Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: zazzafrazz

a reply to: Baddogma

People on ATS and elsewhere always push for the explanation that makes them feel special.

Period.

The explanation could be anything.

That's why Astr0 has you by the balls. That narrative is one of the main things which makes you feel special.

Of course the same thing could be said regarding me and "sentient plasma".

Only I know it..and I don't care if all that plasma stuff turns out to be wrong..

At least then we would know what was not something to pursue..so we could try something else.

I feel very happy..regardless of what is true or not true.

The more you define yourself....the more you will suffer...

And sure...there could be some high tech in "all this". In fact, "space imps" probably started out flying around in nuts and bolts ships..8 billion years ago...

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmm, actually, my balls were one of the first things to make me feel special! Spooky (to keep up the "somewhat pervy" descriptor, heh).

But I have tried to make it clear that I have no preferences or "horse" in this "UFO answer race"... the validity of either hypothesis won't effect me either way, as far as I can tell. Actually, I've been hoping to have the breakaway civ stuff squashed, as it, in general, sucks.

But it's human to latch onto a narrative... less common, though, for a human to demand some "proof" of a pet narrative and to examine it in the harsh light of what approximates logical, rational thought for us humans... but that less common, more rational examination of the world is what gets me up most mornings...

and if a pet narrative makes one feel less like a no consequence ape thing or less like a cog in the vast machinery of society/universe (or less like some marginal basket case in anywhere/ anywhen) then great... perception is 95% of reality anyway, no harm- no foul... though how the breakaway narrative does that for me escapes me?

But belief systems and the relativity/fallibility of them are old hat to this non-consequential-ape-thing identifying as, among many other things, a marginal ex-junkie basket case.

So, here is a case where you are in error regarding me and the astr0 narrative... and my poor communication skills and harping on it make it my own dang fault...

but I'm not merely caught in a belief system that happened to add importance/meaning to a relatively empty life... rather, that's not ALL there is behind the interest (though most interest in anything, and especially uncommon things, has that aspect in the mix)!

I was mainly snagged by the supportive elements that held up when examined for what passes for rational thought and analysis.

This is an attempt to be clearer than is my norm.

But apologies if it felt like reopening a wound when your publishing should be celebrated! I hope you don't see it that way.

So congrats again... seriously good work and you can tell Steiger some of his sales are attributable directly to you... and that's all good.

a reply to: Baddogma

Good job on sticking up for yourself!

Really..I like it when you rise to this level of communication! Took long enough.

I love it when someone shows their inner working parts as part of their narrarive as well.

All that said..

The subjective "proof" that we both have experienced which we use to support our respective narratives are potentially "entrapping".

Caution is advisable.

By the way ixnay on the Steiger-nay.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sieoopnay on the ipslay... I get confused sometimes (and my pig Latin is likely ...er too Kosher!).

And I can bare my fangs and go primal when properly cornered... rarely necessary, though.

And as for that warning about tangling with the trickster... I always used to think the warnings about delving too deep into UFOs/supernatural were hyperbole to sell books and create an air of danger, i.e from Keel, Steiger, Shaver,Wilson.. .and even from more serious researchers like Vallee, Hynek, MacDonald and the Lorenzens, etc.

Maybe not.

And as an aside, or even perfectly on topic, I had a weird incident, again, yesterday afternoon, where I saw a streak of light from a seeming brilliant white "orb" that sped across an adjoining room.

Rationally, I ascribe it to a passing car catching the sun just so and reflecting directly into my eyes and having too much woo on the brain... but I've lived here for 16 years and never saw that before... and it left an afterimage of an arc across the upper area of the room, and I have trouble with the arc part of my explanation... sigh.

Just because spirits exist doesn't mean every ol' unusual thing is them ... so I keep telling myself, anyway.

Is Astr0 the Vacuum cleaner UFO dude?

a reply to: Baddogma

a reply to: zazzafrazz

There's a vacuum cleaner UFO dude?

Dunno... he did assert secret scientists using our collective dreams to compute larger problems, so if you mean "sucking up dreams" then yeah, that be he.

