Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Baddogma

You believe that they experienced *something*.
Just like you believe me that I experienced *something*.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

Interesting to read what transpired. I found it a little awkward the way people asked him to take them with him
I watched the thread with some interest back in the day, and then reread it recently twice with people bringing it up in the last couple of weeks (yourself included), call that serendipity. I also made my husband read it out to me tonight, out loud so I could hear it verbally, and that is what solidified as a story for me. It also solidified a near divorce as he couldn't believe I made him read it.

That said, I'm no Forever Man, so had no messages of 'you'll see this at this date'. I personally think the power of suggestion (bit like a psychic) makes you see or experience that which is predicted. You "look for it" We make the story fit the prediction, it happens all the time.

I'll let you in on a wee secret, Sometimes I choose to answer the questions (live) as dream weaver, meaning I am a creator/I pose new questions.
So does that make me a forever man ? the obvious glaring fact for me is, you are a Dream Weaver at times too, We all are....

Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the 'We Hoover up your dreams' story, but that's all I can call it, and I have no problem with anyone believing it. People can believe what they want, TBH, I'm too lazy to hugely invest my time in convincing anyone otherwise


ETA:
I'll let you in on another wee secret, He talks about 'our ships have FTLs'.
We will never travel via an FTL craft, we may be close-ish to finding another way to travel yes, but not via speed, speed will have little to do with getting from A to ZZ.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You believe that they experienced *something*. Just like you believe me that I experienced *something*.

Yes, to be veeeeery clear...

I believe, after careful consideration and my best guesses based on the reporter's long term temperament, demeanor and writing/ responses, that those witnesses experienced *something* as they reported it .. . I don't know for sure, but it's a guess based on many different observations of their behavior.

And to be clear, the actual origin/identities of the clean suited guys, origin/nature of strange air tech seen, origin/nature of astr0's reported knowledge of private lives and origin/nature of a phrase that unlocked a floods of memories confirming the source's wild assertions are all unknown and very well could be something spooky, rather than human and techy.. . and perhaps even a total fabrication as I am not infallible... absolutely.

It could be many things... but yeah, I believe they experienced something that supported the narrative, thus indicating secret scientists, government spooks or another group acting in concert, magician(s), plasma-esque spooks/aliens/spirits, or something else I just cannot guess.

All those possibilities are worthy of note, however.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Yeah, makes sense.

I wish on most days I could dismiss the ridiculous, ludicrous claims.. .they make no sense with the few tidbits offered and fly against things in the common knowledge realm I believe as well as going against things in the occult world I've deeply suspected... so a double whammy... it's just that those few witnesses/proponents made for some very compelling testimony, obviously.

I was also primed for it hearing about a secret space program my whole adult life from people I knew when young who had certain careers, as well as reading about it in the common ufo books... though it mainly involved travel using an Orion type craft and no dream reaping or older human civilizations were mentioned... but the kernel of belief was there.

Fence sitting I shall remain ... strange thing about info is we really cannot be sure (really really sure, I mean, in a head in a vat sense) about too much, but it is an interesting mind*&%k.

And certainly makes me write on about it... heh.

a reply to: Baddogma

What are your thoughts about my BTUFO experience?

I've asked most of the pro Astr0 crowd about it over the past several years and none of them want to comment..which I have found bizarre.

I'd be happy to discuss anyone's "Plasma" experience.

Kev

a reply to: [post=20649733]KellyPrettyBear[/post

Your take that it was a shape shifting 'plasma' animal makes perfect sense. And many, many ufo accounts contain the mention that they thought it was somehow alive, communicating and not necessarily a machine... as far as I can remember from the several thousand reports I've read, perhaps the majority report that perceived sentience.. .thus why I give your take the time of day!

And, as I've said, it also doesn't preclude the possibility it was an advanced human machine with artificial intelligence and mind reading apparatus... but admit that out of those two possibilities, your educated guess is a better one than the astr0 bbt explanation in that I have more personal proof of spirits than I do for secret space scientists... and again, why I consider it.

Dunno tho.

a reply to: Baddogma

Fence sitting is fine, keep in mind, in truth we never fence sit.
You are a very active author of any narrative that comes across.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

True that... as long as that was an impersonal "you."

...although... why does my butt hurt?

a reply to: Baddogma

The fence is barbed wire...get off it. You / generally any of us.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sorry, if the following question bothers you, but I'd like to know, what did you do to "summon" it?
I mean if it is repeatable, that would give on demand research opportunities! Which would be huge!!!
While I am still uncertain what it is, but I mean that would at least be proof something is there.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
No mate.

Astr0 was one of the very best ever MAGICIANS ATS has ever seen.

What's in a name? Best, however, would be debateable, possibly the most visibly effective though.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
He/She came up with total bull bollocks and convinced skeptics
that there was something true in an old tired science fiction
story.

I didn't really follow it or read it closely, I don't know the specific narrative he utilised so I am unable to judge.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
Shaman blather on about "spirits" not fictitious hidden global
space-faring civilizations.

Good grief, you sound like a 19th century Christian missionary suffering an over abundance of starch in his collar!

I intentionally used "shaman" in quotation marks, I was indicating that I was using it in the generic, rather than the archaic (or linguistic) meaning. I was in no way suggesting that Astr0 was of Siberian origin.



