Muslim Invasion of Europe

originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: anxiouswens

Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."

So I guess that means roughly half of today's Europeans will study Islam, embrace it, then convert to it, right? Because that's the only way Islam's "taking over" Europe again (I say "again" because people tend to forget the Moors were the dominant power in Europe for several centuries).

If people here are so scared of Islam "taking over", why don't they be good examples of their beliefs & ideologies? Then people will look into their paths instead of Islam. But as it stands right now, the largest demographic of converts to Islam in many Western countries are white women (like this). Islam is the world's fastest religion because people are seeing past the fearmongering & learning the truth about it.

So maybe it's time that critics take a different approach? As an example, a few of my old friends from high school tried to softly convert me to Christianity. So I kindly replied with this: "How can you expect me to give up my book to follow your book, when you don't even follow your book?" Needless to say, they never tried again lol

I'm kinda hesitant to post stuff because it's pretty frank and since it's statistical or pretty real it makes misfuided sympathizers very emo and sets the trolls on outrage.
I'm late in on this thread, but islam is a very real and present existential catastrophe for all species of life on earth, not just the human ones.Now, in a hundred years, in a thousand years and on unless something practical and realistic is done.
I'm a half breed and moslums exterinate natives first wherever they go, most recently that I heard about is new guinea. Sadam exterminated the natives of the fertile crescent, which some think was maybe a candidate for the area at least of eden.
I'm not familiar with the rules enough to know how to express my thoughts and feelings about islam, moslums and the whole middle east, but they are on the 10 end of the scale for everything you can think of. [snipped]

But my sample one can start with a question I've pondered, "if "only 1%!!!" Of moslums are bad, how come anytime there are more than 1 or 2% in any population the trouble starts?"
Anyway, to that thought I have what are now OLD numbers, pretty dramatically affected by the jihad blowhorn hyping them all up and encouraging them to be their selves.
I mean to say the numbers ratio needed for their activity to start are now to be considered much lower in all levels of dominance. We are seeing that proved out now in europe.[snipped]
But for your consideration:

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

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By any measurable standard there is no answer for islam. All the arguments are strategic or at best "philosophical" and not in other species of any kind's best interest. There has not been a allegedly "good" moslum that has been capable of controlling islam and so the good ideas don't get heeded, even tho we are sure some of them truly feel that way.
the next ones are pretry black and white and get into anthropology and things more than just philosophical or emotion based and so as I said before, if it's maybe too sensitive for some people I can message it to someone if they want it.
I'll try to play it by ear and post

a reply to: curenado

LOL Fear fear fear! Lie lie lie! Don't forget to tell them we'll also drink your blood & ravage your women too!!1! (though the Qur'an forbids consuming blood & sex outside of marriage, but whatever)

(Facepalm) So you joined ATS just to copy & paste something from a hate site? Meh. Either way, welcome to ATS. I'm sure we'll see each other in threads like this from time to time. lol

a reply to: enlightenedservant

You are right about setting examples- I actually had a couple friends in high school that were shining examples of Christian behavior (as it theoretically aims) and they never tried to push it on anyone, and that gave me a very high opinion of the religion. Though that was destroyed later, in my adult years, with a multitude of experiences that opposed that.

I know that here in Europe, we do see a huge amount of females converting. Seeing white skin and some blond hair sneaking out of those veils is becoming more common place. My brother in laws wife has two daughters that are with muslim men and are converting.

Though the "good example" thing, as much as I would personally rely on that myself (if I was interested in joining a religion) would be applicable for me, it is not necessarily for others.

The young troubled third generations here from muslim immigrant grandparents are not great examples. They are often the ones that I used to have come into my store at night drunk, then the next day come in with their mother in a burka.
I knew the gangs they hung out with, and I knew they were not following the practices.

What we have here is the "bad boy" syndrome teenage girls go through. Whoever seems more powerful, is attractive. Those that seem to not be trapped into obeying society, seem to have a more powerful will. The girls at an age where they seek such breaking out and freedom- they feel they can learn how to do that from someone who has.
Rap is mostly done by arabs here, not blacks.

The perception that Islam is rising is a shared perception, and I hate to say this, but one of the things you can see throughout history is that females in a collective, when they perceive another collective is going to take over, will often convert and simply embrace the new power. Women who did that in WW2, with the Germans, were punished by their countrymen after the war.

I have had very good friends in Muslim women, and where I used to live, we would all get together some evenings (daughters, mothers, grandmothers,) bring food from our countries to share, play music and dance together. I have such good memories of that!
Between us, love, joy and humanity was more important than all these other conflicts about religion or nationality. That was mens focus.
They saw separation and are into opposition. We just recognized the mother in each other, no matter what the differences.


That makes them sound like terrible traitors, but from my point of view (being a woman) I find it understandable.
Women often are willing to do whatever it takes to protect their offspring from harm. If converting will increase their chances of survival, so be it. In the big picture, nations rise and fall, religions come and go, and individuals either are flexible and adapt to changes or they die out.