But now I wonder who you mean by 'vacuum cleaner UFO dude...' as in he sucks?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
You come across
like a cranky old man, waving a shotgun at kids to get off his lawn!

It has always struck me as singularly moronic why any one would waste precious soil, and energy, to grow a lawn. Unless you are providing feed and bedding to livestock, grass is a perfectly useless plant in isolation. As far as I have ever been able to ascertain the only legitimate reason for being so wasteful is so that kid's can play on it.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz


Is Astr0 the Vacuum cleaner UFO dude?

Is that something to do with Dyson sphere's?



I think AstrO is the one who is a successful "shaman".

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmm, actually, my balls were one of the first things to make me feel special!

Everything written below that sentence will probably not get read by me now.

Too busy mopping the tea and tears off my face...and monitor...and keyboard...and ferret.

jacy

originally posted by: Anaana

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
You come across
like a cranky old man, waving a shotgun at kids to get off his lawn!

It has always struck me as singularly moronic why any one would waste precious soil, and energy, to grow a lawn. Unless you are providing feed and bedding to livestock, grass is a perfectly useless plant in isolation. As far as I have ever been able to ascertain the only legitimate reason for being so wasteful is so that kid's can play on it.

We agree for once.

I just ripped out my front lawn and replaced it with zeroscape (pressed decorative concrete
and river rock). We are in a drought here. And frankly, both my wife and I are not the biggest
on children.. we decided not to have any... there are 6 billion too many humans on Earth as
it is.

originally posted by: Anaana

originally posted by: zazzafrazz


Is Astr0 the Vacuum cleaner UFO dude?

Is that something to do with Dyson sphere's?

I think AstrO is the one who is a successful "shaman".

No mate.

Astr0 was one of the very best ever MAGICIANS ATS has ever seen.
He/She came up with total bull bollocks and convinced skeptics
that there was something true in an old tired science fiction
story.

Shaman blather on about "spirits" not fictitious hidden global
space-faring civilizations.

You simply must keep your archetypes straight.

originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmm, actually, my balls were one of the first things to make me feel special!

Everything written below that sentence will probably not get read by me now.

Too busy mopping the tea and tears off my face...and monitor...and keyboard...and ferret.

jacy

It's almost as if the Universe knew you'd be returning to the thread.. where one of the first things
to "pop up" was an earnest discussion of BadDogma's balls.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz


Is Astr0 the Vacuum cleaner UFO dude?

a reply to: Baddogma

Crazy cat lady, you should keep that profile picture for a while.. I really like it.

I'm 100% totally crazed about kitties myself.. my wife and I both are crazy
cat people. But we don't have a kitty right now.. we are dying inside..

originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmm, actually, my balls were one of the first things to make me feel special!

Everything written below that sentence will probably not get read by me now.

Too busy mopping the tea and tears off my face...and monitor...and keyboard...and ferret.

jacy

Of course the reason you returned home to see that "treatment of BadDogmas's balls"
is that I came and found you and called you "flaming ferret wench".

That's how a failed shaman summons you.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmm, actually, my balls were one of the first things to make me feel special!

Everything written below that sentence will probably not get read by me now.

Too busy mopping the tea and tears off my face...and monitor...and keyboard...and ferret.

jacy

It's almost as if the Universe knew you'd be returning to the thread.. where one of the first things
to "pop up" was an earnest discussion of BadDogma's balls.

rofl...I actually came back because you left me some bread crumbs, hehe...
I had some weird woo-woo electronic stuff to tell Baddog and y'all about...but then, like deja vu (it's already happened earlier in this thread)...I was back in the boys' locker room.

After that "pop up"...I kinda lost my words for a while...
Now if only my mind would stop repeating "Baddogma balls" in my head maybe I could get past this!

jacy

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sieoopnay on the ipslay... I get confused sometimes (and my pig Latin is likely ...er too Kosher!).

And I can bare my fangs and go primal when properly cornered... rarely necessary, though.

And as for that warning about tangling with the trickster... I always used to think the warnings about delving too deep into UFOs/supernatural were hyperbole to sell books and create an air of danger, i.e from Keel, Steiger, Shaver,Wilson.. .and even from more serious researchers like Vallee, Hynek, MacDonald and the Lorenzens, etc.

