Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I like it when we agree.

Spirituality is like working out at the gymn.
If you do the reps you might get some muscles.
It's not about getting an achievement star from
Some deity.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

The Frangipanis will come back

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
don't worry I can't get too excitable with just reading. : )

I will experiance someday the Kundalini and it's full ascent. And I had experienced it even now up to some point, but my experiences were a lot less traumatic for now and I wish they stay that way : )

But the stuff about the sex drive and a few other things you mentioned, I have experienced them also on some level.

oh and I hate hunting in any form and shape!

about the "the other". I have a very direct question and I don't mean to offend you in any way. You can even just say it is too silly to answer : )

I think that at some point you still will have to realize, who you are and who is "the other".
I mean there is no other, isn't that the whole point of final realization ... ?

But what I am talking about now is, probably "the final step".
...After one experiance "Atman" and can "stay with it".
And I think Kundalini has a lot to do with this. And is just the beginning of new learning lessons from different "prospective" or "reality", and I admit I don't know what that is and how it is experienced, and I can just imagine from what I read. From the books of past real saints, yogis and buddhists...

They mentioned there is one more realization - the final step - final complete absorption. But in a lot of times for this there still needs work to be done in some form or lessons to learn in some form.

I meant that but did not explain so directly....nothing about deities or hunting or anything else but only learning how to be "One"

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a reply to: UniFinity

Everything is already "one".

Spirituality is for the most part, a failed outcome, at least so far.

Spirituality evolved in humans as a result of egoic pain, caused by catastrophic cultural breakdown, mostly due to fighting over scarce resources.

Spirituality drives us to find the underpinnings behind "normal painful consciousness".

These "underpinnings" have their own evolutionary path, and don't exist to give fractured minds a supernatural paradise to which to flee.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Everything is already "one".

yes, it is, but we need to experiance this and merge with this experiance, I think?

oh and thanks for answering!

But with full respect, you don't get me, I think.... I don't need to flee anywhere if all is One, I would like to bring heaven from within to everyone around me. Because we are in heaven already, but most of the time it is hell...

I am talking about Samsara, Maya, Millisa and on the other hand Brahman, "the mind - from buddhisem", Paramatman, the Tao...

Well but here is the kicker, I don't know what I am talking about in reality. Because I have not experienced enough, but at the current moment this is my shallow understanding.

All this is just an opinion and I have a lot of them as you all can see in this thread, but the point is that Self realization is about learning what you are wrong about and I have no trouble with that, I am wrong all the time!

: )

a reply to: UniFinity

Well I starred that response.

In my experience, the boundaries may definitely be pushed.

But nobody credible has ever said, that the universal goal in life for sentient beings is to expand their awareness.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I am nobody and I have no body.

well I don't deny it, but it is not mine. Everything is from earth. I just like to put different labels to everything and indulge in desires. But behind "us" all are the four basic elements pervading every bit of "the heavens", "hell" and "earth" and "life force" experienced as sat-chit-ananda connecting everything. This life force is what I am describing in many forms and manifestations in this thread.

But nobody credible has ever said, that the universal goal in life for sentient beings is to expand their awareness.

I am One and emotions are apart of Me. And when you feel bad, I feel bad, when you feel good, I feel good.
Emotions are to be cultivated in the correct way to get to Me, and full compassion, full awareness is only the natural expression of being true to mySelf and to myHeart.

And all beings dead or alive, in existence and imagination are my companions. My Self.

Everything is me, there was never anyone or anything.

Therfore I am nobody. I have no body.

I am nothing.

I AM.

: )

... don't take this seriously, this is something I would maybe say seriously IF I would know what I AM without a doubt !

this may be nonsense for a lot of people but this should be read from absolute prospective mentioned before in one of my posts. And also this is taken in the context from Hinduism and their very old texts and my imagination.

: )

a reply to: UniFinity

I want to ask what you think, because this is something I've wondered for a long time. It's in no way a judgement of you and your beliefs, just a question from someone genuinely curious. Don't all of these Buddhisty sort of trance/meditation/ finding oneness type of things make you (not you, obviously) incredibly self-indulgent? It just seems like such a lot of time spent not being very useful to anyone else?

Buddhist monks and the like who spend years alone - who's to say they're not just lazy gits who should really be helping to grow food, pave roads, whatever? Or am I missing the point of spirituality entirely?

a reply to: beansidhe

Beautiful point.

Some people have incurable "Metaphysical Hunger Syndrome" and it drives them insane. Many die.

I certainly had it for most of my life.