Shaman, clever-man/woman, magician, sorceror....or any of the other names that individual cultures have ascribed to that role within the community is irrelevant, it is the role itself and the purpose that that those roles serve to the community, that is hugely important. "Spirits" similarly, are the names that outsiders have given to the methodology due to the limits of comparable understanding from those outsiders perceiving it. This role was clearly a highly significant factor in our survival and success.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
You simply must keep your archetypes straight.

Deary me! My face is going to get very sore at this rate. You understand the role of adaptation, right?

a reply to: Anaana

Frankly, I mostly wanted to see you go into your carefully quoted responses in your typical pedantic style, to see if you would choose to be somewhat civil to me, as I'm giving the "high sign" that I want to be civil to you.

Your style is fascinating.. as you seem to wish to lead the other person down a very narrow cognitive / communicative tunnel, where of course your personal opinions (not facts) lay in wait. Now this is also fine.. rather like debate style.

Only at least myself, I seldom agree with your assumptions lining those tunnels, and seldom the opinions.

On the other hand, sometimes I do. And I enjoy your obvious intelligence.

Since we are in a chat forum, nothing is off-topic; I'm more interested in how your brain functions
than in anything you might say about the topics we discuss -- which if that annoys you, I do
beg your pardon. But I'd rather we learn to communicate properly --- as a task with a higher personal
priority, than any content you might discuss.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If I was a shaman, either failed or not...I would sign off all replies with "Sherman".

Then, if anyone called me out on my 'shaman' status, I would claim "auto correct".

(Now you know how MY brain functions, hehe...)

jacy

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sorry, if the following question bothers you, but I'd like to know, what did you do to "summon" it?
I mean if it is repeatable, that would give on demand research opportunities! Which would be huge!!!
While I am still uncertain what it is, but I mean that would at least be proof something is there.

Yes, indeed. I was discussing "summoning" technique with a staff member at experiencer.org...
just the other day. I was in fact invited to meet this person, but our schedules were not congruent.

Now I'm somewhat dubious that I can repeat the experience.. but it does seem worth a try.

However I'm fairly certain it would not work a second time, due to what I have been informally
calling the "zener card exhaustion effect".

What I've noticed / surmised at least, is that the goal of "the other" is not to EVER allow
"proof", but what "they want" is to form a permanent contact, which is a one time
thing.

So since I've "summoned a BTUFO", i'll never be able to do so again, at least with myself
as the only target, as "they" now have a permanent bond with me.. and that was their
only goal.

Now I know that there are repeat experiencers.. but I suspect that is a completely
different dynamic.. I believe that those repeat experiences are sometimes just
repeat abused (i won't allow myself to be abused) or they are simply "abusing
themselves" by "tugging on the leash", and thus think there are repeated
contacts.

Now, I was actually pondering starting a thread yesterday, to give the basic
instructions.. in the interests of science. However I do not wish to entangle
innocent (and probably mentally unstable people --- you almost have to be
mentally unstable to try such a thing) with misfortune.

There is a much deeper summoning method as well.

So I decided yesterday, that i'd have to meet in person and screen anyone
wanting to go down this road. If I'm going to do such a risky thing, at least
I can look the person in the eyes first. I don't want to do any such thing
flippantly.

Anyway... there you go.

Kev

originally posted by: jacygirl
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If I was a shaman, either failed or not...I would sign off all replies with "Sherman".

Then, if anyone called me out on my 'shaman' status, I would claim "auto correct".

(Now you know how MY brain functions, hehe...)

jacy

LOL!

Yes, you are "interesting" ...

As for being Sherman the Shaman, that I will never be.. as actually MysticMushroom correctly pointed out, a 'real' shaman is of necessity a 'cultural hero', and as I am not part of a culture, there is no way for me to be a hero to anyone.. and thus, by definition --- not a shaman.

Or a failed shaman if you will.

So I'm really just a crazy old man who plays at science and the interaction with 'spirits'.

Gosh.. wish there was a one word title to encapsulate all that which I could use.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

I've not really mentioned it much.. but I *did* have a "scouter" potential "plasma orb" show up in advance of the craft.. I just hadn't thought of it that way before. I'll have to post that to the Rendlesham thread..

as it DOES seem that there is a pattern (and patterns are in extreme short supply), that an "orb" or "orbs" how up in advance of a "BTUFO" appearance.

That would seem to indicate "planning" and not just a spurious response.

I have to run to work.. will expand upon more later.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Gosh.. wish there was a one word title to encapsulate all that which I could use.

BORED

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I starred that for cheekiness.

So why do you inflict boredom on yourself?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I don't inflict. Infliction is so martyr-like and not the new black.

One assumes all this inquiry, a component of the current human mind comes from alleviating boredom, after survival of course.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: jacygirl
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

If I was a shaman, either failed or not...I would sign off all replies with "Sherman".

Then, if anyone called me out on my 'shaman' status, I would claim "auto correct".

(Now you know how MY brain functions, hehe...)

jacy

LOL!

Yes, you are "interesting" ...

...Gosh.. wish there was a one word title to encapsulate all that which I could use.

Kev

There is. You just called me it, lol.

You are "interesting".

Let's both just go with 'interesting'. This guy's famous for it....can't be that bad!


Not Sherman