Muslim speaking out!

a reply to: DrakeINFERNO

800 years an AWFUL big jump to be using the adjective "periodically". Islam was created in the 600's AD. So according to YOUR logic, from the 600's to around 1300 (700 years) they were destroying the west, then for another 800 years they weren't doing anything. Now they are attacking again (but are mostly being contained in the Middle East), yet somehow this can be described as "periodically".

Like I said your rhetoric makes zero sense.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You don't say?

6 modern-day Christian terrorist groups our media conveniently ignores

3. The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA)

The mainstream media have had much to say about the Islamist brutality of Boko Haram, but one terrorist group they haven’t paid nearly as much attention to is the Lord’s Resistance Army—which was founded by Joseph Kony (a radical Christianist) in Uganda in 1987 and has called for the establishment of a severe Christian fundamentalist government in that country. The LRA, according to Human Rights Watch, has committed thousands of killings and kidnappings—and along the way, its terrorism spread from Uganda to parts of the Congo, the Central African Republic (CAR) and South Sudan. The word “jihadist” is seldom used in connection with the LRA, but in fact, the LRA’s tactics are not unlike those of ISIS or Boko Haram. And the governments Kony hopes to establish in Sub-Saharan Africa would implement a Christianist equivalent of Islamic Sharia law.

4. TheNational Liberation Front of Tripura

India is not only a country of Hindus and Sikhs, but also, of Muslims, Buddhists, Catholics and Protestants. Most of India’s Christians are peaceful, but a major exception is the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT). Active in the state of Tripura in Northeastern India since 1989, NLFT is a paramilitary Christianist movement that hopes to secede from India and establish a Christian fundamentalist government in Tripura. NLFT has zero tolerance for any religion other than Christianity, and the group has repeatedly shown a willingness to kill, kidnap or torture Hindus who refuse to be converted to its extreme brand of Protestant fundamentalism.

In 2000, NLFT vowed to kill anyone who participated in Durga Puja (an annual Hindu festival) And in May 2003, at least 30 Hindus were murdered during one of NLFT’s killing sprees.

You should take your media blinders off.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DrakeINFERNO

800 years an AWFUL big jump to be using the adjective "periodically". Islam was created in the 600's AD. So according to YOUR logic, from the 600's to around 1300 (700 years) they were destroying the west, then for another 800 years they weren't doing anything. Now they are attacking again (but are mostly being contained in the Middle East), yet somehow this can be described as "periodically".

Like I said your rhetoric makes zero sense.

periodically is a correctly used in this context, grab a dictionary if you like. Because you don't understand does not make it rhetoric. Anyway goodbye.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Xtrozero

You don't say?

Ya there are a lot of screwed up areas in the world. Are the LRA or NFLT world threats? Are they numbered in the millions? I'm trying to understand your point here when yes we can have something like Branch Dravidian but are they really an issue. What is going on in the Middle East is a world issue. I care little about religion and I care little about terrorist groups all around the world. What I do care about are the ones that are the worst and largest, and who see the whole world as their war zone. Unfortunately this is all coming out of the middle east.

From Waleed Aly, a much loved Muslum on Australia TV, about ISIS

Interesting comments by Tariq Ramadan

originally posted by: DrakeINFERNO

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: DrakeINFERNO

800 years an AWFUL big jump to be using the adjective "periodically". Islam was created in the 600's AD. So according to YOUR logic, from the 600's to around 1300 (700 years) they were destroying the west, then for another 800 years they weren't doing anything. Now they are attacking again (but are mostly being contained in the Middle East), yet somehow this can be described as "periodically".

Like I said your rhetoric makes zero sense.

periodically is a correctly used in this context, grab a dictionary if you like. Because you don't understand does not make it rhetoric. Anyway goodbye.

Periodically means that it happens on a reoccurring basis with small gaps in between. What is occurring here is a MASSIVE stretch of the word "periodically", especially since the time period where they weren't attack in the west is longer than the time period they are.

I think you just got caught putting your foot in your mouth and are being too stubborn to admit you say something dumb. So now you are doing mental gymnastics to rationalize your words (even though they are hypocritical).

At the end of the day, 800 years is TOO long of a gap of time to be saying that Muslims attacking the west is a periodic thing.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Xtrozero

You don't say?

