Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Rethaya

Indeed.

Kev

a reply to: Skid Mark

I don't remember that name, so I probably came across someone's borrowed version of that idea, if it was originally his.

Now I have another name to add to my list of authors I should check out. From the brief wiki article I just read, it seems he was a fascinating individual, so thank you for pointing him out. I'll add him to my mental list of things mentioned here alongside Steve Taylor and Gopi Krishna.

It's been awhile since I branched out from standard fiction anyway, aside from Jung's Red Book.

originally posted by: Rethaya
a reply to: Skid Mark

I don't remember that name, so I probably came across someone's borrowed version of that idea, if it was originally his.

Now I have another name to add to my list of authors I should check out. From the brief wiki article I just read, it seems he was a fascinating individual, so thank you for pointing him out. I'll add him to my mental list of things mentioned here alongside Steve Taylor and Gopi Krishna.

It's been awhile since I branched out from standard fiction anyway, aside from Jung's Red Book.

I take it that you read "the fall"?

What did you think of it?

As for Gopi Krishna...he doesn't "reveal very much" at all about Kundalini. I read all his rare books. Did you read many of them? Impressions?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I haven't read either yet actually. I'm just forming a small list for now based on what comes up in this thread.

It's extremely rare that I buy anything for myself but I like collecting books during tax season, so I'll get them soon enough anyway and let you know what I think. Even if Krishna's books don't have much useful info in them I'd like to grab some of them, and The Fall sounded like a good recommendation when I first noticed you mention it.

a reply to: Rethaya

The Fall is first rate.

Gopi Krishnas first book is very good. In fact many of his books are good. But you will read mostly about religion and evolution and almost nothing about "Kundalini" itself.

That knowledge is considered too dangerous to share by most (knowledgeable) writers. Such knowledge is nearly lost entirely.

Kev

Not Iraq but in Iran you have Zoroastrianism
wiki link but plenty more info out there.

I am enjoying 'The Fall' and it makes a lot of sense so far.

Re the sky and stars - I can see why they are useful for travel etc (in fact I LOVE to drive at night with the roof down, as you can see the direction you are travelling - unfortunately my roof has been broken for a couple of years now and can't afford the fix) but how much of an effect do they have on us and if they do by what means?
Is it EM/vibrational, gravitational or one of the 'spooky entanglements' of QM?

For Qm stuff i quite like Quanta magazine some very interesting articles/studies there.

John

a reply to: Baddogma

nice thoughts!

Yes, I think it is advised to throw away any bias if one want to learn properly. Drop it all. And also don't stick to any religion or philosophy or technique to much. Try to use all information available to you and consider every opinion. Well this is how I do it and this is exactly why I like to bother Kev and other people who have experiences, with a lot of questions. But do not believe their answer or take it for granted, stay open and rather try it yourself. Find your own truth by experiance. Don't let blind faith cloud your mind. This is poison!

My way is that I usually try to find a few real old saints in some religion and study their teachings. This way you can get direct knowledge from a realized master. And in Buddhism or Zen you have lots of them to choose from, even today there are a few, but are not much in public.

But it goes for Zen or Buddhism that in modern times "philosophy" has been adapted to suit us/westerners and not the truth. So it is advised in my opinion, to search for old saints and books. To get somehow real prospective about things and various expressions.

Oh also another good site, for meditation. The authors of texts in here are in my opinion very high level. Higher than most teachers of meditation in modern world in my opinion. there is also info about kundalini in there and how to deal with it.

www.meditationexpert.com...

But again, try to learn to absorb anything without bias and let the experiences do the talking.

Oh and also I would like to share another video about Mahamudra and their teachings. For me this lecture was immensely helpful with a lot of different insights and is one of the best videos on meditation for me on youtube. There are I think 4 parts in all and I recommend every one...but they are looong, but very simple to understand so take it easy : )



I have mentioned Mahamudra a few times now in my posts. This is becouse in my opinion, they have preserved original teachings as pure as we can get them today. So if you wanna try learning about your Self with the help of Buddhism and start with correct meditation. You could start with that in my opinion.

And another interesting videos about brain and body science and buddhism or meditation - the responses and scientific research of the brain and body reactions is explained here to some level. You can get a prospective about what is happening to our physical bodies in meditation or when self-realization happens or with kundalini, etc..they have a lot of it covered... Also has a few parts...long watch.



Also if you or any others have any questions, please just ask away and I/we will do our best to answer : )

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But what is the story?

Why does the pig Chase?

Oh sorry, I see what you mean. Boars being hunted are everywhere in Celtic literature and on their coins.



In the Welsh story of Twrch, he is being hunted and chased as he has the comb and scissors hidden in his hair, that are needed to cut the hair (and destroy) the giant-king Ysbaddaden Pencawr. The pig is the one being chased in the stories; there's a fairly similar account for Cu Chulainn too in the Irish cycles.

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: Rethaya
I read something like that, too. It was something about oral history vs written. I believe Vine Deloria, jr. wrote something about it in one of his books but I'm not sure.

He might have been referring to Caesar's account of the Druids ( Ch 14)

(The Druids) are said there to learn by heart a great number of verses; accordingly some remain in the course of training twenty years. Nor do they regard it lawful to commit these to writing, though in almost all other matters, in their public and private transactions, they use Greek characters.
That practice they seem to me to have adopted for two reasons; because they neither desire their doctrines to be divulged among the mass of the people, nor those who learn, to devote themselves the less to the efforts of memory, relying on writing; since it generally occurs to most men, that, in their dependence on writing, they relax their diligence in learning thoroughly, and their employment of the memory.