Oh I still functioned...did many practical things..but it tore me apart 24x7x365 until I found my own personal sollution.

This very situation is why I feel compelled to write about this poorly understood subject.

I'm not saying that all manner of beautiful and useful realizations are not available---they are.

But life is much larger than just that fundamental human issue.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So...can they co-exist, or are they polar opposites?
Utility vs unity?

Kind of like bees vs er, em, 'oneness'.

a reply to: beansidhe

well in my opinion I think you are missing it a bit : )

for me it is simple, it is about knowing who I really am in all aspect and full potential. Nothing else for now. And more that I discover more I understand the connectivity of all things. Which naturally brings more compassion and good intention and emotions for all beings and that is what all religions teach and what my heart is saying to me.

So if spirituality is causing you to hurt any one or to run away or do something else selfish, except for meditation and time for study for a few hours a day regularly if possible, than you are doing it wrong. Life around you should not be overlooked and meditation should not be overlooked, but life has more importance than meditation. And also at some point you could join life and meditation.
Meditation means only silence. natural state of the mind, for me.

Ultimately I am here for others, and not for my desires in my opinion. But I am not yet so far in mental practice and have a lot of desires. Good and bad. And nothing wrong with that. No point in rushing anything. Everything is how it is for a reason I think. This is Karma. Learning about good and bad sides, until we get it right and we can balance inner and outer for the benefit of us and others.

That is one answer.

The other would be.

we don't know what Yogis or other hardocre hermits are doing in caves around the word in deep meditation, we can only imagine. But some may as well be involved in the inner workings of our real nature quite a bit more than we imagine, but from totally different angle.
We may not know the real nature of reality, but it should not be assumed that there is no one out there who don't know the truth, I think there are or certainly were a few people around...and from some of their descriptions there are many ways, if you use your imagination, how one can help from a distance or even other beings.


...but who knows for sure right?
That is why I enjoy life, it is a big mystery and so much to learn and we are free to learn at our own pace it seems.

a reply to: UniFinity

well in my opinion I think you are missing it a bit : )

Yes, this happens often.

Ok, so on the one hand finding balance, temperance, is crucial in order to sustain a healthy life. I can go with that, it sounds right. But I love your second answer!

we don't know what Yogis or other hardocre hermits are doing in caves around the word in deep meditation, we can only imagine. But some may as well be involved in the inner workings of our real nature quite a bit more than we imagine, but from totally different angle.

Hardcore hermits. I like that.
You're right though, we don't know what they're doing at all. And actually if you think about a community as a whole, there has to be space for everyone. It is about finding balance but maybe not just on an individual level, but on a systemic level too. There needs to be space for thinkers, wonderers, philosophers as well as workers and grafters, for society to progress and ideas to form which bring change.

But to go back to your point...what if they are necessary to 'sculpt' our reality, or nature, for the good of all of us? I need to think on this for a bit more.

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So...can they co-exist, or are they polar opposites?
Utility vs unity?

Kind of like bees vs er, em, 'oneness'.

Like I mentioned in an earlier post...I knew a fellow who was so plugged in, that people got contact highs from him. I mean regular nonscrewy people.

I don't think that he believed in "matter and energy any more". All he talked about was "oneness".

My nickname for him was "mushroom head".

It was nearly impossible to interact with him. He did give really great hugs. And I think he could keep a job somehow.

But he nearly wasn't there.

Dunno...if you go for that sort of thing...kind of like being a stoner...but you always pass the drug tests.

Its not for me to say whether that's good for society or not. I mean he worked...didn't such up welfare for no reason.

I'd like to think that there can be a balance...that's my goal anyway.

There is nowhere to escape to...this Earth is just as real as anywhere else. More so than some.

Kev

a reply to: beansidhe

For all we know the Hardcore Hermits (my fav band from '81- mutated from Herman and struck out on their own) are holding this reality together through sheer force of will... and I suspect one or several old grifters have convinced the nearby communities to leave offerings to sustain them via that very line of b.s. ...

and it might even be true-ish.

and as yet another aside, I'd love to know the % of b.s. to truth as far as mental effort effecting reality, aka magik, etc. I've seen stuff that indicates a truth to mind over matter, but have also seen magicians flail helplessly against the material universe and get evicted, lose a partner or die bad deaths like the rest of us.

Why does magik work sometimes, why do big miracles happen upon occasion, why can ghosts make stuff appear on occasion, but all-in-all, this stuff is SO rare the average work-a-day human thinks it's complete fantasy?