Ya there are a lot of screwed up areas in the world. Are the LRA or NFLT world threats? Are they numbered in the millions? I'm trying to understand your point here when yes we can have something like Branch Dravidian but are they really an issue. What is going on in the Middle East is a world issue. I care little about religion and I care little about terrorist groups all around the world. What I do care about are the ones that are the worst and largest, and who see the whole world as their war zone. Unfortunately this is all coming out of the middle east.

ISIS isn't really a world threat either. Every now and then there is an attack in the west like the one in Paris, but for the most part their shenanigans remain within Iraq and Syria.

a reply to: Krazysh0tlol you can alter the definition of periodically all you want. It means from time to time. Id say you have an extremely high opinion of your intelligence. You are the one getting hung up on your definition of periodically.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Some of these "Cristian organizations" are just that "Organizations" who are most likely not all made up of Christians and there violence is not justified by their religious doctrine like Islam. A lot of these are not even based in the United States, so of course I wasn't aware of those. I would also question if their violence is directed straight from biblical scriptures or is it created by the groups personal ideology. There's a big difference!

The KKK and Aryan Nation do not take their racial views directly from Bible Scriptures of follow the documented life of Jesus. Jesus did not promote the white race as being superior. If anything, the bible states the Jews were his chosen people. So if the KKK or Aryan nation really wanted to skew the Christian religion, they would actually be a Jewish organization! My main point is, Mohammed's life is documented to be criminal, and these "Radical Islamists" are following the true life and teachings of Mohammed.

Don't get me wrong, I don't justify any organization that promotes violence. Unfortunately the 1st Amendment of our constitution grants for freedom of assembly, which doesn't distinguish between violent and non-violent organizations. I'm all for freedom to assemble, but when it comes to gangs or organizations who are known to engage in violence and/or drug trafficking, they should be declared illegal.

In fact I would be for amending the freedom to assemble based on a criminal violence clause. Humanity doesn't need protect an organization the promotes violence and criminal activities.

Don't take it personal.. it's just that for some of us we're in a cultural war of attrition and in a fight for continued survival, our own kind turned traitorous towards us.. we sold ourselves out.

Very commendable thread though, you seem like a stand up guy.

Hopefully we'll be able to sort through our differences but I suspect TPTB have another goal in mind, they're doing this on purpose. The iron curtain will come down over Europe, it's been the plan all along.. they plan decades ahead..

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

And I've already noted many times here on ATS that Muslims are fighting them. Iraq's army & militias are mostly Muslims and they're fighting them. Iran's mostly Muslims & they're fighting them. Syria's army and government are mostly Muslims and they're fighting them. Hezbollah are mostly Muslims and they're fighting them. The Kurdish people are roughly 90% Sunni Muslims and their militias are fighting them. Egypt is doing military operations against them in Libya right now.

Are these Muslims much better than ISIS? All of them are pretty extreme, just not quite as extreme as IS.

originally posted by: DrakeINFERNO
a reply to: Krazysh0tlol you can alter the definition of periodically all you want. It means from time to time. Id say you have an extremely high opinion of your intelligence. You are the one getting hung up on your definition of periodically.

Using your logic one could say that ANY group of people periodically destroy another group of people and be true.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Some of these "Cristian organizations" are just that "Organizations" who are most likely not all made up of Christians and there violence is not justified by their religious doctrine like Islam. A lot of these are not even based in the United States, so of course I wasn't aware of those. I would also question if their violence is directed straight from biblical scriptures or is it created by the groups personal ideology. There's a big difference!

Not really... Terrorism is terrorism no matter what mental gymnastics you want to jump through to excuse Christians from doing it.

The KKK and Aryan Nation do not take their racial views directly from Bible Scriptures of follow the documented life of Jesus. Jesus did not promote the white race as being superior. If anything, the bible states the Jews were his chosen people. So if the KKK or Aryan nation really wanted to skew the Christian religion, they would actually be a Jewish organization! My main point is, Mohammed's life is documented to be criminal, and these "Radical Islamists" are following the true life and teachings of Mohammed.

No. Wahabbism is considered by most moderates to be just as crazy and NOT Muslims as all the Christian ones that Christians try to distance themselves from with mental gymnastics like you are attempting here with me.

Don't get me wrong, I don't justify any organization that promotes violence. Unfortunately the 1st Amendment of our constitution grants for freedom of assembly, which doesn't distinguish between violent and non-violent organizations. I'm all for freedom to assemble, but when it comes to gangs or organizations who are known to engage in violence and/or drug trafficking, they should be declared illegal.