The Gallic Wars

a reply to: beansidhe

Right well anyway he was there, the pig, this very morning directly above the point of Sunrise, this is obviously his preferred season and so he will be exerting influence.



That relationship to the intersection point of the ecliptic and Galactic plane is best seen at the Winter solstice in Scorpio, he'll be seen to be lurking in the vicinity because that's were he sources his supply of magical energy, the whole Mayan 2012 thing was of course about that intersection point at the solstice, but it does only shift one degree every 72 years, been thereabouts for about 25 years, and it will take time for the pig to feed any particularly special magical effects into the greater system i should imagine, they'd be needing to grow.



I suppose then the added ingredient is the Sun, mixed with Antares shaken well and stirred.


a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The Sumerians liked to record their mythology and valued ancient sources, they didn't exactly make it easy to understand at all levels, but at face value they were generally entertaining stories if a little absurd, it was the same with the Greeks of course later, but like the Celts they were always raising the bar when it came to being able to understand their stories, they prided themselves on the ability, so in the end you're left with the latest recorded versions of say Celtic mythology which are seemingly utterly ridiculous, why nobody has made the movie The Chronicles of Ulster

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But what is the story?

Why does the pig Chase?

Oh sorry, I see what you mean. Boars being hunted are everywhere in Celtic literature and on their coins.

In the Welsh story of Twrch, he is being hunted and chased as he has the comb and scissors hidden in his hair, that are needed to cut the hair (and destroy) the giant-king Ysbaddaden Pencawr. The pig is the one being chased in the stories; there's a fairly similar account for Cu Chulainn too in the Irish cycles.

Ok.. you did say that. But if the pig is chased in a giant circle in the sky.. the round table and all that.. I don't see what that has to do with the shaman sitting at the center of it all.. with water being directed as appropriate for the tree.

I'm hoping Kantz will jump in here.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

"Orthotony"

www.ufocasebook.com...

"UFOs" travel in waves near specific lines. Supposedly a "failed theory".

Only that's exactly what "Junior" ( the "living" black triangle UFO that was chatting me up a couple years ago) was showing me.. that "he" "had to" fly in a specific arc. Now what this 'specific arc' had to do with the great circle of the "great pig" in the sky around the pole stars I have no idea.

It's still very strange to me,that I was driven out of spiritual circles and found myself drawn to strange topics like UFOs on ATS, and the UFO (the only one I've ever seen) feels compelled to talk to me about things relevant since the Neolithic.

It's no wonder that I don't believe in nuts and bolts UFOs when they want to chat me up about stuff that the Druids and Sumerians would have liked to discuss.

I'm nearly clueless about the bread crumb trail on this one..

Kev

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Ah cute, there's your Delphinus! And a diving Kelpie to boot. And agreed, there's always the Sun.



I would pay to see the Fenian Cycles, no question about it.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Water for the tree is the Sumerian version, the Great Bear as the Boar is the Celts'. We were wondering if there similarities between the stories, but not too much. I still don't thing Cernunnos fits as the Sumerian tree, for me he is Hercules (notice the bent legs and holding the snake to the right):





He was a horny, fertility guy and all about the summer:



So two different stories, same stars. Pretty much sums up most of human life, I would say.

Kev,

Maybe 'certain arcs' are the path/roads through the skies and to leave them is to risk getting lost or 'interfered' with by other entities.
Roads have often been seen as safe places and in ancient times were often patrolled for travellers safety.

Is there any mention of Sumerian's keeping the roads/paths safe, be those the physical or the 'spiritual' paths we delve in and out of?

On the boar (I just had an amazing boar and chorizo burger from a nearby hostelry ) being chased around the tree - boars tend to forage around the roots of trees for fallen fruit and nuts - this turns the earth the tree sits in, as well as probably dropping some fertiliser.
By turning the ground it encourages fungal and microbial action which in turn strengthens the roots and water/nutrient supply so if I was a tree i would definitely want some members of the boar family to visit regularly - historically in the UK at least, commoners were encouraged to turn out their pig stocks around autumn(fall) for this very reason. It would also transfer the trees seeds to different areas raising the chances of more trees growing and expanding their area.

Did your friendly UFO seem to want to just hang out and chat or did it seem to want info from you or to share info?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

No doubt that is curious and indicative of the more "spirity" or "multi-dimensional" aspects of many ufo reports... which I still assert could be a separate issue from super scientists and a secret space program gone rogue... or as separate as something can be in a meta/connected multiverse, anyway.

"Why the polar stars?" I leave at the feet of the expert(s) who happen to be gracing this thread, as I have no faint clue, no matter how much astronomy and mythology I dredge up.

Any more particulars about the conversation with the bbt that might nudge towards context?

a reply to: beansidhe

Well... one half of human life, anyway! And look at that wee 'lil pee-pee on the chalk 'giant'... he thinks he's a man, awwwwww!

a reply to: beansidhe

Thanks for that.

But for me, the big light on was the fact that viewing the sky helps put one in a nonverbal / liminal state and then the cultural stories embedded in the constellations interact with you....

That's the "magic" to me.

But if we don't understand the stories then we have nothing. Its been too long in many cases.

I guess I will stop wondering about this topic for the most part, unless you guys decipher more.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

I remember the entire conversation. It was a strange one. Will post later I guess. Maybe as a blog.

a reply to: Baddogma

"Everything is real"; in a manner of speaking...it's more a matter of which pothole than "if".