Carson: Joseph built pyramids for grain storage.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I smell fear from the progressive left

One old white criminal woman , and one old white socialist guy (at least hes honest and is in touch with his base)

The left doesnt have many options and the right does

watch as the left get rabid

The election is pretty much over. The GOP lost again. We don't have to get rabid. We just have to hope Sanders can overcome Hillary.

Sanders is Sexist; he engages in “old-fashioned tone policing and dog whistling about women’s shrillness."
He can't win.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I smell fear from the progressive left

One old white criminal woman , and one old white socialist guy (at least hes honest and is in touch with his base)

The left doesnt have many options and the right does

watch as the left get rabid

The election is pretty much over. The GOP lost again. We don't have to get rabid. We just have to hope Sanders can overcome Hillary.

Sanders is Sexist; he engages in “old-fashioned tone policing and dog whistling about women’s shrillness."
He can't win.

If true, then we have just elected the first woman president.

Even though Hillary is a horrible choice, the republicans still cannot win.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

Sanders is Sexist; he engages in “old-fashioned tone policing and dog whistling about women’s shrillness."
He can't win.

What???

Mind explaining that???

a reply to: Aazadan

I can't speak for everyone, but I think this is an issue because:

1. It's politics. People will even nitpick a potential leader's choice of condiments on their hamburger.

2. Some people want an intelligent "thinker" to lead them. Someone who believes something so bizarre raises questions about their ability to research and come to good conclusions on issues.

3. Many people are irrationally loyal to a candidate or political party, as if it were a cult. So they may use any opportunity they can to attack one of their preferred candidate's "rivals" or to attack a member of an "enemy" party.

4. There are some people who don't believe the Bible, TaNaKh, or Qur'an are real. They also don't think many or any of the stories in them are real. So they probably are even more repulsed when the potential President of the US says he believes in something like this.

I guess it would be like if Bernie Sanders came out & said he believed Zeus started the Big Bang because he was fighting Shiva in an epic battle over who would marry Isis. If that's someone's personal beliefs, so be it. But to acknowledge the question in public & then admit to that conclusion raises a few eyebrows.

(For the record, I'm pretty much in category 2. Though I have completely different reasons to dislike Carson, some of which my family is researching right now)

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: IAMTAT

Sanders is Sexist; he engages in “old-fashioned tone policing and dog whistling about women’s shrillness."
He can't win.

What???

Mind explaining that???

Ask Hillary to explain it. She said it.

How about this: to say that the Pyramids (that are about 99 percent solid rock) were built to store grain by a Biblical figure that lived, in best estimates, 600-1200 years after the Pyramids were built displays a disconnection from reality that is phenomenal. We DO KNOW that's not what the Pyramids were used for. It's not a matter that is in any way, shape form or fashion up for debate. In fact, there is absolutely no other way to describe it (and don't try religious belief because the Bible says NOTHING about Pyramids) other than an utterly STUPID remark made TWICE.

I want one person who is defending Carson to say here that you agree with his idea about the use of the Pyramids.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

2. Some people want an intelligent "thinker" to lead them. Someone who believes something so bizarre raises questions about their ability to research and come to good conclusions on issues.

YES!

I find it incredibly bizarre that some are defending this.

Oh sweet Jesus on his throne ... this is even worse than we thought:

Carson said in his 1998 talk at Andrews University, a Seventh-Day Adventist-affiliated university, “And when you look at the way that the pyramids were made, with many chambers that are hermetically sealed, they’d have to be that way for various reasons. And various of scientists [sic] have said, ‘Well, you know there were alien beings that came down and they have special knowledge and that’s how, you know, it doesn’t require an alien being when God is with you.’”

How could it be WORSE than we thought?

A rchaeologists To Ben Carson: Ancient Egyptians Wrote Down Why The Pyramids Were Built Forbes Magazine

... and even worse ...

According to Nathaniel Waggoner, a bagboy at the Los Angeles Four Seasons Hotel, Carson once told him, in lieu of the standard cash tip, that the pyramids were constructed with pointy tips in order to prevent blimps from landing on them.

Bagboy? Well, okay ...

Claim
On his official campaign website, Carson claims that he came up with the idea for a musical based on the story of Joseph and his coat of many colors during a surgical consultation with a patient named Jacob Brandman.

