Donald Trump Calls For 'Complete Shutdown' Of Muslims Entering U.S.

Donald Trump Calls For 'Complete Shutdown' Of Muslims Entering U.S.

What the hell is wrong with this man exactly?

WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential hopeful and real estate mogul Donald Trump is calling for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" following deadly terror attacks involving Islamic extremists in California and France.

"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension," Trump said in a statement emailed to reporters on Monday.

"Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life," he continued.

Corey Lewandowski, Trump's campaign manager, told The Associated Press that the ban would apply to "everybody," including Muslims seeking tourist visas. Last month, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of Trump's rivals for the GOP presidential nomination, introduced a similar proposal that would prevent refugees from obtaining tourist and immigration visas if they are from one of about 30 countries with a "significant jihadist movement."

Trump's call to bar Muslim immigration into the U.S. is just the latest in a series of anti-Islamic statements. He previously suggested shuttering certain mosques in the U.S. and claimed he saw footage of American Muslims cheering after the 9/11 attacks -- footage that no television network has been able to dig up.

First off, we can't keep unwanted Mexicans out of the country and the racist Trump wants to ban a WHOLE other demographic. Seriously, his rhetoric is getting out of hand. I feel like the Grand Wizard of the KKK is running for President AND somehow being successful. Is this the Twilight Zone...?

There is some evidence that such anti-Muslim rhetoric has support among GOP primary voters. According to Public Policy Polling, which has regularly polled voters on their attitudes toward Muslims, a significant portion of GOP primary voters in North Carolina believe Islam should be outright illegal in the United States.

FOR SHAME Trump supporters. This man DOES NOT have our best interests at heart. He's just appealing to your fear and insecurities to get support. Trump is ALL ego and he doesn't care what he has to say or do to expand that ego. Stop FEEDING it. Stop supporting this buffoon.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

This defines his constituency: angry, indebted, job-insecure, mostly religious white conservatives.

Lots of them on ATS. Expect brickbats.

a reply to: Astyanax

It's getting sick and disturbing. I can't believe that so many people support this clown. WHY is he winning in the Republican polls? I mean this is beyond conservative rhetoric and entering fascist rhetoric.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I have just read about where he gets his info the CSP.

It's a conservative think-tank
The CSP was founded in 1988 by Frank Gaffney Jr, a former staffer in the Ronald Reagan administration who has been accused of Islamophobia. On its website, the centre calls itself a "Special Forces in the War of Ideas" which offers "maximum bang for the buck" to its donors.
The CSP does not publish information about who those donors are, but according to a 2013 report by Salon they include some of the US's biggest aviation and defence companies - Boeing, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, Northrup Grumman, Raytheon and General Electric.
Center for Security Policy
Promoted on the organisation's website are reports and books with titles such as Star Spangled Sharia, Civilisation Jihad, and Muslim Colonisation of America. Responding to the controversy over Mr Trump's remarks, the CSP said it was "necessary to respond to the threat posed by jihadist terror in a way that ... calls it what it is".

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Appears to me trump is being played..many are to bring about a religious war.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I agree that most of his statements are outrageous, and I'm definitely not a Trump supporter.

Unfortunately, I do not hear any solutions from either party on how to handle Islamic radicalism. It's a touchy subject, and no one seems to want to go near it at all.

originally posted by: peter_kandra
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I agree that most of his statements are outrageous, and I'm definitely not a Trump supporter.

Unfortunately, I do not hear any solutions from either party on how to handle Islamic radicalism. It's a touchy subject, and no one seems to want to go near it at all.

Which is why Trump is so popular.

He is a least willing to tell the people what he really thinks.

Which is refreshing.

Obama= tells us what we want to hear, does the opposite

Trump=tells us what we dont like, but means it

I prefer the honest guy, at least i know where i stand, and what to expect.

a reply to: peter_kandra

Until the name "Saudi Arabia" enters the debate regarding Muslim extremism and terrorism, don't expect any real solutions to occur either.

a reply to: Astyanax

I match all that supposed criteria...

