So you refuse to CONSENT to a drug test, they can refuse to treat you? And your fetus.

a reply to: TinySickTears
CPS is not law enforcement.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: TinySickTears

she was addicted to pain medication, which I believe was prescribed to her by a doctor to begin with. she couldn't afford the doctor so she used a friends prescription for Suboxone, which she would have been given in most drug reahabilitation clinics.

so she could afford to go to the doc to get the script
could afford the script
coudnt afford to come off though?
got it

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
But it doesn't say that, it says, "So you can be reported to CPS and the authorities."

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any chance you can post a pic of the form?
i have a hard time believing it says that.
i guess its possible but i just dont see it.

if it does say that i bet there are a whole lotta mofo's not signing it.
sign here and incriminate yourself.
hahahahahaha

Man, that's the really scary thing. Women are signing this crap left and right- probably without even reading it.

No, I did not think to photograph it or take a copy with me. I figured they'd be like 'Well, she didn't consent, on with the exam.' I did not expect them to refuse to treat me altogether. I turned that form in to the office along with the other 20 forms I signed. I gladly gave consent for them to give STD info to the CDC, I can understand the need for that.

And don't get me wrong, fetal alcohol syndrome, natal drug addiction, birth defects that could totally be avoided....it's horrible business. And women with those type of addiction problems should be given every opportunity to be helped. But that's not me.

Just like I wouldn't consent to a search of my home or vehicle even (especially) if I knew there was nothing illegal for them to find.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinySickTears
CPS is not law enforcement.

im aware of that
she is the one that said if she pisses dirty she would have a record with law enforcement

a reply to: Phage

They can take away your kids. That's worse than being in jail.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
And women with those type of addiction problems should be given every opportunity to be helped. But that's not me.

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they dont really know that though huh
least not till they test you

a reply to: TinySickTears

You think if CPS finds something on you they aren't slapping charges on you?
Assault on Fetus

There's several more, but my baby is fussing and I have to go.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

what state do you live in? just curious if it's one that has any kind of fetal protection laws in place.

All of these things are in Obama care , and much of the drug stuff is enforced upon doctors by the DEA, or they lose their DEA license and there are still many things no one has even read yet. (You will have to wait and let government tell you what's in it, when they are good and ready, thank you very much Mr. President.
This is socialized healthcare, and not just any socialized healthcare, it is an Obama style Marxist/Maoist approach to socialized medicine., and you haven't even begun to see the SH-t that's in it yet. It is a nice way to gain full control of people, and Obama loves it. It fits all his mentors training and his upbringing by Marxist commies galore.

Maybe CPS should just visit everyone with children, since no one has anything to hide.

then the police could visit everyone, just to make sure.

Then the NSA can go over everyone's email and internet history, because no one has anything to hide.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Maybe CPS should just visit everyone with children, since no one has anything to hide.

That would not be practical, nor is it necessary. On the other hand if a pregnant woman tests positive for drug use, it would make sense to take a closer look at other factors.

a reply to: Phage

I would need to see what HIPAA would have to say, but privacy seems to be a thing of the past and not too many appear to care.

Good for you.

Most seem of the opinion that it's good for the baby, so if you have nothing to hide, bend over and comply.

Drug tests DO, in fact, give false positives, though... I could look up some webpage and site it, but know due to personal experience.

Be fun to have CPS come down on you... maybe take the child at birth because you had a muffin with the wrong seeds on it. As if having mom jailed or denying care is "good for the baby." In some cases, of course taking the child from the parents is necessary and good for the child... in most cases, though, likely not.

It's a complex issue, and I'd be more okay with it if our society was far less punitive about drug use and had more realistic, kind, effective measures... like free education or something?

But it is nothing but punitive.. .so?

But good luck.. .the velvet ropes of a 'benevolent' tyranny have really tightened these last 20 years... feels snug.

a reply to: TinySickTears

well, speaking of me personally, when I could go to the doctor, once the bills got to a point where is wasn't gonna be paid off within a year, I would stop going till they were paid off. and that was only if I had insurance and a job. otherwise, I lived with the pain, popped the ibprofen, and well, laid in bed for over a week trying to find a surgeon that would set a broken ankle without demanding thousands of dollars as a down payment. At this point in my life I am kind of sick and tired of those who sit there proclaiming that anyone and everyone who needs healthcare can get it....
obviously, they never been poor, and needed it and had the gov't deny any and all benefits to them.

the second story just kind of indicates what the motive is for having the doctors do the drug tests, and reporting the results, along with other information to cps and law enforcement. it's a sure sign that the rights the rights of women are being supplanted with the rights of the fetus.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Phage

I would need to see what HIPAA would have to say, but privacy seems to be a thing of the past and not too many appear to care.

That's what the consent form is about.

a reply to: Phage

"Forced" consent.

Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

originally posted by: dawnstar

well, speaking of me personally, when I could go to the doctor, once the bills got to a point where is wasn't gonna be paid off within a year, I would stop going till they were paid off. and that was only if I had insurance and a job. otherwise, I lived with the pain,

there are other ways to do it. other doctors.
my doc sees me once every 4 months so i dont have to pay monthly office costs. she gives me 4 months worth of my scripts at a time with each one saying on bold DO NOT FILL BEFORE A CERTAIN DATE.
all i had to do was ask her.
of course this is speaking for me personally

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Phage

"Forced" consent.

Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Maybe. Like an employment application.
Want a job here? Consent to random testing.
Want me to be your OB? Consent to random testing.

a reply to: Phage

Want medical treatment?

Give up all your rights and please, sign here, here, and initial. . . . . . here.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Give up all your rights and please, sign here, here, and initial. . . . . . here.

No. Not all. Just a bit of privacy, with good reason.
You do that when you strip down, don't you?

But you understand that the form does not say you will be drug tested, right?