This is not a day care. This is a university!

I'm sure just by pointing out the problem, it some how, is a micro-aggression.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: DAVID64

the older generation are the ones who raised these kids. why aren't we putting the blame there, or at least acknowledging a role?

I do agree with the wrote the guy wrote, tho.

Because its not survival of the fittest anymore, its survival of the bitchiest. Get with the program!

a reply to: Lysergic

To some, undoubtedly it is.

Which says unflattering things about some, though not all, of Millennials.

originally posted by: Lysergic
I'm sure just by pointing out the problem, it some how, is a micro-aggression.

Who instigated these micro aggressions?

It must have been someone biggotted.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: 0hlord

Second your ignorance is what offends me.

Why should ignorance offend you? Ignorance is a lack of knowledge...so? Teach, thereby solving not only their ignorance, but maybe in the process your own.

Get too busy being "offended", and the opportunity is lost.

Teach? Im still gathering intelligence, friend

a reply to: knoxie

You aren't wrong. In many ways, it's a living breathing example of chickens coming home to roost.

All too many were so worried about career, and having it all, that they forgot, if they ever knew, that if the kids in your life are good people, you don't need much after that.

I've never had a whole lot in my life, being poor is like that...but the kids in my life are good people, and when I watch them succeeding? Hey, life is pretty good.

Somewhere, sometime, many forgot that simple lesson.

originally posted by: knoxie
the older generation are the ones who raised these kids. why aren't we putting the blame there, or at least acknowledging a role?

Very good point.

But learning is also a shared responsibility as the article below explains...

“No Such Thing As Bad Student, Only Bad Teacher.” ~ Mr. Miyagi

In the 1984 film, The Karate Kid, wise old karate master Mr. Miyagi tells Daniel that there is “no such thing as bad student, only bad teacher.” Is this true? What Mr. Miyagi is trying to emphasize is the importance of good teaching. Of course, the value of an inspiring, dedicated and experienced teacher cannot be underestimated.

However, what Miyagi fails to take into account is that learning is a shared responsibility. No matter how good or bad a teacher is, a large portion of the responsibility must fall on the student. Ideally your child and their teacher are a team, working together to achieve a common goal.

spectrumtuition.com...

a reply to: 0hlord

I'm sure these are the kids you see (er, saw) screaming their lungs out in the store because mommy or daddy wouldn't buy them cookies and they were hanging on to their parent's ankle as the parent walked until finally the parent gave up and bought the cookies.

a reply to: ketsuko

I was describing the parents behaviour actually.

a reply to: MagesticEsoteric

OK, here comes a bunch of easy chair pop psychology crap. That is I have no idea really why you or he or anyone chose an avatar. Mine, I chose because it was a rock I pulled out of a river bed and I thought it looked like ET.
But to offer, as I said, an old layman's very thin guesses at psychology,,,
You may just be a Depp fan and liked the avatar, I don't know. ( My favorite Depp movie was Ed Wood)

I think that is Depp's Hunter S Thompson in his gonzo years? If so all I can do is present my opinion of him. He was of my generation. He held certain hopes and fears and had a good amount of talent. But he was a self indulgent narcissist himself and though a hero to many of my age, myself included for a while, he was seen as a destroyer of civilization type to many others. He road the wave of let it all hang out that was set in motion by the beat generation. To me I can draw a clear connection of the type of freedom he extolled and the purported generation that is now being pummeled in this thread.

What does that say about you as juxtaposed with the Murray character? You have chosen as a representation of yourself here on ATS, an avatar of a man who represents the struggle to be free, to make ones own way, to become the best whatever it is you want to be. While I liked this about Thompson, well I have to admit, he was not a perfect example for younger generations. So, choosing an avatar out of respect I presume, I have to wonder at deriding a whole generation who, for my mind, are a direct result of HST wannabes.

And the Stripes character? Not based on a real person at all. That character was a total fabrication built on a premise that all you need is bull# to survive. Oh and a good heart. That movie was made to capitalize on the success of Caddyshack and the money making prospects of Murray at the time. Those characters all presented this anti establishment irreverent persona. Unlike another Murray character of irreverence, his role in Meatballs, at least had the fall back position of him having a good heart and pulling for the underdog. Not so in Stripes.

