Carson: Joseph built pyramids for grain storage.

a reply to: Loveaduck

One is a typo

He said it in a speech.... during his first campaign for POTUS, so not a typo.

Ben Carson also went after his mother, and tried to kill her with a hammer. He admits this himself in his book, and he stabbed a guy in the stomach with a hunting knife.

I haven't pushed Ben Carson as a candidate yet.... But some people seem to think that they can type responses that indicate that I have and get away with it.
Any candidate from either party that is currently in the running is picked to be there by TPTB. If you think any of them are going to facilitate any change with your best interests in mind.... well, that's just sad.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AudioOne

In other words, you have more issue with him not being a politician? I find that more of a valid criticism than simply being upset over his religion.
What does a lawyer know about trade and economics? I'd argue given the state of the economy they don't really know a whole lot, but they pretend like they're experts just the same.

No, that's not what I meant.
I have no problem electing a neurosurgeon. However, what I stated is that being a neurosurgeon is not directly impacted by his beliefs that the world is 6,000 years old and that Joseph built the pyramids as being a world leader would be. Just at look at world leaders that think the world is flat. Not a good thing. He could be the world's greatest chef and believe that the world is flat. Being a chef or a neurosurgeon is not affected by believing the world is flat or 6,000 years old, being a world leader is affected by believing the world is 6,000 years old, or that nothing happenned historically till the founding of America as he has stated elsewhere.

I have no problem with electing a Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or Pagan who still bases their world views on secular history, archaeology, and science. Which is a majority of believers.

I have no problem with someone going on their own peaceful fundamentalist spiritual trip believing in aliens, fairies, and hollow earth as long as they are not elected world leaders making decisions for all of us, unless they are elected to a strictly religious office, like the pope. They can be my doctor, my chef, my mechanic, but not the spokesperson who makes policy decisions.

I am deeply religious and spiritual, and because of that I know how easily people can self delude themselves with visions, even when real, which is why I do believe that a secular based system is the only way to protect against self deluded prophets burning everything down.

So a world leader like the POTUS should base their world view on a secular system that promotes the freedom of ALL religions while keeping the egotistical high and mightiness of ANY ONE religion in check. No one religion should be promoted in government.

Because of this, a POTUS may be any religion as long as they adhere to secular science as a ground, of say, agreeing that the earth is probably older than 4 billion years, the sun does not revolve around the earth etc...

It is the enormity of how different Carson's world view must be from the rest of science by believing the earth is 6,000 years old that is a problem. This is not just one small fact. It means he doesn't believe in geology, in history, in astronomy, in ice ages, etc...

Believing that Elvis didn't die is way less consequential than stating the earth is flat, only 6,000 years old, or is the center of the universe.

If Carson just believed in Christ but also believed that archaeology and genealogy are better indicators of historical truth, while the bible was metaphorical none literal truth seen through the lens of pre modern culture and people, I would have no issue with that front.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I smell fear from the progressive left

One old white criminal woman , and one old white socialist guy (at least hes honest and is in touch with his base)

The left doesnt have many options and the right does

watch as the left get rabid

The election is pretty much over. The GOP lost again. We don't have to get rabid. We just have to hope Sanders can overcome Hillary.

the fact that you are calling the election this early is a sign of ignorance and over inflated hubris, I look forward to your public acknowledgement that you were wrong should they lose

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I smell fear from the progressive left

One old white criminal woman , and one old white socialist guy (at least hes honest and is in touch with his base)

The left doesnt have many options and the right does

watch as the left get rabid

The election is pretty much over. The GOP lost again. We don't have to get rabid. We just have to hope Sanders can overcome Hillary.

the fact that you are calling the election this early is a sign of ignorance and over inflated hubris, I look forward to your public acknowledgement that you were wrong should they lose

It is early, but I'm still calling that Jeb will pull out a "miraculous" win for the WH.

But it's still sad that conservatives seem to have so much emotional attachment to fools.


This coming presidential election is going to be fun filled and entertaining if you can let the "we/them BS" go....

but please....Pyramids = grain storage

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I smell fear from the progressive left

One old white criminal woman , and one old white socialist guy (at least hes honest and is in touch with his base)

The left doesnt have many options and the right does

watch as the left get rabid

The election is pretty much over. The GOP lost again. We don't have to get rabid. We just have to hope Sanders can overcome Hillary.

the fact that you are calling the election this early is a sign of ignorance and over inflated hubris, I look forward to your public acknowledgement that you were wrong should they lose

Said, interestingly, by the member who was just postulating that finding Carson's apparent ignorance distasteful is a sign of fear of a political outcome. Yes, we know he was a neurosurgeon, but apparently he skipped history.

Physician, heal thyself.

