and from individual climate modules, so no central system. In general, I prefer decentralized systems. I focus heavily on using general algorithms that can be applied universally. Other than HVAC, there are also areas ranging from economic systems to home theater.

I don't have much in the way of qualifications either, though some of the people I work with do. I don't think it is an accurate indicator of capability, but I would think that, right? In some cases, it is invaluable to have the different perspectives though.

In so many ways, I try to look for analogies of what we work on today in cultures and belief systems of the past. That's why I'm so drawn to threads like this. Its this amazing collection of perspectives and information about perspectives of the past. We have so much to learn from each other, and threads like this allow it to happen throughout time. Both from us looking at the past and present, and for however long it remains accessible for those in the future.

You are certainly free to feel about me however you'd like. I don't think disliking someone precludes the ability to have good or interesting conversation.

a reply to: Baddogma

"Gooder"

Really I'm slightly embarrassed.

Its so hard to figure out the motives of "God, gods, fake gods, transgender demiurges...cosmic deceivers...good and bad mamma and pappas, space imps, tulpas,souls,group souls and residents of Overworld..not to mention "UFOs" plasma lifeforms" and all the rest.

But if at the end, a pattern emerges...and hopefully we "gooders" can figure out how to "work with nature" and not delude ourselves overly...I guess its miller time and call it a good days work.

I really like to develop positive information which can lead to real research and positive steps that make sense for humans too and not just "feeding the beast" as if we are plugged into the matrix.

I truly believe all this stuff can be mutually beneficial for all parties involved..but this is "Not your Momma's Spirituality"---that's for sure.

There---thats a great name for a book!

Kev

a reply to: Serdgiam

In no way do I dislike you...why would you think that?

If anything I'm probably checking files out of your unconscious data library without realizing it.

Does your boss know that you are summoning ancient Sumerian God archetypes to optimize people's home HVAC units?

Kev

a reply to: Rethaya

Sounds brilliant to me.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

Each situation might be a bit of any one of those! Then again, it all might just be to eff with us with no higher purpose, or concern. There is also the possibility that if we REALLY figure something out, a hand materializes to give us a universal high five, followed by a voice asking "now what?"

In a way, it almost seems like all of this is here to explore and make realizations and discoveries. Fraught with both danger and prizes. Or something like that.

That drive to explore seems so very human to me, maybe it is part of a symbiotic relationship with something that wants to be explored just as much as we want to explore it. All the trappings would just be part of the story and, in some cases, adventure.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Serdgiam

In no way do I dislike you...why would you think that?

Well, that would be the "worst case" result of the uncertainty implied when you said:

"I don't like the folks who shroud themselves in a needless aura of mystery.

I'm trying my best not to do that."

I don't feel I do that, but others may perceive it differently.

If anything I'm probably checking files out of your unconscious data library without realizing it.

Anything good?

Does your boss know that you are summoning ancient Sumerian God archetypes to optimize people's home HVAC units?

Probably not, but I'm not aware of it either!

Would you mind expanding?

a reply to: Serdgiam

T E A S I N G.

Your brain seems to work similar to mine...what's not to like?

Kev

a reply to: Serdgiam

Just popping in to express my adoration for the current conversation and conversationalists, and also to say (oh my god, I'm doing it again, I can't stop) that in the Celtic stories (sorry, I am aware of this affliction) that this is pretty much expressed throughout:

That drive to explore seems so very human to me, maybe it is part of a symbiotic relationship with something that wants to be explored just as much as we want to explore it. All the trappings would just be part of the story and, in some cases, adventure.

So, with the Selkies (seal folk) for example, they want to explore us and our world as much as we are fascinated by them. The fairies only lure you with music because they want you to come into their realm and so on. So yes, I agree that there is a dance, it's not just one way on our part.

a reply to: beansidhe

And the current 'conversators' (and bystanders.. .and likely unknowing folks that will someday blunder into your universe) adore you right back and then some...

that affliction of yours has offered up some "Hmmmmm..." worthy moments, fer sure! What I mean to say is that you have more a right to a front seat in the discussion than I do and offer incredible insights... so thanks, and adore ya back.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, crap..

I was hoping you were going to tell me about the Sumerian God who "makes things super cool and work good."

I'm a little disappointed.

a reply to: beansidhe

Please pop in more frequently. And adoration flows in both directions.

Kev