Again, to my mind, though I loved Stripes, that character is not a shining example to younger generations. so, again, for me neither a good examples of how to live to be presented to upcoming generations.

And for me all of that crap is moot anyway. I just find jumping on 'the next' generation for not living up to the standards of ones own generation to be a might hypocritical while at the same time extolling the heros of ones own, faulty generation. Mine included

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: 0hlord

I'm sure these are the kids you see (er, saw) screaming their lungs out in the store because mommy or daddy wouldn't buy them cookies and they were hanging on to their parent's ankle as the parent walked until finally the parent gave up and bought the cookies.

Man K,,, I saw that just a day or so ago. Mommy would not listen and rather than taking action just turned and walked away leaving the kiddie on the floor venting. The kid literally scrambled on hands and knees, grabbed the mothers ankles and kicking and screaming, hung on for dear life as the mother continued on down the isle.

Was it not a month ago you were crying like a sissy liberal girl about hurting muslims feelings?

You are no overlord. You are a pansy populist.

originally posted by: jolim
Was it not a month ago you were crying like a sissy liberal girl about hurting muslims feelings?

I did no such thing.

a reply to: Metallicus
I hear what you are saying but there is way too much blame to spread around, to drop the bucket at any one set of feet.

Go back to the beginning to where you think the problems started, then go back two more generations, just for good measure.

You will see that the consistent theme from generation to generation is malcontentment. Malcontentment breeds malcontentment. Parents struggled, sacrificed, and fought, to make a life for their children that was better than the one they had. In every generation, the parents meant well. They taught their children that life short changed them, that there was a better world out there to be had. All they had to do was go out there and get it. There were people all around them that had more, and more was available to them as well, if they ...... (fill in the blank).

Well it didn't work. No matter what they did it wasn't enough. There were no big gains in working hard, saving till it hurt, going to school, getting a degree, it was never enough, for that big wind fall, that "I made it!", the world is my oyster moment.

Some people made small strides, and some family members made it up high enough above the other folk, to generate just the right amount of envy, but for the majority of folk, it has been a slow and difficult climb, getting nowhere fast, and veraciously fighting the downward slide.

In the process we have taught our children that making it in the eyes of the world is the ultimate goal. How do you measure that? Well, first we thought it was measured by what others had. As long as we had as much or more than the Jones', than we were making it and we were safe.

When we left our tiny burbs and moved out into the world, we ran into some problems. Validating yourself was a lot more difficult to do, because there was little time left for anything other than working to keep up. Time became a rare premium. Children became latch key children, but all was well because mommy and daddy were bringing home things. Things that validated them and they were able to give their children all the dream book garbage they wished for but could never have.

Latch key kids, learned the importance of work, and a good work ethic. They liked things, so they made sure their children had even more things then they had. It was the way they demonstrated their love because, they grew up with things, because mommy and daddy were working most of the time, but they had weekends.

Latch key kids were faced with the difficulty of providing their children with things, and a roof, with money starting to become harder to get, and it just didn't buy as much as before. It required more hours and days of work, just to break even. TV, video games, and friends, became the babysitter, and social connections for their children, but it was okay, because mommy and daddy were still bringing home things.

So now we have children that have no real concept of love, or one on one interpersonal touching relationships. They have a confused and have a distorted concept of physical intimacy. They are centered around self, because it is all they know, and that is all they have been taught.

They get their social cues from strangers in a virtual fantasy world of their own making. This is what we have handed them and they are doing the best they can with what we have given them.

I tried once to discuss the abysmal legacy that we are responsible before. It is not something that most people want to think about.

a reply to: 0hlord

Remember,us old timers have a good saying that still holds true today: When you point your finger at someone else,the other four are pointed back at yourself. Step up and take responsibility for your actions instead of blaming others.

This expands on what's going on:
www.theatlantic.com - How Trigger Warnings Are Hurting Mental Health on Campus...

Personally I don't think there's anything we can do. What's going on today is no different than what went on before. Eventually there'll be thought control. In a race to simplify and control, we'll remove some things. We'll have to replace things. We'll merge with AI. We'll increasingly engineer our biology and use synthetic body parts when practical.

I think we'll keep emotions. Only the ones which are fit. In future days, we'll think of it as emotion management. Controlling the animal to make better choices and to manifest a more peaceful adjusted society.