In fact I would be for amending the freedom to assemble based on a criminal violence clause. Humanity doesn't need protect an organization the promotes violence and criminal activities.

I think our amendments are just fine the way they are.

a reply to: Kapusta
I understand where you are coming from. I have been were you are, on many an occasion. Not because I chose to embrace a particular religion, or even for something I chose to believe. Beliefs and religions can be changed, some people change them whenever it suits or benefits them. The bigotry that I have had to deal with throughout my life, has had to do with the family I was born into. I had no choice in that, and I can't change it.

So I get how unfair you think it is when someone judges you based on information that may be completely devoid of fact, and even if true, has absolutely nothing to do with you as an individual. I get the sense of unfairness, and how angry and frustrating it can make you feel. When you think it can't get any worse, your comments and concerns are dismissed, belittled and deemed inconsequential. It puzzles you when ancient distorted histories, and past crimes done by those you never knew or had anything to do with, are used as justification for why your arguments about what is happening today, are irrational and cannot be considered valid, or to have worth.

You ask, "What can you do to be heard?" That is probably the biggest problem you are going to have to face, because people are not listening. They can't hear what you are saying because they are struggling too hard for their own voice to be heard; so all we end up with is a bunch of angry people screaming at each other.

If other groups had been successful in getting people to listen and understand what they had to say, then maybe it would be a little easier for you now, but what you are seeing is what happens when no one is listening, and further more, don't care, what anyone else has to say, because their own needs are not being adequately addressed. It doesn't matter whether it is about religion or not, it makes little difference, when it comes to what a persons believes.

It is not just the tension from the recent attacks associated with those that are terrorist or radical members of your particular religion. It just has added to the rapid decline in communication here and all around the internet. It is mostly the demand of so many to be heard, yet no one wants to listen.

I understand your agenda and I understand that you don't want to be unfairly lumped into the group that you feel are the bad guys, but we are lousy at communicating, because we refuse to see that the people that we are screaming at, are not wrong.

Just as you feel you are right, and that you are being unfairly persecuted, that is exactly the way the people you battling feel, and they are just as convinced that you are wrong. And that is exactly the problem. We are hardwired to believe that if we are right, then that makes the other guy wrong. If they are the bad guys, then we are the good guys.

We will never get any closer to fixing this mess, until we are willing to see and admit that there are no good guys, and until we learn to listen with a true desire for understanding, this battle will continue into infinity and beyond.

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: Kapusta

How can anyone who reads this be sure? Words come easy and words are cheap.

So could yours or anyones why do you give the impression that words from a muslim are less believable?

How do you feel about women? Is a woman equal to a man? Should she have the same legal rights?

western governments have to introduce specific legislation to counter the very same discrimination DUH. Big fail there for you.

How do you feel about gay and transgender people? Is it ok for them to practise that and you promise you will tolerate them?

As opposed to putting people in jail less than a generation ago for being gay. Forced drug re-alignment etc etc. Then there's the need to introduce yet more specific anti discrimination laws in western countries.

Regarding Law and punishment: Are you happy to live in a land who's laws are different to yours, who are more lenient and do not practise capital punishment and amputation of limbs? Can you promise not to interfere with that and that you will not slowly try to make our laws fit with your religion?

They have for decades but why do westerners go to work in arabic countries and break their alcohol taboos ?

Do you mind me being a believer in Christ and that I do not think your prophet is a prophet. I do not mind that you think he is a prophet, but I do not. Are you ok with that? Can you promise not to take violent action out on me now or in the future?

Millions have for decades

I will not inundate you with any other questions, but these are my biggest concerns about you. If you can answer that you will not hurt me regarding all the above then welcome. You can come live next door!

Millions have for decades.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

ISIS isn't really a world threat either. Every now and then there is an attack in the west like the one in Paris, but for the most part their shenanigans remain within Iraq and Syria.

Also the Russian airlines, 911 etc, millions of refuges flooding Europe.. There are more groups than just ISIS, but they are the worst right now.

You mention LRA and NFLT to suggest muslin extremism is not the biggest problem in the world today, but we do not know if either of these groups actually kill in the name of their religion, or if they just do what they want to do with religion not really a part of the evil they do. One group is in India and India has a big military if they ever wanted to get them, so I guess India doesn't see it as much of an issue, the other group is one of 100s in Africa, a true # hole on this planet.... Muslin extremist eat, breath, live their religion 24/7. They have no other desires but to fill what they think their religion wants them to do.

