Carson: Joseph built pyramids for grain storage.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Considering that nobody else knows why the Pyramids were built, and for what they were used...what's wrong with someone having their own theory?

Do you know why the Pyramids were built?

God help me...YES...we know why the pyramids were built...ya know, they actually wrote about it...all those hieroglyphics a scrolls and such?

The time in history when a European would look at those confusing scribbles and hieroglyphics on the walls and say..."uh...hell I don't know...let's say Joseph built them to store grain"...are centuries over now.

But you don't have to be an Egyptologist or even read a grade school book about the Egyptian tombs though to understand how stupid Carson's claim is ...CUZ THE PYRAMIDS ARE NOT HOLLOW...The few rooms inside the great pyramid could not store enough grain to feed a small town for a season, let alone the world.

Not a mystery...




For effs sake...this another "Paul Revere warning the British that those Americans wouldn't be giving up their guns and stuff" moment...

Must every election test how stupid the GOP base will be willing to make themselves to defend the crazy of their candidates???

originally posted by: butcherguy
If a person thinks we have 57 states in the US, that doesn't prevent them from being the POTUS.

If President Obama and his supporters go on a campaign shouting that their are in fact 57 States!! I'd tend to agree with you.

The difference is that one person miss-spoke and laughingly admitted the error...The other is all fire and brimstone declaring it the God's truth!!!...with folks like you defending the insanity.

Now tell me how Paul Revere warned the British about the American Colonists and such...

a reply to: Indigo5

Exactly. People make mistakes and say the wrong thing when they're tired. Obama didn't go on to defend what he said, and neither did anyone else. Carson, on the other hand stands by his statements.

To continue to use the 57 state thing for so long...its silly, childish, juvenile and immature. It's no better than 5 year old children going, "neener neener neener!" on the playground.

a reply to: Scott Creighton

This is some unbelievable work you've done here!

What academic journal have you published in?

EDIT: Wait a minute, I just took a look at your website ... your theory doesn't have anything to do with the Templars and Freemasons, does it?

I'm going to be really disappointed if it does.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

As a nonpartisan, I personally don't see any significant difference in the irrationality of Carson and Obama. They both believe that God put a baby in Mary's uterus with magic. Since Obama believes that, like Carson, I imagine he also believes all kinds of irrational things that don't come out of his mouth on camera.

This difference is likely in the competence of their handlers.

I don't see this glimpse into Carson's mind changing any voter's opinion of him -- unless the media is set on using it to push an agenda against Carson. And if that is the case, I am not impressed.

Obama has serious character flaws, he has fabricated stories, and he is a Christian...it didn't bother democrats. Republicans won't give this story on Carson any serious thought. If democrats want to hold this up as an example of Carson's failings, I think they need to be prepared to do the same with candidates representing their own party.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Just for the sake of something resembling cohesion here ...

Are you stating that anyone with religious beliefs is mentally questionable?

(Let's forget for a moment that the Carson Pyramid theory is NOT a religious precept, concept, etc. ... )

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Just for the sake of something resembling cohesion here ...

Are you stating that anyone with religious beliefs is mentally questionable?

(Let's forget for a moment that the Carson Pyramid theory is NOT a religious precept, concept, etc. ... )

No. I am stating that anyone believing that God put a baby in a woman by magic has irrational beliefs. Personally, I think that belief is more implausible than Joseph appearing in a time he did not exist to put grain in the 10% of open space in the pyramids.

I'm also saying I think this is an ineffective angle, as well, because I doubt it will bother people who already support Carson. And even though I think it really should bother them, the fact that democrats have double standards will make it easier for Carson supporters to ignore it.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Okay, thanks for the clarification. I agree, both are equally ridiculous.

I agree with you as well, and there is prima facie evidence right here that nothing is going to stop the Carson faithful.

Reporting on this kind of thing first of all is just a matter of politics as usual, no matter how you cut it.

Second of all, I don't think this has that much to do with Democrats at all, so we differ there.

Third of all, I have great hopes that this doesn't deter any of the Republican believers from supporting Dr. Carson. In fact, I hope his popularity grows, and yes, I am aware that I should be careful what I wish for, LOL.

