Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Kantzveldt

That line about the goat-fish rescuing the sun from the "wintery waters". Very interesting.


In Kundalini lore, there might be a correspondence.

Though Kundalini is considered to be the "female power", there is a little known fact about "Her". Within all her power (and quite frankly BS / delusion / illusion) there is a little dot of the "restlessness", the "male essence". Some would say that "Kundalni represents the moon, and the "male power" the sun.

But anyway.. I know you aren't much for inner alchemy.. but for others who might be interested.. the "Light in the head" which is physically related to the upper nectar cycle is related to the "male essence" and in effect is "calling out to" both the "female essence" at the base of the spine, and the dot of male essence "trapped" in "matter".

The "birth of the child" so to speak, is merely the radiance and sloughing off of the golden layer from around the "male seed", and it is this seed which becomes "born" / "freed". The "female" would be "freed" in a manner of course, but it seems almost like death in childbirth

Maybe you'd call this the freeing of Andromeda, I don't know. I'm not the full-time mythologist.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Everybody seems to like the deer and it's symbolism has never been seen as threatening, unlike the goat which became seen as the very Devil, it could represent dangerous dabbling with herbs and i guess secret gatherings to partake in such, but all said and done it was just about the close relationship of herblore to shamanic practise.

The Scythian representations are close to the Sumerian.





I do tend to balance the esoteric with the exoteric, i enjoy looking at gold artifacts as much as the inner alchemy of gold production, all the same to me really.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Your hats rock, but for Bronze Age hats the only one I'd be rocking is the astronomical Golden Hat:



Mmmm. Imagine swanning into the pub with that beauty on in Glasgow.

Here's a similar horny man for you, probably directly from the Scythians no less, our own Celtic boy Cernunnos, from the Gundestrup cauldron.



Horns, snakes, stags and just maybe even one of your panthers in the top right, now that I'm looking at it again.

a reply to: beansidhe

Kundalini sickness is a huge new fad, as people are blowing themselves up with increasing frequency.

It's called Kundalini Psychosis.. or Qui Gong Psychosis.. or "spiritual crisis".. or "dark night of the soul" or all sorts of things.. it's been around for as long as there have been humans.

However people who decide to "unfold" slowly and gently are not likely to go through it.

And in fact there are many schools of thought which say that "Kundalini" is mostly the symptoms of "doing it wrong", which I can understand that point of view.

A healthy and well-adjusted "Kundalini" is a gentle stream kissing all the body tissues and the brain, not all this melodrama.
(I'm experiencing it right now actually..)

But the only known ways to 'waken Her" with any rapidity, cause all the negative side effects.
You know.. like mad monks and the like.. who do horrible things to themselves to "find God".

If done slowly and lovingly and with support.. it needn't be that way.

But She is a wild animal.. not tame.

And humans are so impatient and hurting... they yank on Her Veil, and then complain when it doesn't go well.

Kev

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Beautiful.

But i'd say that herbs unlock some of those pathways the same as voluntary control of involuntary processes does (i.e "Yoga").

There certainly are pseudo-hormonal compounds in nature, as well as those psychodelics to loosen up personality constraints.. Iv'e never done the herb thing though.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But She is a wild animal.. not tame. And humans are so impatient and hurting... they yank on Her Veil, and then complain when it doesn't go well.

You really have got a lovely way with imagery, I like your writing.

Kundalini sickness is a huge new fad, as people are blowing themselves up with increasing frequency.

Oh, I see, thank you. It'll probably reach here in a decade or so - we're a bit behind.
I asked Baddog about Reiki - is it the same idea?

a reply to: beansidhe

Do the Celts do the Lingham-Yoni thing much? (I.E phallic symbols). Also that "hat" reminds me of what are called something like "stele" - I'm not remembering the name right now. but they look exactly like that hat, but are part of buildings. Supposedly they draw down divine forces.

I'm thinking that antlers are supposed to "draw down divine forces" as well.. but that's just a guess.

Now I know you don't like others playing with your mythology.. by being "in common" but it seems there is plenty in common.

Why are Scots, etc. so "Insular" with their mythology?

Kev

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But She is a wild animal.. not tame. And humans are so impatient and hurting... they yank on Her Veil, and then complain when it doesn't go well.

You really have got a lovely way with imagery, I like your writing.

Kundalini sickness is a huge new fad, as people are blowing themselves up with increasing frequency.

Oh, I see, thank you. It'll probably reach here in a decade or so - we're a bit behind.

I asked Baddog about Reiki - is it the same idea?

Naw, Reiki (according to me) is just new age twaddle..

Oh sure, it might be tapping a little Kundalini.. but it's pure ignorance.

Miss Doe with Cosmic Eyes doesn't approve of humans yanking on her Piddle and trying to do stupid pet tricks with it. Only those who love Her, and who She loves, have any hope of borrowing some of her Love on occasion.. and really.. it's probably her idea anyway.

As for my writing?

Kundalini as I said is also called "Vak or Vakti goddess of speech". One of the first signs of Her doing her thing, is literary and verbal side effects.. usually involving imagery and poetry. It's a fringe benefit.. I never had it before.

When she first did her thing, I watched which brain centers she was using.. and it was definitely adjacent to Wernick's area.

That Wernick's area thing, is in part due to how you have to modify certain areas with meditations to make a home for Her.. at least if you follow the ancient BS method of using "chakras". What's really happening is an easily explained neurological thing.

Anyway.. more than you wanted to know.

Kev

a reply to: beansidhe

I think those lack a certain something in the style department personally but certainly they make a statement. The shamanic stag motif is also found in Harappan culture dating back as far as 2,500 BC, I think it was common to all Indo-European people even long preceding that date.