Odd...

I don't support him in the slightest.

Unfortunately, his support is a bit broader than that.

a reply to: forkedtongue

So you'd vote for the devil if he said that after election he'd steal everyone's souls that voted for him? Hey at least he's honest right?

a reply to: peter_kandra

That's because there is no outside solution.

The only thing that will fix radical Islam is a reformation from within radical Islam.

Bombing isn't going to do it. Registering them isn't going to do it.

The West needs to defend itself against elements from within radical Islam, but we can't fix it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Astyanax

WHY is he winning in the Republican polls? I mean this is beyond conservative rhetoric and entering fascist rhetoric.

Maybe that's why he has come up with this current shout, there are too many people agreeing with the silly buggery he's already come out with. Perhaps with this latest 'madness' he can extricate himself out of being a Pressy.

a reply to: smurfy

I can only hope, but so far his candidacy has broken all the odds.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: forkedtongue

So you'd vote for the devil if he said that after election he'd steal everyone's souls that voted for him? Hey at least he's honest right?

Vs Hillary saying it will rain unicorn rainbow farts then also stealing said souls?

lol, nice false equivelency btw.

No, you are putting words in my mouth.

The fact is, it is long past time to have adult conversations about a great many subjects, Trump is causing this dialogue to take place, because when he spits hyperbole, we all talk about it.

Hillary Obama Bush etc... all sweep these things under the rug, and act like the problems dont exist.

They do, they are crushing this nation, they need to be brought to the forefront and dealt with.

Yes terrorists are hiding in the the migrants.

Yes somthing needs to be done about the millions of illegals here that have depressed American wages for decades.

Yes I love that he has no problem talking about these things.

I dont agree with his stance on a lot of issues, but he is the only adult willing to have these issues brought forth and actually adress them, while also offering solutions.

All the others pay lip service when it is politically expedient, but never actually do or say anything besides the same tired BS most Americans are plain sick and tired of.

a reply to: seagull

I match all that supposed criteria. I don't support him in the slightest.

I didn't say everyone who fits into that category would support him. Obviously there will be those who don't.

But are you saying I'm wrong about his constituency? Who is it, then?

Some time ago, on a different thread, I posted an article about a study showing rising death-rates among middle-aged white Americans. The causes were mainly substance abuse, poisoning and suicide. The article author equated this to rising anger among economically and educationally underachieving (the statistics supported this) whites due to loss of privilege and the disorienting speed of the cultural transformation they are witnessing.

These are the people Trump is speaking to, and for. They are fed up with the world as they see it. They don't care about fixing things: right now their urge is to destroy that which they see as confronting them and opposing them. They don't want to repair the political process, they don't want to make peace with others: they want to destroy. Donald is their tribune.

It is always dangerous to make predictions about American democracy, but I think it is under greater threat today than it was even during the McCarthy era. You'd have to go back to the Civil War, I think, to find an equal degree of polarization.

And maybe, just maybe, a civil war is what you Americans will have.

I still have enough affection for your country to hope, all the same, that you do not.

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: forkedtongue

So you'd vote for the devil if he said that after election he'd steal everyone's souls that voted for him? Hey at least he's honest right?

Vs Hillary saying it will rain unicorn rainbow farts then also stealing said souls?

lol, nice false equivelency btw.

No, you are putting words in my mouth.

The fact is, it is long past time to have adult conversations about a great many subjects, Trump is causing this dialogue to take place, because when he spits hyperbole, we all talk about it.

No, we aren't. We are just calling him a racist and a fearmonger. Hell Huffpo has been putting his candidacy in the entertainment section of their website and NOW they are going to straight up just be calling him a racist 24/7.

Hillary Obama Bush etc... all sweep these things under the rug, and act like the problems dont exist.

Which problems? I distinctly recall each of those people addressing problems they considered important to them.