Fact?
Carson did apparently propose this idea to Mr. Brandman … in 1998, 30 years after Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat premiered. However, when pushed for comment on this issue, Carson responded that he was in fact aware of the existing musical production in 1998, but that “The Bible calls it a coat of many colors, but in those days the only colors were black and white, as you can see in old television footage. My belief is that the coat was black, white and brown – the first time anyone had ever seen brown. That story has yet to be told.”

I FOUND NO ADDITIONAL CITATIONS FOR THIS.

Verdict: fact

Oh my stars and garters ... I'm thinking the last is satire. It's got to be.

EDIT: Went to search quote. Satire. But you have to admit ...

Source - UK Guardian

This isn't really about Carson being Christian. (I've been talking to quite a few of my very devout Christian friends about this today) -- this is about Carson's judgement. Quite a few of my Christian friends used words like "cringeworthy" and said things like, "yeah....well..." when I talked with them.

Believing pyramids were used to store grain isn't some widely-held, make or break Christian doctrine that the majority of Christians hold anyway. So to those using this as a way to attack Christians -- just

What this says is that Carson, when faced with overwhelming evidence from experts (who spend their entire professional career studying just Egypt) say pyramids were not used for storing grain -- Carson rejects this and continues to believe whatever he wants because it feels right to him.

Apparently, It's OK to selectively reject parts of science, and label it conditionally as "the enemy" when it suits the GOP's agenda. The Republican party now is OK with tolerating any unfounded claim -- as science itself is now seen as "just an opinion".

Imagine if I told Mr. Carson that I sincerely believed that the heart did all the thinking and not the brain? Do you not think he would question my ability to exercise good judgement on other matters? If I told Mr. Carson that brain tumors were caused by staring at the sun to much, do you not think he'd try to correct my understanding?

Sure, people are entitled to their opinions -- but when objectively faced with overwhelming physical evidence to the contrary, a wise leader should reevaluate their position. We are entrusting a man with the most powerful office on Earth -- complete with keys to our entire nuclear arsenal.

The responsibility that comes with the presidency requires someone who has strong critical thinking and reasoning skills. We cannot afford to have a leader who will be looked down on or mocked by foreign leaders for ignoring such overwhelming physical, tangible, and scientific information.

If Carson would have just said that he's re-evaluated his past beliefs based on learning more, or that he's changed his mind -- that would be fine. Instead, however, Carson is doubling down on this. His supporters are flipping the script and pulling the victim card, making themselves out to be persecuted martyrs.

Any kind of questioning into a GOP candidate's judgement, conflicts of interest, or misdeeds is now being labeled as "gotcha" journalism and a liberal witch hunt. How soft of a touch do these politicians require? I certainly remember Clinton sitting for over 10 hours in a hearing not to long ago.

Look, this isn't and shouldn't be about where Mr. Carson thinks he goes when he dies -- and what/who he prays to. Anyone that is trying to co-pt this for some kind of anti-Christian agenda gets no respect or support from me. We're electing someone to the most powerful office on Earth, and I'd really like to make sure we elect someone who has critical thinking skills and solid reasoning rattling around in his head.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

How could it be WORSE than we thought?

This might be worse.

a reply to: mOjOm

Did he say "Decoration of Independence"?

For thousands of years nothing happened until the United States was founded.

I have to stop.

Still can't believe this guy has the mental capacity to become a neurosurgeon but dumb enough to believe things like this.

This calls for another George Carlin quote - "Somewhere out there is the world's worst doctor. The scariest part is that someone has an appointment with him tomorrow."

I honestly didn't think any Republican could be dumber than Sarah! Carson makes Sarah look like mensa material.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

True, we didn't talk much about grain in Bible school.

originally posted by: muse7
Still can't believe this guy has the mental capacity to become a neurosurgeon but dumb enough to believe things like this.

This calls for another George Carlin quote - "Somewhere out there is the world's worst doctor. The scariest part is that someone has an appointment with him tomorrow."

Somewhere in the US is the countries worst politician. The scariest part is that atleast half of the voters voted for them.

a reply to: muse7

Well ya see SDA have some similar beliefs as JWs, JWs was a shoot off of SDA, or was it the other way around?

Now CTR, had some interesting notions about the pyramids.

By calculating the dimensions of the pyramid you will know when the world ends, but it didn't happen, perhaps his calculations were off.

I read the book

a reply to: MystikMushroom

That was a great breakdown of this situation BTW!!!

originally posted by: mOjOm
This might be worse.

See, something like this is perfectly reasonable to criticize him over. In it he's outright advocating for Christianity to be the national religion and the worship of his God.

a reply to: Aazadan

Use your frontal lobes.