Carson's comment is absurd by any measure we perceive absurdity by. If you don't see that, no one can help you.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

the fact that you are calling the election this early is a sign of ignorance and over inflated hubris,

I called it months ago when I created the thread saying Hillary will win the election. It's not ignorance or hubris. It's knowing what is going on throughout the process and talking with people that are part of the campaigns.

The GOP themselves know that Hillary, and even possibly Sanders, can beat Trump or Carson. The only hope they have is for Jeb, the establishment pic, to ride-out the primaries and then pull some slick maneuvering with the delegates. That is exactly what the GOP is preparing to do.

It will not matter whom is chosen in the primary. Expect the GOP to push Jeb down our throats and manipulate delegates. Even then, it might not get them the WH.

I look forward to your public acknowledgement that you were wrong should they lose

If I am wrong, I'll admit it. I have no ego to fluff or pride to protect.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You see what you want to see and hear what you choose too.

It is not absurd to have theories.

If it was then science would die.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Annee

I'm partial to the Stargate movie/tv franchise theories personally. Wormholes are scientifically possible, improbable...but still possible. Alien life is highly probable as well.

Me too. I am an ancient alien believer. I tend to believe the "power station" theory and that there was a catastropic event and an evacuation.

I believe later humans found the structures in ruins and set about repairing them to make them their own for their purpose.

Let's face it, those ancient rulers had massive egos, believed they were gods and erased any reference to those who came before them.

For them to take credit for design, purpose, and building the pyramids is not a stretch.

But, this is nothing I would ever publicly state.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Gryphon66

You see what you want to see and hear what you choose too.

It is not absurd to have theories.

If it was then science would die.

You're right for once, science does account for and correct human confirmation bias.

Theories are not based on wild supposition based on one's religious beliefs.

Nothing about Dr. Carson's ludicrous Pyramid fantasy is scientific.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Funny stuff there.

So are you ready to make the claim that no grain was ever stored in the pyramids???

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Gryphon66

Funny stuff there.

So are you ready to make the claim that no grain was ever stored in the pyramids???

Answer a question for me first. Do you agree with Dr. Carson that the Biblical patriarch Joseph was the individual who built the hundred or so Pyramids all over Egypt?

I think finding the truth is a little grainy.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
I think finding the truth is a little grainy.

Nope, it really isn't.

The writing is literally on the wall.

a reply to: deadeyedick

yes there was grain stored in the pyramids for the afterlife

The only grain found in pyramids is part of a burial ritual: To be fair, there have been a few odd remains of grain found in pyramids by archaeologists, but this is part of an Egyptian burial ritual known as the Osiris bed, as the Tour Egypt site explains:

"These are wooden trays in the form of the god, Osiris, which were planted with seeds of grain. They were expected to germinate once the tomb was sealed, and were symbolic of the continuation of life after death."

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes
Lets put another perspective on this. No one has thought about the actual implications of Carson believing this may be true. It may be indicative of a desire to diminish the accomplishments of a non-Judeo-Christian culture while artificially glorifying (through completely bogus claims) a Judeo-Christian one.

By taking the majesty of the pyramids away from the ancient Egyptians and giving them to Joseph, he's really trying to revise history and make Christians look better.

This ^^^^^

It's typical of Christians to superimpose their ideology where it doesn't belong, and take credit for all of humanity's wonderful accomplishments in the name of their god and personal belief system.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Gryphon66

Funny stuff there.

So are you ready to make the claim that no grain was ever stored in the pyramids???

Answer a question for me first. Do you agree with Dr. Carson that the Biblical patriarch Joseph was the individual who built the hundred or so Pyramids all over Egypt?

Not when you put it that way.

Was that claim even made by carson? no

I have listened to him pretty carefully and I have found nothing that can be proven either way.

the claim that carson has said the earth is only x amount of yrs old is a lie outright.

much of what he says gets twisted by others but when he is directly questioned he always gives a coherent answer.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Your entire argument continues to be:

X is true because there is no proof that X is false.

This type of argument is called a "negative proof" or "appeal to ignorance" and is a logical fallacy. If you use this type of argument about the pyramids and grain storage, the burden of proof is on you, the individual who proposes the existence, not on the skeptic who questions the existence.

a reply to: deadeyedick

“My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain,” Carson said in a 1998 commencement speech at Andrews University, unearthed by BuzzFeed. “Now all the archaeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big — when you stop and think about it, and I don’t think it’d just disappear over the course of time — to store that much grain.”

Washington Post

Are you sure you want to keep pursuing this particular line?

Oh my god ... I agree with Donald Trump!

Business Insider

Real-estate mogul Donald Trump has repeatedly mocked presidential rival Ben Carson since it was revealed that Carson believes an unusual theory about the Egyptian pyramids.

"I think it's a ridiculous situation. I mean he's talking about the pyramids were made for grain," Trump said of Carson during a Fox Business interview on Friday. "And if you look at the pyramids, they're solid."

So ... I guess Trump is a Liberal Leftist Racist too?

/ponders