Evolution shows us that adaptability is the key.

My son considered converting when he was fifteen or so, I remember. Until he found out it entailed circumcision- I think that scared him too much.
But in his case too, it was that will to power. The arab gangs had been beating him up when young, and he'd seen them destroy our home and throw rocks at his parents, joining them seemed maybe a better chance at survival than beating them.

Countries like Germany or Sweden do not have much experience with cultural diversity, which is why they are ignorant of the dangers of it. They are like children playing with matches. On the other hand, countries in eastern Europe have been multicultural for centuries (gypsies..), and so their stance on the issue is much more rational and grounded in reality. There is a high chance muslims will not integrate because of their extreme conservatism, and if they do not integrate, then you have condemned many future generations to live with this issue. And it will not be pretty.

originally posted by: Bluesma


I know that here in Europe, we do see a huge amount of females converting. Seeing white skin and some blond hair sneaking out of those veils is becoming more common place. My brother in laws wife has two daughters that are with muslim men and are converting.

Yes it seems that it is the 'young' that are converting ..... with their

romantic, rose coloured views of life! Not really realistic. Living the

'romance' of the east with the backing of the progressed west to fall

back on when things go wrong! Its a bit like 'jealousy' when you're

young its 'because he loves you' .... when you get older 'he's controlling

you'


It is nothing new for religions to gain their converts through marriage,

It could have been me!.

My husband and self were under 21 yrs. and needed the consent of

parents to marry (it was a long long time ago...Lol!) he was Catholic

I was not. For his parents to agree I had to convert, me being strong

minded I refused to convert. However my husband to be, begged me

to go through with the conversion and promised he would not hold me

to it after the marriage.

It's not that bad yet. We've had muslim immigrants in the sixties and they kept to themselves. Only a few made it to positions of power. But no doubt there'll be muslim political parties in the future in several EU countries and that is when problems will begin to arise.

I have looked at the table you kindly posted. Rather than being reassured me it makes me more alarmed. Considering what is going on in Sweden, it is frightening to think that is just with a relatively small number of muslims per population. Same here in the UK imagine what it would be like if those numbers grew. And as for France well all I can say is God help France. No wonder there have been two atrocities in past 18 months as well as a failed attempt on the train in France just a few month ago. Obviously, presently they would be unable to conquer in such small numbers, but they can sure as hell create a lot of problems for the host County in just small numbers.www.christian.org.uk... reply to: ErrorErrorError

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It´s ones own fault if he lets himself get in touch with that religios bull#, which was only invented and is used to divide the people! It doesn´t care which one of those cults!
By now the fear of an supposed "muslimisation" of europe is spread by rightwingers, or christian crusaders maybe, or both together.
This drunken and low-minded few thousands here in westeurope that say that they are so afraid because of a "muslimisiation" of europe, what do they think how weak they are, their society is ?
They are not feared of a "muslimisation", they are just little nazis that couldn´t speak out loud for many years, for understandable reasons. And now they see a chance, at least they think so, to be on the right side, to do the right thing.
But if there are, for example, 20.000 of them in protesting in Dresden, screaming "Wir sind das Volk"(We are the people), who´s people are they?
We have around 82 millions of citizens in germany, and this 20.000 are "Das Volk"? LOL
If this is "Das Volk", well then, "Gute Nacht Deutschland"!
Right now there is a demonstratipon of rightwingers and rightwinger hooligans here in our city(we can take that in Cologne, it´s similiar to a day in the zoo, looking at animals and laughing about them, because these few nazis you can see right now are all drunk).
They couldn´t start with their rally and nazipropaganda, because they needed ten stewards that are not drunk and don´t have a criminal record. They couldn´t find some for hours. LOL
"Das Volk".... xD
Can´t stop laughing about this bunch of drunken early school leavers that thinks it is "Das Volk".
Btw, the most of them receive social welfare to buy their beer, that is a fact. Good germans...
Back to the so called muslimisation. I know many, many "muslims" that believe in "god" like "christians" here do, particularly not a little bit. Most of them saw a mosque from inside like "christians" their churches, several times in their whole life, maybe as a child or when a family member died. And all of them hate it to go there, or to pray to and believe in thin air, most of them are as rational people as most "christians" here are.
Normal people here don´t pray, not to tin gods and thin air, they have to manage their live, there is no time for cults and "gods".
So now tell me just one thing, how muslims should turn a socitey like ours in what, a muslim state, or what do you fear?
How should that work? We laugh about salafists as we laugh about people that run into churches and think god could heal homosexuality.
Religios people are a joke for rational thinking people, rational thinking people as the overwhelming majority of germans or west europeans are.
First they had to kick us all out, 82 millions of german taxpayers, to establish a muslim state with their own people that believe that religious bull#. That won´t work, i bet, to kick us all out of germany. And with all do i mean the ID-muslims, the ID-christians(because our ID is for most of us the only thing that remembers us that someone thought we all would be religious people...), the ID-jews, the ID-whatever cultists, blond and blue eyed germans as migrants, second- or third generation migrants(germans), all people that pay taxes here.
Who really believes that bull# of a fear of a "muslimisation"? If someone really is afraid of that, he can not be well educated, can´t be self thinking.
The little bunch of european nazis is using this term "muslimisation" to spread fear, they are as laughable like the aimless leftists that get teargas, water from canons and tonfas in their faces for creating a peacefull sit-in to disrupt the nazis from getting to their propaganda demo. Every time the same #, Nazis are escorted and leftists get their ass full, but the leftists seem not able to develope any tactics to reach their goals, so they can´t be that clever, too.
Especially not if the don´t mention that they are used, all of them, the cultists, the Nazis, the Leftists.
Everywhere somebody tells you what you have to think and to do, do people really need that? A Fuehrer, a Pope, whatever?
People have to wake up and unite instead of spreading fear and being divided in different parties against each other, parties like "muslims" and "christians", or right and left terrorists, unemployed and workers, or whatever the "rulers" use to divide us, to prevent us from blaming the real individuals for their crimes.
But they dont see the great game of chess that is played, they are programmed by the "rulers" media, divided and pumped full of hate on each other.
Are the refugges the cause for their own fleeing, or who really is guilty for destabilzing the near and middle east, who is using the stream of refugee to destabilize europe too?
People are to blind to see, blinded by the system, blind from hate on each other, can´t see what these refugees are used for, and used from who.
They are not only used by the US, they are used by the superrich to form their agenda, those refugees will be wage slaves from now on, since they arrived the "golden west", slaves as we are. They are used now by corporate groups. By "politicians" that want to cut social things down to others europeans countries standards. And as taxpayers for a society that dies out because of aging demographics and family structures became destroyed, so that we can work all the time.
They will have to do the jobs that german/europeans can`t do in the future, because they didn´t become born.
People just have to see, and anything would change, guilty people would be made responsible for their crimes!
But i am afraid that the majority of earthlings is too dumb to see!

