Carson: Joseph built pyramids for grain storage.

a reply to: ketsuko

Do the Amish use a literal interpretation of the bible?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

(I am astounded that any of our friends on the Right are defending this ... absurdity.)

I know. I'm glad to hear your voice of reason here too because I'm just in shock from what I've been reading in this thread in opposition.

I'm so disappointed in some of the excuses I've read in here that I almost can't believe I'm talking to normal adults. I just want to wake up from the nightmare that is America today.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Gryphon66

(I am astounded that any of our friends on the Right are defending this ... absurdity.)

I know. I'm glad to hear your voice of reason here too because I'm just in shock from what I've been reading in this thread in opposition.

I'm so disappointed in some of the excuses I've read in here that I almost can't believe I'm talking to normal adults. I just want to wake up from the nightmare that is America today.

Imagine the difference if Carson were an atheist and said "there is no proof that Noah's Ark existed."

Or if he were Muslim and said "there is no god but Allah" (many not knowing of course that Allah is basically Arabic for God.)

I'm not even sure of what to argue here ... I have no basis to understand what's going on.

Trump is more qualified to be President. Heck, Bobby Jindal is more qualified.

At least they have actual executive experience.

I ... don't know.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: introvert

I didn't say he was correct or incorrect. I only pointed out that whatever his beliefs are, they did not stop him from being very successful, one of the best.

My argument was not to convince you of the correctness of his beliefs only to point out that they have no hindered him at being very, very good at what he does. And that most would consider what he does to be something that would be hindered by that particular belief set.

The issue for me is that being a neurosurgeon does not equate with being a POTUS. As a neurosurgeon he didn't deal with funding things like the sciences and Universities that teach evolution and a history that goes back further than 6,000 years. Nor did he have to make agreements with presidents and officials of other countries who are secular and may look down on what some would consider "backward" views. Nor did he deal with issues like abortion, religious freedom (including muslim and pagan, even satanist), infrastructure, statesmanship etc..

And maybe he would find a way to be a good POTUS with the right people behind him. People give the POTUS too much credit anyway when much more government machinery is involved. But the specefic skills of hand eye coordination, medical procedure, and biology that he has developed in his field are much more further removed from the social-political skills that would be required of him as president. His world view is much more relevant to statesmanship than it is to his ability to cleanly sever the right and left hemisphere of the brain.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Ya, I don't get it either but I will say it makes me fear what our future will be. Not from what will happen that we have no control over but the things that people will actually choose.

It's like watching people gleefully fight to get a better spot in the line that leads to getting kicked in the balls.

a reply to: AudioOne

Look at the state that the US is in. And that's because we always vote in lawyers.

If you don't like Carson, vote for someone else. It really is that easy.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AudioOne

Look at the state that the US is in. And that's because we always vote in lawyers.

If you don't like Carson, vote for someone else. It really is that easy.

I plan to.. next year..

Right now though I was taking part in this discussion.. does that bother you? There are places on this site where a discussion on Carson is not taking place. Perhaps you would prefer to go over there?

originally posted by: AudioOne

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AudioOne

Look at the state that the US is in. And that's because we always vote in lawyers.

If you don't like Carson, vote for someone else. It really is that easy.

I plan to.. next year..

Right now though I was taking part in this discussion.. does that bother you? There are places on this site where a discussion on Carson is not taking place. Perhaps you would prefer to go over there?

Nope. I'm good here. Thanks though.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Do the Amish use a literal interpretation of the bible?

In a lot of ways, yes.

My point in that is that some fundies aren't bad. It just depends on how the fundamentalism expresses itself.

a reply to: mOjOm

11 pages so this will probably be lost in the shuffle but I'm not sure why Ben Carsons theory matters here. He's not going to be teaching this theory to others, he's going to be running a country. There's a good deal of history that should be known by a person in power lest we fail to learn from our mistakes but having a theory on the Pyramids is not one of those things.

In a more broad context I'm still not sure how it's an issue, at some level going along with the popular theory is just submitting to an echo chamber of the majority and as humans a majority often holds the wrong opinion about any given subject. Just look at how much accepted history and science we've overturned in the past 100 years. If no one ever goes against the grain, no one will ever question what others are simply assuming to be true.

If experience is the motivator to vote for someone, then I wonder why McCain lost in 2008.

a reply to: Aazadan

The answers to those questions have been pointed out already in this thread. You'll just have to go back and read them I guess.

a reply to: AudioOne

In other words, you have more issue with him not being a politician? I find that more of a valid criticism than simply being upset over his religion.