I need to pick my jaw up, the responses in this thread to the OP... the unchecked ego, sense of superiority and entitlement on display is enraging.

Who the hell are any of you to put someone on trial for their religion, to think that because he came here to communicate that you have the right to interrogate him or any other Muslim, who are you to put a an entire religion on trial for the actions and statements of .00001% of it's entire population?

There are no ducks in a row in the West for your sense of being owed to be justified. What do Westerners do to ensure that our foreign policies do not intentionally or subsequently encourage extremism in the Middle East? Nothing. We sit back, we don't vote or we readily accept the lesser of two evils and do nothing to make sure good people run.

We have to work, starting from the ground up... get involved with your community, stand behind people you feel should be policy setters and organizers, people who will listen to their people and not the business interests who offer to donate to their campaigns, encourage people who won't take money from banks and corporations. Then take it to the state level and then the national. We need to clean house, not sit back and whine that it is pointless, that we are powerless that voting is useless. The power of our vote has become so weak only because we let it, because we got lazy.

There should be no one in power who continues to foster an alliance with Saudi Arabia, there should be no one in power who fosters arming rebels, that fosters removing dictators regardless of how brutal they are... let the people under jackboots fight the dictators. It sounds cold and heartless to turn our backs but it isn't. They will be far better off without Western interference.

If our diplomats and politicians fail to reach agreements with leadership of other Nations to secure pipelines or access resources... too bad. Too fkng bad. It's not ours to take, we aren't entitled to it. Find a different solution to getting precious metals and access to gas and oil. Elect people who abide this, find them, help them campaign.

GET OFF YOUR ASS! OR SHUT YOUR GODDAMN MOUTHS!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm not trying to do any mental gymnastics. As I stated, I don't follow any religion. It wouldn't burst my bubble if violent Christian movements were being attacked in the media. However, in the United States there are no organizations who are mass killing innocent men women and children world wide. If they were, they would be attacked in the same way as ISIS. When you compare the current amount of attacks and mass killings done in the name of Islam, there is absolutely no comparison!

If I was still a practicing Catholic and my religion was responsible for these barbaric killings, you better believe I would drop that belief like a bad habit! There's nothing to justify a particular belief if their members engage in violence and killings. Just because you don't participate in the violence, you're still considered part of that religious organization. You can't blame people for not trusting people who identify themselves with the same belief and are responsible for these atrocities. ISIS supporters don't walk around with t-shirts with ISIS blazed across their chests! It's only human nature for people to be weary of those who follow Islam, it's called "guilt by association." Whether it's right or not, it's a social norm.

Like I said before in another post, you could be a member of the KKK, but just because you don't participate in the violence or killings, doesn't mean you don't believe in their ideology! An African American should be weary of a person who is a member of the KKK even though they come across as a nice guy. An organization whether it's religious or it represents a particular cause, follows a common belief system. That person represents that ideology, period. If you don't want to be associated with it, drop it!

Talking about calling the kettle black


Europe destroyed Africa and parts of Asia in the name of Christ and crass materialism


It’s called slavery and colonialism


Nothing in history has been as bad as that


Talk about Belgium


DO you people know King Leopold of Belgium worked 10 million black Congolese African to DEATH in the name of Christ and Greed?


All peoples have done evil in the name of religion, in-fact Christians if you want to add up the historical evils, has done ten times as much Islam and anybody else combined!


You can’t even count their victims


But to do such a thing is mindless.


But self-righteous people who want to cast stones need to be reminded from time to time to look at their own history before condemning others

Oppression based on religion and race is not the purvey of only Muslims

Ask Millions of DEAD Native Americans

Millions of African slaves


Millions of colonial oppressed people whose countries were robbed by ALL the major European Christian powers


And if we add up who will eventually be responsible for our destruction as a specious look no further than the creators of nuclear WMD’S were Judeo/Christians Europeans did that to combat another European who murdered 6 million Jews in the name of his religion Nazism

Ask yourself why all Asian and African countries save for Turkey and Japan had to fight for its freedom from European colonialism

Those were ALL Christians enslaving and destroying Non Christians

DON’T YOU EVER FORGET YOUR OWN HISTORY