Fascism is Not Right Wing, it is socialist.

originally posted by: GamleGamle
a reply to: introvert

Thanks for that. Its all good.

Kind Regards.

Perhaps you misunderstand. I am truly interested in learning where I may be wrong.

I'm highly-informed on the issue, but can accept that I do not know everything.

If you have something to add, please do.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
So we have right wingers of ATS whining over people comparing Trump to Hitler yet the same right wingers love to demonize the left by comparing them with fascists

Got it

I think you summarized and condensed what I've been trying to say for a while now. Apparently everyone is evil except the conservatives?

It's a mad world...isn't it?

a reply to: introvert

Oh sorry I got my fascist dictators mixed up.

Roosevelt’s original proposal for what would become the National Firearms Act of 1934, the first federal gun control law, sought to tax all firearms and establish a national registry of guns.

newrepublic.com...

originally posted by: ColCurious
a reply to: introvert

I'm Conservative myself by the way... for German standards that is.
And this is important for some Americans to understand:
Political "Wings" are RELATIVE!

Whats more is that the political spectrum is not two dimensional ... as in left and right wing.

Along with the conservative vs liberal (small l and c) axis there is also an axis that runs between totalitarianism and anarchy. The political parties and movements through out the world and history lie along both axes.

The reason there is so much debate about wethere Fascism is a left or right wing ideology is because it is nether. It's what you get the farther you move up the political spectrum toward totalitarianism... and you can move up to this point from anywhere along the left right spectrum.

I found a pretty neat website that has an interactive presentation on political/economic spectrum's.

Here's from one of the last, after you combine economic and political spectrum's together:



So you see, dictators exist on BOTH ends of the spectrum...Fascism, however, appears on the right/conservative side of the spectrum.

This is what I keep saying. If GOP Republicans want to call Democratic candidates or politicians dictators, they need to go after the actual and appropriate kind.

Communism is one end, fascism is on the other.

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a reply to: introvert

That is exactly what I am saying. Sincerely. I see that you are more informed than I am on the subject overall. So I have seen nothing to correct you in. I was just being self conscious about my lack of concrete knowledge and projecting my personal feelings of inadequacy onto your praise. If that makes sense. My bad. Carry on. As I said all good.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Well, the right-wingnutters and the socialist = two cheeks of the same ar*se. But, then again:

a reply to: mekhanics

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Great failure.

The Communist governments all use(d) "dictatorial capitalism" (as defined by Left Wing sources)

China, USSR, Cuba etc. etc.

And of course, "Democratic Socialism" (EU) depends 100% on "Capitalism".

a reply to: mekhanics

Fantastic.

Ultra Left Wing definitions that can't be examined let alone verified with facts.

But the money part may be accurate.

originally posted by: introvert
The first problem when approaching this particular issue is that there is a language barrier. Certain terms and phrases may appear to say one thing when viewed through our modern understanding of them. But they were used in different ways and meant something a bit different back then.

One example would be the word socialism.

People see the word socialism in the name of the Nazi party, National Socialist German Workers' Party, and assume that the word "socialist" is used with the same meaning as we believe today. But it's more complicated than that. It would be better if you understood how it was applied by those that lived back then.

The Nazi ideology was based on "Volksgemeinschaft". It means a community of people. A unified nation. A union. That is the context in which the term "socialist" is used. It's more applicable to ultra-nationalism than it is to actual socialism. You have to remember that socialism is an economic and political model. Very little of which was incorporated by the Nazis.

Anyway, you have to better understand the differences in terminology between the 1930's and 2015 to better understand Nazis, fascism and socialism.

K, that's great Intro, but that still leaves me questioning why 2015 socialists have adopted some 1930's socialist solutions.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: neo96

Quoting goebels does not change the fact that fascisms is a right wing doctrine.

Proof?

Or are you just a JiveTurkey..

a reply to: GamleGamle

It wasn't entirely inaccurate. We're good.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

K, that's great Intro, but that still leaves me questioning why 2015 socialists have adopted some 1930's socialist solutions.

Of course there is going to be a bit of overlap from then till now, but what 1930's solutions have been adopted by modern socialists?

Be specific.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I am not entirely certain you understand socialism.

Hmmm.

I am actually quite certain that you don't understand socialism.....Democratic Socialism.
And that you have no intention of doing so......
and that no matter what information is provided.....you refuse to do so.....

Such a shame to belabor lies.

Meh. These threads pop up every so often where a bunch of people on the right try to accuse Socialists of being fascists just because the word "Socialist" shows up in the Nazi name. Then they seek out all sorts of information to confirm their foregone conclusion that Nazi = Socialist. They aren't seeking to learn, only to shout their opinions and insult everyone who disagrees.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

The label's stupid, might as well just call it "Bernieism."

I'm cool with that

:-)

originally posted by: introvert
The first problem when approaching this particular issue is that there is a language barrier. Certain terms and phrases may appear to say one thing when viewed through our modern understanding of them. But they were used in different ways and meant something a bit different back then.

One example would be the word socialism.

People see the word socialism in the name of the Nazi party, National Socialist German Workers' Party, and assume that the word "socialist" is used with the same meaning as we believe today. But it's more complicated than that. It would be better if you understood how it was applied by those that lived back then.

The Nazi ideology was based on "Volksgemeinschaft". It means a community of people. A unified nation. A union. That is the context in which the term "socialist" is used. It's more applicable to ultra-nationalism than it is to actual socialism. You have to remember that socialism is an economic and political model. Very little of which was incorporated by the Nazis.

Anyway, you have to better understand the differences in terminology between the 1930's and 2015 to better understand Nazis, fascism and socialism.

1000 stars for you!!

Definitions of words are extremely important in this topic. It falls on deaf ears, however, because folks so badly want to make liberals the next Nazi regime - it is emotionally satisfying for them to do so.

And misinterpreting history, misunderstanding it, is one of the best ways to make sure you don't learn from it.

peace,
AB

a reply to: neo96

This Red Scare stuff is just so tiring - and simple minded

Fascism doesn't belong to any one kind of thinking - fascism isn't political. It's more basic than that. More human. It can call itself whatever it wants - and work it's way into any system

We should all be afraid of fascism. Very afraid

Neo! In a weird way - I kinda sorta agree with you :-)

But seriously - past a certain point you and your commie under every bed buddies are no longer contributing to a rational conversation

Whatever will you do if Bernie wins?

:-)

Fascism is the marriage of the state and large corporate interests, with strong nationalist and collectivist ideology.

The most fascist program probably in US history is Obamacare. It is very technically fascist, as the government mandates purchase of corporate products behind the power of the state for the "good of the nation". Fascist.

a reply to: pirhanna

Fascism is the marriage of the state and large corporate interests, with strong nationalist and collectivist ideology.

How about my taxes going to fund wars that should never have happened so that military contractors and the likes of Halliburton can all have an extra cushy future?

RIght