Well.... ? Heh...

a reply to: Baddogma

When critters that can affect things at the level of the higgs boson work through a "human magician" then "magic happens". But as I've said a dozen times, "magicians" especially, and sometimes "shaman" may be deluded that they are the ones causing the change.. but they are not. That's why "magic workers" can make a complete fool of themselves.

Now why "critters" so seldom actually do anything.. that is another subject entirely.. except it seems obvious that all the 'stars must align' - generally a psychologically wounded human of some sort needs to be in the region (humans have access to 'everything') and some sort of power source or "enzyme type mediator" has to be available.. quartz under stress.. geomagnetic disruptions.. possibly cosmic ray showers, sunspot activity of a sort---who knows.. i don't.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That's why I listen to you, you ol' 'crank'... you have (at least) plausible answers... heh.

I'd like to know about the motives... is it all manipulating emotions for sustenance? Is it possible to guess? (eta) as not many of us give birth via Kundalini ... or am I mistaken that the critter birthing process involves kundalini development?

As an aside, I'll have to dig up another site from years ago were a guy swore that invisible critters were the causality behind this stuff... another who started from a tribal viewpoint (the "S" word) and had some hard truths for whoever read his stuff... for all I know it was you writing several years ago, heh.

eta: I guess I should clarify that it wasn't the old standard that "spirits may be persuaded to do the human's bidding" but more the scenario you paint about "spirits" using us as chattel and occasionally working with us towards some end... that's the main distinction as I see it ...right now.

a reply to: Baddogma

Motives are tough... we are dealing with non-human sentiences.

Now as to 'critters' I'd like to re-iterate.. that 3 of the 4 zones in the human body that I talk about could be 'critters' even in isolation, and of course there is no isolation.

The base of the spine can be referenced as a remote probe of a "critter".
The "stomach" can be referenced as a remote probe of a "critter".
The "heart" can be referenced as a remote probe of a "critter".
The "head" is a special case, but can BECOME a "remote probe" of a "critter" of sorts.

I don't do chakras you know.. but there is a "conspiracy" about "chakras" that I'll write
about if I get off my ass.

So just these "critters" are living through all of us.. and maybe even through other humans
or organic creatures all throughout space and time.

What their motive are? I don't know really...

other than the basic one.. that we seem to be "space brains" for "god", and these are
the "matrix cables" used.

Other critters, other than those space imps are much more theoretical for me.. those
"MIB style space gypsies" made of "plasma", the plasma critters which live underground
(created by that false Fae confusion BTW... pretty funny..) and the few others.. I
can't speak about their motives at all.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So ..."remote probe" means we human bodies are "tools" (And I've met many a tool) like the radar dishes of this "critter internet/matrix?"

Just defining terms to make sure the gist is gotten...

a reply to: Baddogma

That whole "Kundalini birthing process" thing.. I scarce know what to say.. I'm as confused as you are. You see in the oldest stuff I could find, when the "soul passes out past the skull sutures", then that's the "ascension" of the human to Buddha-land or whatever, and then the story ends. But only it didn't---not in my case at least, and I suspect that there is a "con job" here in some way.. that it doesn't end that way for ANYONE.

I'm the only person that I've ever heard of, who had that happen who is still alive. I wish it hadn't been me.. that it had been someone else.. but it's been very 'educational' for me. That was the defining moment of my life. Damn it.

The "Tulpa" seemed to gain quite a lot of sentience and independence over time.. I mean it was temporarily caught in that dJinn bottle in the middle east like i relayed.


Now, was that "Tulpa' / "Offspring" due to the combined effort of all 4 zones in my body? Yes, it was. It was some sort of group activity on the part of the 4 different type of critters (3 well known.. the head being 'special').

I would say that this group activity was ONE thing that those remote probes do.. but hardly a common thing to do.. Just sitting back and "collecting data" and subtly no doubt moving events in history.. but then the question about why history has been so "evil".

Well I think I know the answer to that too..it's nothing you'd ever guess. But you'd have to read the book for that.

Kev

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So ..."remote probe" means we human bodies are "tools" (And I've met many a tool) like the radar dishes of this "critter internet/matrix?"

Just defining terms to make sure the gist is gotten...

Chew on this:

en.wikipedia.org...

I never learned about this until long after all my experiences.

I think that the physical universe requires us physical creatures to make everything work.

What people call "prana" or "psychic energy" is just the results of channeled quantum
fluctuations from the "void" interacting with our nerve plexuses.

And all "that" has become "more" sentient due to interacting with us "god making machines".

Kev