Thanks for your answer, Mother.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: MystikMushroom

As a nonpartisan, I personally don't see any significant difference in the irrationality of Carson and Obama. They both believe that God put a baby in Mary's uterus with magic.

You can't be elected President in this country without claiming to be a Christian.

As to the orthodoxy of Obama's beliefs I'm not sure we can be certain. It does seem clear his policy decisions aren't being affected.

Reagan claimed to be Presbyterian, George Senior Episcopalian, Clinton Baptist, George W. Methodist and Obama United Church of Christ--- all mainline Protestants.

There's a big difference between that and Seventh Day Adventist as far as I'm concerned though it's not politically correct to say so.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Mr. Obama doesn't base his tax policies on the concept of biblical tithing.

What I agree with is that we need a significantly changed taxation system. And the one that I've advocated is based on tithing, because I think God is a pretty fair guy. And he said, you know, if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you make.

(We will ignore that 1/10 of "what you make" depends on the value of "what you make" ... I don't want to pick nits.)

On the Issues: Ben Carson on Tax Reform

Back to the subject ... from the BBC

"If you go to St Mark's cathedral in Venice, there's a medieval depiction showing people using the three great pyramids of Giza as granaries in Joseph's story," says John Darnell, a professor of Egyptology at Yale University.
"If you didn't have access to the structures, the idea had some currency."

The belief was also popularised by Saint Gregory of Tours, a sixth century Frankish bishop, who wrote: "They are wide at the base and narrow at the top in order that the wheat might be cast into them through a tiny opening, and these granaries are to be seen to the present day."

The Book of John Mandeville, a popular 14th Century travel memoir, also referred to "Joseph's Granaries, which he had made to store the wheat for hard times".

But Darnell says the idea began to fall out of favour during the Renaissance, when people made more detailed studies of the pyramids.

"Now of course we know the pyramids were burial chambers - albeit just one element of far greater complexes. The architectural predecessors and descendants of pyramids, their internal passageways and the function of their spaces can be traced right through the period into the new Kingdom of Egypt," he says.

Let's restate one small thing here ... this is a medieval idea that was disproved as soon as folks actually, you know, discovered anything actually true about the Pyramids.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Sort of like the Sun moving around the Earth?

Any comments from Carson on that topic? I mean, since he goes with other medieval ideas.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Gryphon66

Sort of like the Sun moving around the Earth?

Any comments from Carson on that topic? I mean, since he goes with other medieval ideas.

Exactly.

I am honestly afraid to find out what the deep well of Dr. Carson's wisdom will reveal about astronomy.

I would expect him to stick up for the "four corners of the earth" though ... Ezekiel 7:2 and others.

originally posted by: DelMarvel
You can't be elected President in this country without claiming to be a Christian.

As to the orthodoxy of Obama's beliefs I'm not sure we can be certain. It does seem clear his policy decisions aren't being affected.

Obama's former church is part of the United Church of Christ which "acknowledges as its sole Head, Jesus Christ, Son of God and Savior." Link

If Obama espoused a religion he doesn't believe in to get votes..that just exposes a serious character flaw, IMO.

EDIT: And after I typed that, I realized that I do think Obama's policies reflect more of a serious character flaw than a theocratic belief.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Scott Creighton

This is some unbelievable work you've done here!

SC: Thanks. Appreciated.

Gryphon66: What academic journal have you published in?

SC: I am not an academic. I do my own research and publish my work on my ATS Forum here and have been doing so for many years now.

Gryphon66: EDIT: Wait a minute, I just took a look at your website ... your theory doesn't have anything to do with the Templars and Freemasons, does it?

I'm going to be really disappointed if it does.

SC: It doesn't.

SC

a reply to: Scott Creighton


Is there any reason why you don't publish in Academic journals, if your research is robust?

originally posted by: Scott Creighton

Gryphon66: EDIT: Wait a minute, I just took a look at your website ... your theory doesn't have anything to do with the Templars and Freemasons, does it?

I'm going to be really disappointed if it does.

SC: It doesn't.