They do, they are crushing this nation, they need to be brought to the forefront and dealt with.

Yes terrorists are hiding in the the migrants.

Yes somthing needs to be done about the millions of illegals here that have depressed American wages for decades.

Yes I love that he has no problem talking about these things.

I dont agree with his stance on a lot of issues, but he is the only adult willing to have these issues brought forth and actually adress them, while also offering solutions.

All the others pay lip service when it is politically expedient, but never actually do or say anything besides the same tired BS most Americans are plain sick and tired of.

What needs to be done is AMERICANS need to stop living in intolerant ignorance of these subjects and actually educate themselves on what is really going on instead of relying on politicians to fix all their problems.

a reply to: Astyanax

No, you didn't, and I apologize for the mistake.

From everything I've seen, and read, it's fairly broad-based. Which is much more concerning than if it were, indeed, the narrow base you describe.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: peter_kandra

That's because there is no outside solution.

The only thing that will fix radical Islam is a reformation from within radical Islam.

Bombing isn't going to do it. Registering them isn't going to do it.

The West needs to defend itself against elements from within radical Islam, but we can't fix it.

The problem is not radicalization of Islam, but the problem is islamization of radicalism.

Are you saying that the geopolitical question is not part of the equation ? Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan.. ? Decades of destructive imperialism ? Neocolonialism ? Allying with the worst among them to destroy the most secular among them ?

Islam in this situation is only the packaging, only a flag.

The microcosm of US politics is grotesque.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: seagull

I match all that supposed criteria. I don't support him in the slightest.

I didn't say everyone who fits into that category would support him. Obviously there will be those who don't.

But are you saying I'm wrong about his constituency? Who is it, then?

Some time ago, on a different thread, I posted an article about a study showing rising death-rates among middle-aged white Americans. The causes were mainly substance abuse, poisoning and suicide. The article author equated this to rising anger among economically and educationally underachieving (the statistics supported this) whites due to loss of privilege and the disorienting speed of the cultural transformation they are witnessing.

These are the people Trump is speaking to, and for. They are fed up with the world as they see it. They don't care about fixing things: right now their urge is to destroy that which they see as confronting them and opposing them. They don't want to repair the political process, they don't want to make peace with others: they want to destroy. Donald is their tribune.

It is always dangerous to make predictions about American democracy, but I think it is under greater threat today than it was even during the McCarthy era. You'd have to go back to the Civil War, I think, to find an equal degree of polarization.

And maybe, just maybe, a civil war is what you Americans will have.

I still have enough affection for your country to hope, all the same, that you do not.

As a member of your described demographic, I can agree with some of the things you said, but not for the reasons you stated.

Middle aged educated whites see ourselves working tirelessely every day, while getting cut off at the knees constantly by the gov.

The same gov, that treats illegal immigrants better than the same folks paying those tax dollars.

That is the rub.

It is seriously a sad but true joke, that many of us middle aged educated whites, could double our standard of living by leaving america, buying fake foreign documentation, and illegally reentering as an illegal immigrant than staying in our current situation.

Is it so hard to see the reason for the frustration?

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: peter_kandra

That's because there is no outside solution.

The only thing that will fix radical Islam is a reformation from within radical Islam.

Ummm...perhaps we should support efforts like this...that was referenced in this thread...

I totally agree that solutions need to come from within Islam...yet I also agree that we need to speak to this issue like adults and not let the better part of childish reactionism...cloud the debate...
Perhaps if we were to step beyond hyperbole...on all sides of the equation then real reform might have the needed space to flourish...




YouSir

a reply to: Astyanax

I've been feeling the same way about the polarization. I have a serious feeling that another Democrat is going to win the Presidential election again, exposing that the hateful rhetoric of even the mainstream GOP candidates isn't going to get them elected anymore. This will herald in more years of increasing divisive politics. At some point that divisiveness needs to be addressed or it will boil over into violence.