I don't like some things, but ultimatley I'll be dead before it really becomes a probelm. Most people in old age never really get with the times. They just get by, keeping busy and--god willing--die smiling. I don't think I'll grow old so I don't think I'll even need to get by, let alone get with the times. So for me I'm a casual spectator on the sidelines, unfortunately. I know that won't make me popular but I don't know what else to say.

EDIT: I grew up in a school environment much less concerned with "safe spaces." That was just 20 years ago. If in the space of 20 years this much can chane, imagine 100 or 200. This is nothing.

originally posted by: 0hlord
And third I don't belong to a generation, no one does. We are human beings.
It's as simple and as complicated as that.

So you're getting pissy over a perceived insult supposedly directed at a group you don't belong to or associate yourself to!?!?!

Huh?

Come again?



I think my problem is simply with people who feel the world owes them something... I also have major beef with people who have a personal failure they choose to blame on everyone else.
Newsflash (and I'll use a bit harsher language than the good reverend in the OP used):
1. The world doesn't owe anyone a goddamned thing except dealing with the body after death if prior arraingements haven't been provided for. Get over yourselves! If you want stuff earn it! Bend your GD backs, get your hands dirty, whip your brain into shape to make it work for you, put forth whatever effort is required. Granted, that effort is almost always more strenuous than the effort it takes to sit on your ass pissing and whining about how unfair life is. Bottom line, aside from a handful of politicians who are trying to build a Kept Voter base of bought and paid for zilches who will never vote against their Meal Ticket, *most* Americans who are actually working and making their own way are sick and tired of providing for those who don't! "I didn't get a job out of school... boo hoo." Did you look hard enough? Did you look outside your comfort zone? Did you look at job availability away from your home? Did you look outside of your preferred fields? Did you apply for jobs you really don't want, but will provide for your needs to the same degree you apply yourself until something better comes along? I have yet to see anyone honestly answer "yes" to all of these after throwing their little "I can't find work" hissy fits.
2. Once you turn legal age, 18 in most states... once your testicles have descended or your menses begun, and you've reached the culmination of your physical maturation that occurs at the end of your teen years... YOU are responsible for YOU. No more blaming mommy and daddy, no more blaming the big mean old world, no more blaming everybody out there under the sun. If you find yourself languishing in failure and despair, find a mirror, look at your reflection in it, and say "Damn you, you failed me." This is a simple fact of life that *some* have tried to sugar coat... you are not your brother's keeper, you're your OWN keeper. If you fail, then you fail. If you succeed, then despite what the pandering enabler in the White House claims, you really did build that! Congratulations to you.

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: Athetos
Don't feed the trolls they get bigger if you do.

Hard to resist, but the little buggers are SOOOO darn cute...

Stop! Please don't feed the trolls.
I know that it hurts, its just not worth it.
Stop! Please don't feed the trolls.
Don't fall in the trap be bigger than that!
Stop! Please dont feed the trolls.
They're already lonely so leave them alone.
Its just creepy the way that they need to be known.
Stop! Please don't feed the trolls.
don't let them get to your sense of pride.
turn off that screen and go outside.

LOL,

They are not all cute! I just had to shake one that wasn't cute at all.....a troll none the less.

And you handled that particular wrathful little troll so adroitly.
Shame you sent him back to his 'safe zone' though. He personified his generation's problem so well.

a reply to: eluryh22
Just be careful, select wisely, and stay very engaged.

My friend and my neighbor both had to pull their children out of private school, and one of them was a Christian school, for the exaggerated level of bullying, that was going on among the students.

Private school children can be very cliquish and very elitist. In both cases their children were not those ones that were being bullied, but they didn't like the attitudes they saw them starting to develop. The worse part is that the behavior was endemic. You could spot a child from one of the private schools a mile away, even when they weren't wearing their uniforms.

Both my friend and my neighbor, decided they didn't want their children in that environment, and they were not going to pay for that corruption, so they pulled their children out. Both found schools they were satisfied with and even I can tell a change in the the children's behavior. Number one, they seem happier, more talkative, and engaging. I also noticed they don't seem to spend as much time with their face in their cell phone. They actually seem to enjoy walking and talking with an old lady, when I visit.

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”

― Socrates