SC

Thanks for your answers, Scott. I haven't read your book yet, although I will, but in your The Secret Chamber of Osiris: Lost Knowledge of the Sixteen Pyramids an online review states that you make this statement therein:

“It seems then that the Templar Cross depicting the eight-sided pyramid suggests that knowledge of the concavities of the Great Pyramid had been observed long ago and also that some significance was known to have been attributed to these curious features.”

That was the source of my question. If that's not correct, perhaps you should sue the owner of that website for libel.

Thanks again for your answer, and I'll be reading your book for myself!

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: DelMarvel
You can't be elected President in this country without claiming to be a Christian.

As to the orthodoxy of Obama's beliefs I'm not sure we can be certain. It does seem clear his policy decisions aren't being affected.

Obama's former church is part of the United Church of Christ which "acknowledges as its sole Head, Jesus Christ, Son of God and Savior." Link

If Obama espoused a religion he doesn't believe in to get votes..that just exposes a serious character flaw, IMO.

Of course, that's the official position of all mainline Protestant churches. However, you're going to find a very large percentage of members (especially in the UCC) with a very liberal theology who aren't interpreting the Bible literally or dogmatically.

Neither of us know what's really in the heart of Obama or any other president for that matter but I think a strong case could be made that most recent presidents weren't devoutly religious.

Or put it this way: Obama or Bush Senior, for examples, didn't make decisions about the Middle East based on Biblical prophecy. Can we say the same about Carson?

originally posted by: aorAki
a reply to: Scott Creighton


Is there any reason why you don't publish in Academic journals, if your research is robust?

Hi,

SC: My research is entirely evidence based. I claim these structures were originally conceived as 'seed/recovery vaults' (quite different from 'granaries') because massive amounts of seeds and storage vessels were actually found in them. I claim the few stone boxes that were found in some of these first pyramids were for Chthonic (rather than Pharonic) ritual because a Nebankh (a stone box filled with earth) is what was actually found (in G2). I claim that the first 16 pyramids came to represent the dismembered metaphorical 'body of Osiris' because that is what the AE's Pyramid Texts tell us. I claim these first pyramids (as the 'body of Osiris') were packed with grain (and other seeds/useful items) because we find small effigies of Osiris from later times known as 'Osiris Corn Mummies' which were packed with grain in religious veneration and remembrance of the original pyramids as the 'Body of Osiris' filled with grain. I claim these structures were conceived for such a function because there are some Arabic texts (translated from original Egyptian) which state this as the function of the pyramids.

The Egyptologists, on the other hand, tell us these were pharonic burial tombs and yet have never produced a single contemporary piece of evidence from these pyramids to back up that claim.

In short, I present hard, empirical evidence to support what I say. The Egyptologists would have you believe these pyramids were conceived as tombs based on evidence that exists largely in their imagination.

As for publishing in academic journals - I don't need to nor do I want to. I do my own research and draw my own conclusions from that research. I then write and publish my books and people are entirely free to accept or reject my conclusions. That's how it works. I have no burning desire to have my research 'accepted' by mainstream Egyptology or, indeed, mainstream anything.

I do my own thing and I am perfectly content with that.

SC

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Scott Creighton

Gryphon66: EDIT: Wait a minute, I just took a look at your website ... your theory doesn't have anything to do with the Templars and Freemasons, does it?

I'm going to be really disappointed if it does.

SC: It doesn't.

SC

Thanks for your answers, Scott. I haven't read your book yet, although I will, but in your The Secret Chamber of Osiris: Lost Knowledge of the Sixteen Pyramids an online review states that you make this statement therein:

“It seems then that the Templar Cross depicting the eight-sided pyramid suggests that knowledge of the concavities of the Great Pyramid had been observed long ago and also that some significance was known to have been attributed to these curious features.”

That was the source of my question. If that's not correct, perhaps you should sue the owner of that website for libel.

Thanks again for your answer, and I'll be reading your book for myself!

Hi Gryphon66,

SC: Thanks for that. I saw that review. I do not generally comment on reviews of my books but all I will say is that context is everything. A fleeting reference to a particular piece of Templar lore does not, in any way, influence the main drive of that particular book which concenrs itself in demonstrating, with evidence, that there exists another perfectly viable, reasonable and plausible cultural narrative to explain the relatively sudden emergence in ancient Egypt of the giant pyramids.

Regards,

SC