Maybe not.

And as an aside, or even perfectly on topic, I had a weird incident, again, yesterday afternoon, where I saw a streak of light from a seeming brilliant white "orb" that sped across an adjoining room.

Rationally, I ascribe it to a passing car catching the sun just so and reflecting directly into my eyes and having too much woo on the brain... but I've lived here for 16 years and never saw that before... and it left an afterimage of an arc across the upper area of the room, and I have trouble with the arc part of my explanation... sigh.

Just because spirits exist doesn't mean every ol' unusual thing is them ... so I keep telling myself, anyway.

Well you'll be glad to hear..

On some manner or level anyway.. at least at one time.. I'd say that the 'space imps'
were definitely both organic/plasma hybrids (like humans) and flew around in space
ships until they had a 'singularity' and merged with space-nannite bodies..

frankly I'm not certain whether that's still what they are doing or not.. the difference
between 'magic' and 'technology' is purely philosophical.

And that other space-faring race "5 galaxies over" - I don't talk about them much..
But I could wonder if they are the race that spawned the "yellow emperor" stories..
which *yecch* makes me sound like I give credence to Ancient Aliens..which I do
NOT.

But that race at least appears to put on a visage that's vaguely asian.. which is
strange.. asian and sorta hunchbacked eastern european.. and they appear to
use technology.. but to also be rather "plasma" too. Maybe they are the last
major race in the Universe that hasn't fully gone "home" to the "Oververse"
which will keep on existing after this Universe dies from the big rip or
whatever.

So I'm not actually adverse to a place for technology.. but as far as I know..
what remnants of it might exist anywhere would be PFM.

I truly think that the Astr0 story is the purest bollocks I've ever heard... it
doesn't add up on 100 levels.. it's beyond ludicrous..

But as humans (in my view) *are* hooked up as computers for "tricksters"
(that's the 5% I once mentioned).. it seems to make the whole narrative
pure trickster bollocks. It's the one kernel of truth. That's why I feel so
strongly you've been had.

originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmm, actually, my balls were one of the first things to make me feel special!

Everything written below that sentence will probably not get read by me now.

Too busy mopping the tea and tears off my face...and monitor...and keyboard...and ferret.

jacy

It's almost as if the Universe knew you'd be returning to the thread.. where one of the first things
to "pop up" was an earnest discussion of BadDogma's balls.

rofl...I actually came back because you left me some bread crumbs, hehe...
I had some weird woo-woo electronic stuff to tell Baddog and y'all about...but then, like deja vu (it's already happened earlier in this thread)...I was back in the boys' locker room.

After that "pop up"...I kinda lost my words for a while...
Now if only my mind would stop repeating "Baddogma balls" in my head maybe I could get past this!

jacy

Well now we both know how to summon you ferret wench, and how to keep you speechless..
with "BadDogma's balls".

Who says magic doesn't work?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: jacygirl

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmm, actually, my balls were one of the first things to make me feel special!

Everything written below that sentence will probably not get read by me now.

Too busy mopping the tea and tears off my face...and monitor...and keyboard...and ferret.

jacy

It's almost as if the Universe knew you'd be returning to the thread.. where one of the first things
to "pop up" was an earnest discussion of BadDogma's balls.

rofl...I actually came back because you left me some bread crumbs, hehe...
I had some weird woo-woo electronic stuff to tell Baddog and y'all about...but then, like deja vu (it's already happened earlier in this thread)...I was back in the boys' locker room.

After that "pop up"...I kinda lost my words for a while...
Now if only my mind would stop repeating "Baddogma balls" in my head maybe I could get past this!

jacy

Well now we both know how to summon you ferret wench, and how to keep you speechless..
with "BadDogma's balls".

Who says magic doesn't work?

I believe in magic.
Happen to like being called "ferret wench"...it sounds edgy, lol.

Speechless...what can I say? haha...
I actually have the song, "Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?" stuck in my head.

Only in my head it's "Bad balls, bad balls..."
It's gonna be a long day.

jacy

a reply to: jacygirl

Well I love calling you that.. though your formal name is "flaming ferret wench"