The thing with the Sumerians was that they had all those early symbolic associations and you can trace them to the relevant constellations and understand their meaning and context from the texts, so for example that boar also seen on the cauldron and a very important symbol for the Celts they associated with the constellation Delphinus, as a swine, and the cult of the Divine child Damu.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Because we're dour, miserable bastards with a huge chip on our shoulders.

Scots et al are insular in our mythology really because we live on an island. For a large proportion of time, people stayed where they were born - ok, we had the odd Phoenician sailing up the coast in the early days, but pretty much people stayed put.
You're right, there's tonnes in common probably because the Scythians came over to Ireland around 4000 years ago. You can see in the cauldron how the stories have come over with them.

The early Neolithic 'Scots' (Picts really) and the early Irish were very fond of symbolism as you can see from the cairns (mounds) surrounded by moats.

Here's the Lia Fail at Tara, the Stone of Destiny (Irish):



And Knowth,Ireland, at Winter solstice. You can see how the sun's ray enters the passge and hits the back wall to illuminate the spirals on the back stone on exactly this day.







Make of that what you will.

a reply to: beansidhe
Uh-huh... "hat" ... rrrrrriiiiiiighhhht...

Sigh, the downside of honoring the Goddess.. . turgid 'phallusi' freakin' everywhere, with her.

Oh well, I'll deal... better than the male aspects running rampant for another eon.

And Reich stuff is likely circling Eastern bio-energy from another direction ... but with even more sexing up... my hands heated up with no swelling in other areas, should the question erm, "arise."

a reply to: beansidhe

It's a real pleasure to learn your stories.

Thanks

Kev

a reply to: Kantzveldt

What nonsense, with an additional black veil and some added bells I think I would look quite splendid. I'm sure you wouldn't be embarrassed in the least to join me for a pint.

Now that is something, I have never been able to find a place for the boar in the constellations. Considering there are so many Welsh stories about boars, it had to fit something. That was Delphinus, wow. Much obliged to you for that one, I've got some Delphinus reading to do.

a reply to: Baddogma

;-)

My opinion is that the "seed of Kundalini" in everyone, is either directly or indirectly powering all the High Strangeness in us God making machines;

I've never found any value in chasing around "inner airs" or Vayus or "Prana" and Apana" and all that.

But maybe in other systems they make good use out of it.

I just know that what I did works.

I'm a pragmatist.

It's really easy to get lost in excessive details and delusions of details.

Kev

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Strangely Kandt, I independently wear nearly identical attire for my forays to local nightclubs... just with a couple more glow-sticks.

Gotta love the Scythians... actually, from the accounts, you really had to love 'em or watch your headless body recede from a twirling vantage point...

but then, the Greek/Romans slandered all.

Cool, cool pieces, though.. .thanks.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I would guess the same... I seemed to have an almost instinctual grasp on how to raise energy and use it... the highly complex (and gravely mistranslated) Kundalini operations floating around the occult/yogic worlds struck me as unnecessary bells and whistles... just as my own candle/made-up glyph I improvised made quite a potent spell.

It's likely innate ... and later buried as the complexities of life pile on... so these methods are likely tools to remember that knowledge, or I'm making excuses to remain ignorant and lazy.... though it could be both.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: beansidhe
Uh-huh... "hat" ... rrrrrriiiiiiighhhht...

Sigh, the downside of honoring the Goddess.. . turgid 'phallusi' freakin' everywhere, with her.

Oh well, I'll deal... better than the male aspects running rampant for another eon.

And Reich stuff is likely circling Eastern bio-energy from another direction ... but with even more sexing up... my hands heated up with no swelling in other areas, should the question erm, "arise."

Well actually in the old stories, supposedly the "process" can eventually reprogram the human body sufficiently, that turgidity is lost.. even production of male "seed" is supposedly lost.. due to a co-option of a natural system for another purpose. In fact this is considered "what is supposed to happen" and in India "Brahmacharya's" are considered holy men, just for that reason.

That is the real reason behind "celibacy" in religion. Isn't it amazing how degraded down to less than 1% certain modern religions are? They don't even understand who they are, and why they do what they do. Sad.

Anyway.. there is some disagreement about the viability and sustainability of this configuration.

A lot of men must claim this "holy status", but I bet most of them sneak out of the teep pee to find "miss doe eyed beauty" every now and then.

I think it's unnatural to totally remove that from one's life.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

No, not at all more than I wanted to know, thank you very much for sharing that.

Naw, Reiki (according to me) is just new age twaddle.. Oh sure, it might be tapping a little Kundalini.. but it's pure ignorance.

I always suspected as much.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I would guess the same... I seemed to have an almost instinctual grasp on how to raise energy and use it... the highly complex (and gravely mistranslated) Kundalini operations floating around the occult/yogic worlds struck me as unnecessary bells and whistles... just as my own candle/made-up glyph I improvised made quite a potent spell.

It's likely innate ... and later buried as the complexities of life pile on... so these methods are likely tools to remember that knowledge, or I'm making excuses to remain ignorant and lazy.... though it could be both.

We crap up our minds and bodies with our destroyed culture and destroyed world.

But yes, I believe that innately, all the circuits are still there for everyone.

Spiritual practices just reverse damage; they don't "evolve a person" particularly.

Kev

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: beansidhe
Uh-huh... "hat" ... rrrrrriiiiiiighhhht...

Sigh, the downside of honoring the Goddess.. . turgid 'phallusi' freakin' everywhere, with her.

Oh well, I'll deal... better than the male aspects running rampant for another eon.

And Reich stuff is likely circling Eastern bio-energy from another direction ... but with even more sexing up... my hands heated up with no swelling in other areas, should the question erm, "arise."

Thank you for that additional information, I'll just go and wash my eyes.