Of course, we let politicians make decisions about all kinds of things they really have no expertise in or even a basic understanding of nearly every time they make a law. All they theoretically understand is law being mainly lawyers, but they make laws over a wide range of disciplines.

What does a lawyer know about science? What does a lawyer know about trade and economics? I'd argue given the state of the economy they don't really know a whole lot, but they pretend like they're experts just the same.

So, maybe it's time to put someone other than a lawyer in there.

I smell fear from the progressive left

One old white criminal woman , and one old white socialist guy (at least hes honest and is in touch with his base)

The left doesnt have many options and the right does

watch as the left get rabid

Grain storage.....ahhahhahhhahhhhahha good one

a reply to: Blazemore2000

Thanks for the link!

I have yet to hear a cogent argument against Mr. Carson's stance on any of the actual issues facing our nation today.... just a lot of gossip, basically, about his personal faith. Or about the fact that he has faith to begin with. The horror!

The Forbes article specifically casts aspersions because if elected he would be a poor reflection on the country.

Wait, what? A poorer reflection on the country than who, exactly?

SecState Clinton is certainly accomplished in many ways, but is a pathological liar who is quite certain rules and laws apply to other people... not herself.

Her husband, also a pathological liar, treated the Arkansas Governorship and his tenure as President as his own personal dating service. ... I am resisting the urge to throw in a comment about 'servicing your nation'...

President Obama is so far out of his depth on foreign policy as to be ridiculous, and that is PART OF THE JOB DESCRIPTION of POTUS!

To be fair to both sides of the aisle, Mr. Trump is also waaaayyy out of depth in any number of ways, and GW doesn't exactly speak the King's English, and also did not have a deep handle on foreign policy either.

But NOW all of a sudden we're worried about how personal beliefs will reflect on our country...?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Seeing as how this is clearly not limited to Ben Carson saying unconventional things, let's not forget Obama's "57 states" comment or Hillary Clinton's baffling "I landed under sniper fire."

Hillary embellished (or outright lied if you prefer to give her less credit) to make herself sound better.

Obama misspoke, it happens to everyone and when every word you say is being recorded getting your words mixed up is going to be out there for all to hear.

Ben Carson didn't misspeak, when given a chance to clarify or restate his position he said the same thing. That's what he believes. That said, like I said before I'm not sure why it matters.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I smell fear from the progressive left

One old white criminal woman , and one old white socialist guy (at least hes honest and is in touch with his base)

The left doesnt have many options and the right does

watch as the left get rabid

The election is pretty much over. The GOP lost again. We don't have to get rabid. We just have to hope Sanders can overcome Hillary.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Aazadan

The answers to those questions have been pointed out already in this thread. You'll just have to go back and read them I guess.

The answers I saw were that he simply has too many crazy beliefs. To which I would respond that if you've ever had conversations with random people on the street about exactly what they believe each and every one of them is going to come off as crazy, not just for what they believe but because they think their beliefs are 100% rational. It has been my experience that each and every person on the planet is as far out there as David Icke, just with their own unique brand of crazy.

Now, I'm not trying to defend Carson I don't think he would make a good leader, but at the same time attacking him over this just seems ridiculous. Do you know what it sounds like to me? It sounds like when people attacked JFK because he was a Catholic and would supposedly sell the country out to the Pope.

There's plenty of good things to attack Carson over like his poorly thought out policies. Going after his thoughts on the pyramids just reeks of an inability to argue over actual substance.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Sremmos80

Saves me money, whether it stems from God, Allah, or a mystical narwhal matter not to me... it was a fair plan 2,000 years ago and it's a fair plan today.

So you support Carson because he wants a 10% tax. If someone supports a 9% tax would you drop Carson for that person? What if Carson retaliates with a 5% tax? Would you go back to Carson? What if his opponent comes back with a 0% tax? How about a -1% tax?

Chasing the lowest tax rate is a race to the bottom that ignores a much broader issue. Note that this also applies to corporate tax rates.

a reply to: [post=19998015]mOjOm[/post

Just because Ben Carson has a medical degree does not mean he is all there. Just look at Greer from the UFO field. He seemed like a smart guy based on his credentials and then ran off the cliff.
Same with Carson, for him to make statements like that.