I see you are in Germany where all is rosey! I would say the uneducated, brainless people are the ones who can't see further than the here and now and the trouble this is going to cause in the future when the infrastructure is falling apart and social cohesion is a thing of the past. Speak again in 18 months, see what your views are then!!a reply to: DerBeobachter

OH... here's an article saying that it's NOT true!

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Stop being so god damned paranoid...

Although what else are we going to find on an conspiracy theory website...

a reply to: anxiouswens

Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech is looking more and more like an accurate prophesy these days,unfortunately,that is exactly the way it will play out unless governments start to address these very real concerns now.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
Get out of the major cities and I'll bet you don't see a single muslim. We are safe here in the UK, but you do wonder about Europe to be fair.

I come from the birthplace of Peter Pan, essentially. And aside from the family who run the local paper shops who don't live in town I am not aware of any Muslims living round here...

originally posted by: masqua

originally posted by: vettex2
The Europeans will come to regret this"invasion".

And the South, Central and North American Indians have regretted the European Invasion for 500 years.

Kharma.

:p

Is this you admitting that the premise of this thread is correct, and that unchecked Muslim immigration will seriously damage (if not destroy) economies and quality of life throughout Europe?

Guess that's as close as we will get to an admision, so I'll take it. That you gleefully predict genocide and economic destuction is quite telling of your brand of morality.

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a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

Gleefully?

No... I don't believe the massive influx of immigrants is going to be a good thing for Europe. I never said that, nor do I believe that. It's going to hurt economically and will change lives.

Just like the European influx into the Americas had an effect on the First Nations who were living there, but maybe not as extreme in a current Europe... I don't see a system like murderous Spanish slaughtering Incas as a feasible result as some would today. Nor do I see a squad of Islamic 'Buffalo Soldiers' murdering European women and children.

My favoured brand of morality is that people get along. That a suitable morality for you?

a reply to: masqua
Chalking it up to karma coming back to get the evil Europeans and tacking on an emoticon seemed a bit flippant to me.

Glad you agree this disaster in the making should be avoided.

I see you live in Scotland! You are unlikely to have the problems that we have in England as out of the 20,000 refugees we are taking I have heard at best Scotland have said they will a 1,000. and this article says there are 60,000 muslims living in Scotland www.islamictartan.com... this article says the vast majority live in England en.wikipedia.org... ia reply to: djz3ro

originally posted by: masqua
a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

My favoured brand of morality is that people get along. That a suitable morality for you?

That is the best morality of all - live and let live.

The thing that worries me about Islam though is Sharia law. So many freedoms that we all enjoy now are not permitted under it. Beheadings, stonings and brutal beatings ensue for the simplest things like being gay, a girl getting pregnant out of wedlock or even simply not having a regulation length beard.

Saudi Arabia runs purely on Sharia law. Below is a very informative doco on Sharia law

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